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24 June 2015, 09:15 PM
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Yep the 'usual tactic' of sticking to the facts.
24 June 2015, 09:19 PM
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But many are not Libyan, just transiting through on their way to Italy, a bit like the French and Calais. Spain solved the problem just like the Aussie, hit them before they leave and they don't come anymore.
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24 June 2015, 11:56 PM
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What is this BS?
I'll put the same challenge out (the same one 'good old Alcazar' has so miserably failed at), please point to a post where I've actually said this?
It's fairly simple really, you boldly claim something, now back it up. You
won't of course because it doesn't exist.
I guess you'll have to again resort to reflection and insults instead?
I'll put the same challenge out (the same one 'good old Alcazar' has so miserably failed at), please point to a post where I've actually said this?
It's fairly simple really, you boldly claim something, now back it up. You
won't of course because it doesn't exist.
I guess you'll have to again resort to reflection and insults instead?
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25 June 2015, 12:29 AM
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There can't be many people that could refer to him as 'good Alcazar'
Especially as they use the same grammar and construct sentences in a spookily similar way.
And of course the fact that they both seem incapable of backing up any of their 'points' with any actual evidence
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25 June 2015, 09:12 AM
#67
I'd suggest you are an idiot...but most of us know that already.
Mate.
Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
Mate.
I argued that we didn't take our fair share of asylum seekers, I didn't mention immigrants, you did.
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
25 June 2015, 11:34 AM
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Stateless? No need to do anything then, imprison them until they admit where they came from, then deport.
Keep in mind: these people are CHOOSING statelessness, choosing to cross Europe to get to the UK, CHOOSING to act illegally.
Treat them as the criminals they are.
With the UK population having risen half a million in a year, with 185000 in the last three months, HOW MANY MORE CAN WE TAKE????
Keep in mind: these people are CHOOSING statelessness, choosing to cross Europe to get to the UK, CHOOSING to act illegally.
Treat them as the criminals they are.
With the UK population having risen half a million in a year, with 185000 in the last three months, HOW MANY MORE CAN WE TAKE????
25 June 2015, 01:30 PM
#72
I'd suggest you are an idiot...but most of us know that already. Mate.
Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
Mate.Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
The problem obviously needs to be dealt with at the source. Stop the people traffickers and those who facilitate the transportation of migrants en masse.
25 June 2015, 03:15 PM
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25 June 2015, 06:54 PM
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I'd suggest you are an idiot...but most of us know that already. Mate.
Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
Mate.Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
25 June 2015, 07:27 PM
#81
This would be my take on the subject. 
Asylum Support form the Government website
What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cardboard box and a plastic sheet to use in inclement weather.
Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a bus shelter, park bench, or under the railway arches.
You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.
It is likely we'll send you home to live in Iraq, Syria, Pakistan etc.
Cash support
You’ll not be able to collect money from a local post office each week. This won't help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries, but as you are fairly smelly anyway, this shouldn't really affect you.
The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situation Weekly payment
Married couple or couple in civil partnership £0.00
Jihadi aged 18 or over £0.00
Single person aged 18 or over £0.00
Aged 16 to 18 £0.00
Aged under 16 £0.00
If you’ve been refused asylum
You’ll be given:
A free plane ride back to your own country.
You won’t be given:
Another penny of UK taxpayers money.
No extra money for mothers and young children
You’ll get a grand total of zero to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child under 3. The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situation Extra payment per week
Pregnant mother £0.00
Baby under 1 year old £0.00
Child aged 1 to 3 £0.00
Maternity payment
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment but you'll get absolutely fcuck all. The country can't afford it.
If you’ve been refused asylum
P!ss off back to your own country. Simple.
Applying for the maternity grant
You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.
You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.
If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to the support team that dealt with your application for asylum support.
Probably a pointless exercise as you will be given nothing.
Healthcare
You won't get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, or see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You’ll also not get:
free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses
What you'll get
You can ask for somewhere to live, a cardboard box and a plastic sheet to use in inclement weather.
