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14 July 2015, 02:01 PM
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sure, and my point is the "respect" is in their willingness to "practise what they preach"
that's the crux of it
I am not suggesting JT respects the actual acts - but the philosophical/ religious motives behind them
but we can clear it up if he says he does not respect them for following "the word of God"
we do need to take into account the *dingdongler paradox" though
it cant be adjusted to mean "oh only their God, following the word on my god is TOTALLY different "
that's the crux of it
I am not suggesting JT respects the actual acts - but the philosophical/ religious motives behind them
but we can clear it up if he says he does not respect them for following "the word of God"
we do need to take into account the *dingdongler paradox" though
it cant be adjusted to mean "oh only their God, following the word on my god is TOTALLY different "
14 July 2015, 02:22 PM
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The question assumes that they are following the word of God. Now, as somebody that believes Jesus Christ is God incarnate (Muslims do not believe this) I do not accept the premise that they are following the "word of God". I think they think they're following the word of Allah as taught by Mohammad, a historical figure who I've rationally and logically concluded to be a false prophet. I understand Islam, but think Muslims have been deceived and I regularly pray for them.
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14 July 2015, 02:27 PM
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The question assumes that they are following the word of God. Now, as somebody that believes Jesus Christ is God incarnate (Muslims do not believe this) I do not accept the premise that they are following the "word of God". I think they think they're following the word of Allah as taught my Mohammad, a historical figure who I've rationally and logically concluded to be a false prophet. I understand Islam, but think Muslims have been deceived and I regularly pray for them.
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14 July 2015, 02:31 PM
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The question assumes that they are following the word of God. Now, as somebody that believes Jesus Christ is God incarnate (Muslims do not believe this) I do not accept the premise that they are following the "word of God". I think they think they're following the word of Allah as taught my Mohammad, a historical figure who I've rationally and logically concluded to be a false prophet. I understand Islam, but think Muslims have been deceived and I regularly pray for them.
14 July 2015, 02:34 PM
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Yep. Would you say that Jesus Christ was better than Satan? Who would you rather have babysit, a committed Christian or a theistic Satanist? I'm not a relativist you see, Hodgy, I subscribe to the notion of a moral absolute. If somebody says that I think my God's better than some other god I say yes! Of course! Otherwise I'd bend my knee to the latter!
14 July 2015, 02:40 PM
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And this word of God? It doesn't happen to be made up by some rather influential men 2000 years ago does it? I'm curious as to what mankind did before the year 0? All those poor bu99ers going to Hell (or wherever) because a "God" they didn't know existed, judged them for not forgiving all their "sins" even though they didn't know what sin was.
And since the arrival of "Jesus" man appears to have turned into MUCH more of a deranged psychopath - huge wars, mass genocides, the invention of weapons, torture and of course the nuclear bomb. If we were all "saved" we didn't exactly fulfil the legacy very well.
And since the arrival of "Jesus" man appears to have turned into MUCH more of a deranged psychopath - huge wars, mass genocides, the invention of weapons, torture and of course the nuclear bomb. If we were all "saved" we didn't exactly fulfil the legacy very well.
14 July 2015, 02:44 PM
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And this word of God? It doesn't happen to be made up by some rather influential men 2000 years ago does it? I'm curious as to what mankind did before the year 0? All those poor bu99ers going to Hell (or wherever) because a "God" they didn't know existed, judged them for not forgiving all their "sins" even though they didn't know what sin was.
And since the arrival of "Jesus" man appears to have turned into MUCH more of a deranged psychopath - huge wars, mass genocides, the invention of weapons, torture and of course the nuclear bomb. If we were all "saved" we didn't exactly fulfil the legacy very well.
And since the arrival of "Jesus" man appears to have turned into MUCH more of a deranged psychopath - huge wars, mass genocides, the invention of weapons, torture and of course the nuclear bomb. If we were all "saved" we didn't exactly fulfil the legacy very well.
