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27 April 2015, 12:27 PM
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Like what? What is the answer to fix the problem? To make their life so much better they want to stay put in their own country.
We're lucky. Yes, but seeing you acknowledge that, why aren't we all giving every penny you and I have to better their situation?
The uncomfortable truth is you don't want to, because you don't want to be put yourself into poverty, you can't be that self-righteous as you can still afford to use a device capable of internet access.
Any reasonable person wouldn't think highly of a government that puts foreign aid in higher priority to the people that elected it - picture it...a party's manifesto states it'll spend its NHS and social care budgets on foreign affairs...a clear vote winner for the masses!
We can't even sort out Famagusta which should be a easily resolvable issue. How the hell do you think we can sort out the majority of North African and Middle East continents?
This is the Superman problem....he cannot save everyone, its a cruel harsh fact. Go ahead, feel bad about it, freely accuse others of not appearing to care enough to make yourself feel better, but it won't ever change anything.
We're lucky. Yes, but seeing you acknowledge that, why aren't we all giving every penny you and I have to better their situation?
The uncomfortable truth is you don't want to, because you don't want to be put yourself into poverty, you can't be that self-righteous as you can still afford to use a device capable of internet access.
Any reasonable person wouldn't think highly of a government that puts foreign aid in higher priority to the people that elected it - picture it...a party's manifesto states it'll spend its NHS and social care budgets on foreign affairs...a clear vote winner for the masses! We can't even sort out Famagusta which should be a easily resolvable issue. How the hell do you think we can sort out the majority of North African and Middle East continents?
This is the Superman problem....he cannot save everyone, its a cruel harsh fact. Go ahead, feel bad about it, freely accuse others of not appearing to care enough to make yourself feel better, but it won't ever change anything.
It's a strange world where people get more emotional about fekin Jeremy Clarkson than they do about hundreds of people drowning whilst trying to escape their miserable existance
On what planet is spending 0.7% of GDP prioritising foreign aid above the needs of the people of the UK. That strikes me as a pretty flakey argument.
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27 April 2015, 12:29 PM
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Most foreign "aid" is squandered by those in power who are just taking the Government's bribe to stay on board. Genuine need would be met under UKIP's manifesto if you took the trouble to read it.
Let's start with Somalia. What would you suggest that isn't going to involve military intervention?
Re privileged, you are absolutely correct, which is why I would fight tooth and nail to keep it the way it is.
Let's start with Somalia. What would you suggest that isn't going to involve military intervention?
Re privileged, you are absolutely correct, which is why I would fight tooth and nail to keep it the way it is.
27 April 2015, 01:38 PM
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Interesting that you choose to attack my position by jumping to an extreme position
It's a strange world where people get more emotional about fekin Jeremy Clarkson than they do about hundreds of people drowning whilst trying to escape their miserable existance
On what planet is spending 0.7% of GDP prioriting foreign aid above the needs of the people of the UK. That strikes me as a pretty flakey argument.
It's a strange world where people get more emotional about fekin Jeremy Clarkson than they do about hundreds of people drowning whilst trying to escape their miserable existance
On what planet is spending 0.7% of GDP prioriting foreign aid above the needs of the people of the UK. That strikes me as a pretty flakey argument.
Attack me about posting opinions in a Clarkson thread, but note this, you are also wasting time posting stuff on here, so its a moot statement to make:..Regardless of our opinions posting them on scoobynet won't save migrants from drowning.
If you cared that much you'd be out there helping rather than expecting someone else to do it and wasting time on here moaning about snetters not wanting to get involved or showing enough empathy.
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27 April 2015, 05:01 PM
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UKIP quite correctly point out that most "overseas aid" is a sweetener and no more.
Where would you say our cash has done the most good? Argentina maybe? (£220 million over 20 years)
27 April 2015, 05:19 PM
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To make the world better, we first have to make the UK better. All of us ending up in the sea isn't going to help one bit is it?
