alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Mate, I SINCERELY hope you are going to go after the European media camera crews who have made up films about economic migrants trying to reach the UK.

After all you've done on here educating us about how few come and how they are asylum seekers and families, and how they don't WANT any benefits, this latest lie by the European media is outrageous.

I hope you can get them to stop lying to us.

Or on the other hand, you could wake up, smell the migrants and stop telling US lies?

The Trooper 1815

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ScoobyDoo555

Martin2005

It's been a pretty weird day that just got weirder!
I'm grateful for the infamy, but I'm slightly concerned about the state of your mind.

What on gods earth possessed you to post this idiotic rant?

Could you point to a specific 'lie' that I've told you (or anyone else for that matter)? I'd prefer it if you challenged me on facts rather than say I'm lying. Happy to debate any point you want, no point though if you think I'm lying!

PS I'm not your 'mate', I choose my mates carefully and you fall a very long way short.

If you are going to put words in my mouth then do me the favour of and least make them resemble something I've actually said.

hodgy0_2

Do you believe the primary motive of these people in wanting to come here is to claim benefits?

Martin2005

Can they even claim benefits if they're here illegally?

zip106

Perhaps they can't get Scoobynet in their country, so want to get closer to the action....

dpb

Jeez, just how many times have we been over this one before. LOL.


Actually, I'm lying, it's a brand new policy just brought in that once they set foot in blighty they're supplied with an NI number.

hodgy0_2

Well I would doubt it, but presumably the theory is they are immediately given a council house and a red carpet is laid out to the local benefits office

I am sure they have a myriad of reasons to come to the UK, historic reasons, language, opportunity, rule of law,

but child tax credits is prob not one of them

Much the same reasons I suspect Mexicans want to get into the U.S. - which is not known for its generous Benefits system



I am not saying it is not a problem - but the "benefits" line is simply lazy sloppy thinking

neil-h

Another random bizarre rant brought to you by Alcazar.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Asylum Support form the Government website

What you'll get

You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

Housing

You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

Cash support

You’ll be able to collect money from a local post office each week. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

The amount you get will depend on your situation.

Your situation Weekly payment

Married couple or couple in civil partnership £72.52
Lone parent aged 18 or over £43.94
Single person aged 18 or over £36.95
Aged 16 to 18 £39.80
Aged under 16 £52.96

If you’ve been refused asylum

You’ll be given:

somewhere to live
£35.39 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries

You won’t be given:

the payment card if you don’t take the offer of somewhere to live
any money

Extra money for mothers and young children

You’ll get extra money to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child under 3. The amount you get will depend on your situation.

Your situation Extra payment per week
Pregnant mother £3
Baby under 1 year old £5
Child aged 1 to 3 £3

Maternity payment

You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 weeks old.

If you’ve been refused asylum

You can apply for a one-off £250 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less or if you baby is under 6 weeks old.

Applying for the maternity grant

You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.

You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.

If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to the support team that dealt with your application for asylum support.

Healthcare

You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, eg to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.

You’ll also get:

free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses

dpb

Still , its better than being shot at !

The Dogs B******s

That's disgusting, I don't get that.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

yep look it up, it's more per single person than a couple of uk pensioners

dpb

Maybe when I retire.


Couple pensioners get less than 35 quid between them ?

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

take everything like rent etc into account and yes it is more by a long way it's not just £35 quid a week

dpb

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...hing-65st.html




Indeed , you'd never be able afford even couple take always daily on 35 quid !

dpb

How many pensioners rent though ?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

There's more all the time.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I see Martin is now denying ever having said that hardly anyone comes here compared with other EC states and that they aren't coming for the benefits.

Martin...mate , one of us is deluded...and it ain't me. The evidence is on TV.
And I've seen it in real life.

hodgy0_2

some one here illegally can claim "more per single person than a couple of uk pensioners"

Martin2005

Am I allowed to deny what I've never said? You used the word 'hardly any', I certainly never have.

I refer to the facts, what you you refer to, I have no idea


http://www.theguardian.com/world/dat...asylum-seekers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24636868
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum...European_Union


If you need anymore let me know

Martin2005

For someone here illegally?

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Did you read the post from F1?

And you did say it, you know you did. I challenge you to trawl back through your posts and find it, then deny.

Martin2005

Does F1's response refer to illegals?

I think you should be the one 'putting up or shutting up' given that you started this idiotic thread.

Hopefully you'll be back soon with an apology...

neil-h

Think you'll find the burden of proof tends to sit with the accuser.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I think a key question is what do these people do once they get to the UK? Disappear into the ether of the black economy or claim asylum? I don't know the answer as to the percentages doing either, anyone else any idea?

An0n0m0us

OK so if they all claim asylum they have to go through the application process which is not a short process as far as I know. I'd be interested to see the figures on what they are entitled to whilst their application is considered. Then we know just exactly what they are getting whilst they haven't been given asylum. If they get the above quoted figures whilst they wait for their application then yes that is a shocking state of affairs as they can all turn up claim asylum and be given the above before being granted asylum status.

hodgy0_2

surely the real question is

how come we are one of the richest nations on earth

and yet our weekly pension entitlement will not buy a round of drinks

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum/overview

1. Overview

You must apply for asylum if you want to stay in the UK as a refugee.
To be eligible you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you fear persecution.
Apply for a visa if you want to come to the UK for another reason (eg to work, study or remain with family). If you’re already in the UK and want to remain with family living here, apply for a family of a settled person visa.

You should apply when you arrive in the UK or as soon as you think it would be unsafe for you to return to your own country. Your application is more likely to be denied if you wait.
After you apply you’ll have a meeting with an immigration officer (known as a ‘screening’) and then an asylum interview with a caseworker.
You’ll usually get a decision on your application within 6 months.
You can get up to 2 years in prison or have to leave the UK if you give false information on your application.

Waiting for your decision

You’ll be told after your screening what you must do while you’re waiting for your asylum decision, eg report to a caseworker regularly (known as ‘reporting meetings’).
You must tell the authorities if your situation changes.
You won’t usually be allowed to work while your asylum claim is being considered.
Help you can get

You can get help with:

• getting legal representation for your asylum claim
• living in the UK while you wait for your decision

Children applying on their own
You can apply as a child on your own if you don’t have an adult relative who is also claiming asylum.

8. Help you can get
You can get help from asylum helplines run by charities.

They can help with:

explaining your asylum claim, eg getting a solicitor or lawyer to represent you
living in the UK while your claim is being considered, eg getting asylum support, housing problems, dealing with agencies or finding English language classes and schools
Legal advice
You can get legal advice to help your asylum claim.

Housing and money
You may also be able to get housing and money (‘asylum support’) to support you and your family. This will only start from the day of your screening if you qualify.