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14 July 2015, 02:49 PM
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14 July 2015, 03:42 PM
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can we address the "end of days"
obviously try and use you own words if possible - rather than simply link to a section in the bible
but happy to have a link as well
can we address the "end of days"
obviously try and use you own words if possible - rather than simply link to a section in the bible
but happy to have a link as well
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14 July 2015, 04:16 PM
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Bloomin' 'eck! There are entire libraries dedicated to eschatology and on some of the major themes I'm undecided. I'm taking my lady to The Pickled Radish tonight for her birthday so may not respond today. We'll see.
14 July 2015, 04:35 PM
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undecided?, but what does the Lord/Jesus say - is there wriggle room on this then
seems quite important neigh fundamental to me
14 July 2015, 04:54 PM
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I think I'm an 'idealist' which, in addition to the above, sees Revelation as spiritual, allegorical and nonliteral. The reason I'm slightly hesitant is that in the same way an allegorical approach to Gen. 1-3 can lead to stumbling blocks, the same can be said for Revelation. For example the notion that the elect will be raised bodily to meet with Christ is for me symbolic, but actually to deny it literally may lead one to question the literal resurrection of Jesus in which I do believe.
It's such a massive discussion point I'd be grateful if you could break down the questions in to manageable chunks for me. Maybe we could start with the Tribulation or the Second Coming or the Antichrist.
14 July 2015, 05:16 PM
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14 July 2015, 07:53 PM
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I don't wish to trivialise the subject but it's akin to an episode of Red Dwarf I saw. It was the one where Kryten was about to be replaced by a superior android. Kryten's ploy to destroy the new android was to tell it that silicon heaven (the place where all defunct electrics go) didn't exist. This information was enough to cause the new android to self destruct. It couldn't cope with the notion that there was no silicon heaven. I suppose in some way people need the same reassurance for post death.
Is religious belief a mechanism to cope with the inevitable mortality of our existence?
Is religious belief a mechanism to cope with the inevitable mortality of our existence?
14 July 2015, 11:01 PM
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I don't wish to trivialise the subject but it's akin to an episode of Red Dwarf I saw. It was the one where Kryten was about to be replaced by a superior android. Kryten's ploy to destroy the new android was to tell it that silicon heaven (the place where all defunct electrics go) didn't exist. This information was enough to cause the new android to self destruct. It couldn't cope with the notion that there was no silicon heaven. I suppose in some way people need the same reassurance for post death.
Is religious belief a mechanism to cope with the inevitable mortality of our existence?
Is religious belief a mechanism to cope with the inevitable mortality of our existence?
15 July 2015, 02:25 AM
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Seriously.
None of us will be rising from anything, you die and get eaten or burned, so you're either **** or ashes. Simples.
All this promise of a life after death that is somehow better than life it's self, have people not noticed how it always contains the things you're not supposed to lust after, a bag of virgins and all the wine you can drink.
Been there done that, so does that make me an angle then.
None of us will be rising from anything, you die and get eaten or burned, so you're either **** or ashes. Simples.
All this promise of a life after death that is somehow better than life it's self, have people not noticed how it always contains the things you're not supposed to lust after, a bag of virgins and all the wine you can drink.
Been there done that, so does that make me an angle then.
15 July 2015, 06:04 AM
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Seriously.
None of us will be rising from anything, you die and get eaten or burned, so you're either **** or ashes. Simples.
All this promise of a life after death that is somehow better than life it's self, have people not noticed how it always contains the things you're not supposed to lust after, a bag of virgins and all the wine you can drink.
Been there done that, so does that make me an angle then.
None of us will be rising from anything, you die and get eaten or burned, so you're either **** or ashes. Simples.
All this promise of a life after death that is somehow better than life it's self, have people not noticed how it always contains the things you're not supposed to lust after, a bag of virgins and all the wine you can drink.
Been there done that, so does that make me an angle then.
15 July 2015, 06:24 AM
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Never knew that there's a category for obtuse angels. 
15 July 2015, 09:48 AM
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What he's trying to suggest is that I'm not particularly intelligent, which is one of the definitions, and I concede if intelligence is being measured by ones ability to quote philosophers and their musings, rather than actually possessing or coming up with any original or independent thoughts of your own.