UKIP quite correctly point out that most "overseas aid" is a sweetener and no more.
Where would you say our cash has done the most good? Argentina maybe? (£220 million over 20 years)
UKIP quite correctly point out that most "overseas aid" is a sweetener and no more.
Where would you say our cash has done the most good? Argentina maybe? (£220 million over 20 years)
The whole argument UKIP are using is just a 'fig leaf' for spending less though.
27 April 2015, 05:36 PM
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27 April 2015, 06:34 PM
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29 April 2015, 07:40 PM
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29 April 2015, 08:00 PM
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Getting desperate now is he not? ....before he's perhaps had some relevant points
I've just seen channel 4 debate in which Mr ukip of Leeds could only come up with immigrants as a reason for young women not being able to afford to rent a place
He got a less than courteous response
I've just seen channel 4 debate in which Mr ukip of Leeds could only come up with immigrants as a reason for young women not being able to afford to rent a place
He got a less than courteous response
29 April 2015, 09:53 PM
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This bloke is defies belief. Still I guess his 'dog wistles' are heard loud and clear by some weak minded souls.
Could be worse though; they could be ISIS terrorists infected with HIV
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29 April 2015, 10:30 PM
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Hey, at least you watched it and gave a considered response. Not everybody will agree with you that we should have open doors, that's all.
29 April 2015, 10:31 PM
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29 April 2015, 10:46 PM
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29 April 2015, 10:49 PM
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Re the letter above, just read it, the details make sense, as in why are the people so busy if the levels of home grown HIV are falling?
30 April 2015, 12:12 AM
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30 April 2015, 09:09 AM
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You said we'd reached a point where no more aid could be efficiently spent.
To repeat, that's YOUR statement, so I assume you have something to back up such a bold claim.
30 April 2015, 10:24 AM
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UKIP have made it perfectly clear their reasoning for cutting foreign aid and that is so it is invested in this country, mainly the NHS, that needs massive investment in it's public services. That in turn helps our own population, especially those in desperate need.
Whilst their are people in the UK suffering and unable to get the health care they need due to the cost of that care being too expensive for NHS trusts to pay for I couldn't give a flying **** about those overseas.
How about sort out looking after those in this country first such as the young children with terrible illness and disease who desperately need better funded health care whether it be medication or more/better machines to treat them and stop paying out vast sums of money overseas for it to go in the pockets of corrupt organisations?
When this country is sufficiently caring for it's own and there is no one suffering here in the UK then it is time to start helping those overseas.
30 April 2015, 10:30 AM
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Fascinating you are more bothered by helping foreigners than you are the people of the UK and to be honest i'm a bit sick of hearing it.
UKIP have made it perfectly clear their reasoning for cutting foreign aid and that is so it is invested in this country, mainly the NHS, that needs massive investment in it's public services. That in turn helps our own population, especially those in desperate need.
Whilst their are people in the UK suffering and unable to get the health care they need due to the cost of that care being too expensive for NHS trusts to pay for I couldn't give a flying **** about those overseas.
How about sort out looking after those in this country first such as the young children with terrible illness and disease who desperately need better funded health care whether it be medication or more/better machines to treat them and stop paying out vast sums of money overseas for it to go in the pockets of corrupt organisations?
When this country is sufficiently caring for it's own and there is no one suffering here in the UK then it is time to start helping those overseas.
UKIP have made it perfectly clear their reasoning for cutting foreign aid and that is so it is invested in this country, mainly the NHS, that needs massive investment in it's public services. That in turn helps our own population, especially those in desperate need.
Whilst their are people in the UK suffering and unable to get the health care they need due to the cost of that care being too expensive for NHS trusts to pay for I couldn't give a flying **** about those overseas.
How about sort out looking after those in this country first such as the young children with terrible illness and disease who desperately need better funded health care whether it be medication or more/better machines to treat them and stop paying out vast sums of money overseas for it to go in the pockets of corrupt organisations?