Housing
You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a bus shelter, park bench, or under the railway arches.
You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.
It is likely we'll send you home to live in Iraq, Syria, Pakistan etc.
Cash support
You’ll not be able to collect money from a local post office each week. This won't help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries, but as you are fairly smelly anyway, this shouldn't really affect you.
The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situation Weekly payment
Married couple or couple in civil partnership £0.00
Jihadi aged 18 or over £0.00
Single person aged 18 or over £0.00
Aged 16 to 18 £0.00
Aged under 16 £0.00
If you’ve been refused asylum
You’ll be given:
A free plane ride back to your own country.
You won’t be given:
Another penny of UK taxpayers money.
No extra money for mothers and young children
You’ll get a grand total of zero to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child under 3. The amount you get will depend on your situation.
Your situation Extra payment per week
Pregnant mother £0.00
Baby under 1 year old £0.00
Child aged 1 to 3 £0.00
Maternity payment
You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment but you'll get absolutely fcuck all. The country can't afford it.
If you’ve been refused asylum
P!ss off back to your own country. Simple.
Applying for the maternity grant
You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.
You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.
If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to the support team that dealt with your application for asylum support.
Probably a pointless exercise as you will be given nothing.
Healthcare
You won't get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, or see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You’ll also not get:
free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses
26 June 2015, 06:29 AM
#83
I think there is one very important fact being overlooked here. It's the **** our government has stirred and the bombs we have dropped on these peoples places of origin that is causing them to come to the UK and other European countries.
The phrase "chickens coming home to roost" springs to mind.
The phrase "chickens coming home to roost" springs to mind.
26 June 2015, 07:30 AM
#84
I'd suggest you are an idiot...but most of us know that already. Mate.
Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
Mate.Which part of the LAW of seeking asylum don't you get Martin?
"Anyone seeking asylum MUST do so in the FIRST country they come to after leaving the one from which they are seeking asylum."
So....unless they are seeking asylum from France, Holland or Ireland, or drop off an aeroplane like those two last week, they are breaking the law, making them NOT asylum seekers but illegals.
What we need is more people with the b@lls to point this out and less apologists like you. And a government with even a modicum of b@lls to implement it!
These economic migrants in France are breaking about five laws, yet no-one picks up on this because, "they might get shot at in their home country".
They are threatening and sometimes assaulting truckers. they break into trucks, they stop trucks on motorways and they trespass on motorways...and most of them probably entered France illegally.
Well boo hoo.........why don't they take the shorter, easier route and seek asylum in Saudi? No benefits there at all, that's why.
And when we speak of benefits, NEVER forget the cost to our National Health service, that service that all political parties put at the top of their agenda during the election and now seem to have forgotten. FREE health care, FREE dental care (I don't get that), free hospital care and free help with glasses, (I don't get that either, despite having paid enough over the years, my wife still paying and my two sons paying!
France is doing what it does best, putting France first. They COULD round them all up and deport them, but that would cost €€€€ and upset the bleeding heart liberals like Martin.
FAR easier to turn a blind eye and tacitly aid them in leaving France for the UK......
26 June 2015, 08:09 AM
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I think there is one very important fact being overlooked here. It's the **** our government has stirred and the bombs we have dropped on these peoples places of origin that is causing them to come to the UK and other European countries.
The phrase "chickens coming home to roost" springs to mind.
The phrase "chickens coming home to roost" springs to mind.
The trouble is people don't want to see us as being even a tiny part culpable in what is going on and we're way more than a tiny part culpable! But it's never out fault according to some is it?
26 June 2015, 08:53 AM
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The UK is a soft touch in comaprison to 99% of other places.
26 June 2015, 09:28 AM
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Whilst the UK/US are fairly responsible for screwing up quite large areas of the more dusty part of the world I do not think many illegals think "they caused this so I am going to go there" if they thought that then they would be sailing their assess to the US in huge numbers.
The UK is a soft touch in comaprison to 99% of other places.
The UK is a soft touch in comaprison to 99% of other places.