When this country is sufficiently caring for it's own and there is no one suffering here in the UK then it is time to start helping those overseas.
What is this nonsense about 'looking after our own first' we already do that, if we didn't then you'd have a decent point to make. Need I remind you that our international commitment to overseas aid is 0.7% of GDP - this hardly amounts to prioritising others over our own.
If this really mattered then you'd be arguing for some fairly chunky increases in taxation
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30 April 2015, 11:06 AM
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There is no amount of money that can be spend on the NHS. Your's is an argument for financial collapse.
What is this nonsense about 'looking after our own first' we already do that, if we didn't then you'd have a decent point to make. Need I remind you that our international commitment to overseas aid is 0.7% of GDP - this hardly amounts to prioritising others over our own.
If this really mattered then you'd be arguing for some fairly chunky increases in taxation
What is this nonsense about 'looking after our own first' we already do that, if we didn't then you'd have a decent point to make. Need I remind you that our international commitment to overseas aid is 0.7% of GDP - this hardly amounts to prioritising others over our own.
If this really mattered then you'd be arguing for some fairly chunky increases in taxation
It doesn't need increases in taxation, it needs to stop being wasted by being sent abroad.
It wasn't long ago it flared up how much was being sent to India from the UK in foreign aid, yet this is a country that spends vast amounts on a space programme and nuclear weapons programme. They shouldn't be getting a penny in foreign aid.
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30 April 2015, 11:31 AM
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Are you denying billions of £'s are sent abroad in foreign aid? I don't care what percentage it is of GDP, the fact is those billions could buy a hell of a lot of stuff for the NHS whether it be more surgeons, more beds, more expensive medication etc etc.
It doesn't need increases in taxation, it needs to stop being wasted by being sent abroad.
It wasn't long ago it flared up how much was being sent to India from the UK in foreign aid, yet this is a country that spends vast amounts on a space programme and nuclear weapons programme. They shouldn't be getting a penny in foreign aid.
It doesn't need increases in taxation, it needs to stop being wasted by being sent abroad.
It wasn't long ago it flared up how much was being sent to India from the UK in foreign aid, yet this is a country that spends vast amounts on a space programme and nuclear weapons programme. They shouldn't be getting a penny in foreign aid.
You're a clever chap why not think more deeply about that one?
30 April 2015, 01:43 PM
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Aside from that one small but important detail, you still seem glaringly oblivious to the fact that in pretty much any other circumstance, a person or organization planning to spend any money on something would try to check first whether it was going to be put to good use, not just hand over the cash and hope for the best. You on the other hand seem to think it's a better default position to have to spend a set amount indefinitely, no matter the end outcome, with the only small concession to financial common sense being that you might make a bit of effort to check afterwards that it hasn't all been wasted. Frankly, it beggars belief that any competent adult could think that way.
30 April 2015, 01:48 PM
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No I did not, What I actually said was that we'd run out of ways of trying to ensure that any of it was spent effectively.
Aside from that one small but important detail, you still seem glaringly oblivious to the fact that in pretty much any other circumstance, a person or organization planning to spend any money on something would try to check first whether it was going to be put to good use, not just hand over the cash and hope for the best. You on the other hand seem to think it's a better default position to have to spend a set amount indefinitely, no matter the end outcome, with the only small concession to financial common sense being that you might make a bit of effort to check afterwards that it hasn't all been wasted. Frankly, it beggars belief that any competent adult could think that way.
Aside from that one small but important detail, you still seem glaringly oblivious to the fact that in pretty much any other circumstance, a person or organization planning to spend any money on something would try to check first whether it was going to be put to good use, not just hand over the cash and hope for the best. You on the other hand seem to think it's a better default position to have to spend a set amount indefinitely, no matter the end outcome, with the only small concession to financial common sense being that you might make a bit of effort to check afterwards that it hasn't all been wasted. Frankly, it beggars belief that any competent adult could think that way.
And you are now blustering because you cannot possibly back up your claim
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