joz8968

iTrader: (13)

As in, "transportation"?

dpb

Well Nigel can at least count on a couple of voters judging by this thread

It's going to be embarrassing for him otherwise

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Yup. A nation founded on 'shipped undesirables to a remote island' doing the same is ironic and mildly amusing.

Petem95

Are you really that stupid? Having an immigration policy makes the party leader a racist who wants to kill immigrants? I doubt you even know what their immigration policy is. Some people are just completely brainwashed by left wing media. I bet the editor of the guardian is proud of puppets like you though.

Martin2005

I think he was referring to the type of people who tend to support UKIP

stilover

Thank you.

I guess being the Liberal you are, you don't do humour? Not very liberal, humour.

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Talking of which, did you watch, Banished?

Edmondo

Am I the only one who remembers the film about the peoples of Africa moving north and landing on the south coast of Europe and all the controversy it caused. It was kind of prophetic really...........I see all the foreign aid we have been sending to Africa has worked - bet no-one has been pocketing the money then eh?..............I am damn sure that if I lived in the conditions a lot of Africans have to live in I would risk my life for a better life.

Alan Jeffery

Whatever's going on out there fella, you can't blame UKIP.
Blame whatever God it is you pray to, for allowing such a stinking mess to occur, but don't blame those who would help to prevent the mess from spreading.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

No missed it, drat! Anything done by Jimmy McGovern is usually well worth a watch.

Martin2005

How exactly woukd UKIP help to prevent this 'mess from spreading'

stilover

As apposed to ignoring it like Labour, and your Liberal friends?

neil-h

By locking down the borders and using their 'Australian style immigration system' to only let in people with imaginary jobs.

Martin2005

I don't really have any liberal friends, shame really.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I had a vague recollection of it after reading your post, but certainly couldn't remember the title. Some googling later though:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0165382/

Alan Jeffery

UKIP would control our borders properly, rather than give the impression cultured by previous administrations that it's open house over here.

Martin2005

Oh so not really doing anything that might actually help then?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

So, what should we be doing to help?

Practically speaking, and not blowing our budget on sorting them out.

Alan Jeffery

If I was aware of a large group of strangers approaching my isolated house I'd lock the door before I started wondering what I could do to help them.

Please, furnish me with your suggestions for further discussion.

dpb

There's nothing more ukip could do to prevent people from getting in ~ unless you were prepared to actually use that shotgun

Alan Jeffery

We have a stout fence around the chicken coops. The admirably resourceful and likeable foxes stay outside. As long as that's the status quo, I have no reason to go around shooting foxes.

Edmondo

Thanks for that...........been doing my head in..........there, of course, is no similarities to whats going on today is there lol

Petem95

So what do you suggest we do regarding the crisis in the med Martin? Do we just welcome the immigrants and maybe send out ships to collect them and bring them into the Eu to be resettled here? Do you think that would encourage more to make the journey thus escalating the situation, and also encourage the most able and mobile to leave countries rather than staying to help them improve and develop?

We're in a very difficult position here. It's like Europe is like a boat full of people in a sea which is full of drowning people trying to climb aboard. If you dont let people start coming aboard they will drown, but there is a finite number you can let climb into the boat before itself sinks.

Martin2005

The refugee crisis is a symptom of decades of poor governance, famine, plague and war, all of which the west has done nothing.
UKIP's answer is to cut foreign aid; in other words do even less. This of course will result in even more people trying to escape their pitiful lives and find something better.

So the answer to this issue is to stop thinking of the refugee crisis as the problem, that is merely a symptom. If we really cared, and were really interested in this region then we'd get something substantive done.

It's worth remembering for a second how unbelievably privileged and lucky we are to live in this country.

Alan Jeffery

Most foreign "aid" is squandered by those in power who are just taking the Government's bribe to stay on board. Genuine need would be met under UKIP's manifesto if you took the trouble to read it.

Let's start with Somalia. What would you suggest that isn't going to involve military intervention?

Re privileged, you are absolutely correct, which is why I would fight tooth and nail to keep it the way it is.

dpb

We didn't need visas to enter Africa when we went into plunder their wealth

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

"We" gave the colonies back decades ago. How much longer do you think it'll remain a valid argument in any discussion on this subject to play the guilt card?

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Like what? What is the answer to fix the problem? To make their life so much better they want to stay put in their own country.

We're lucky. Yes, but seeing you acknowledge that, why aren't we all giving every penny you and I have to better their situation?

The uncomfortable truth is you don't want to, because you don't want to be put yourself into poverty, you can't be that self-righteous as you can still afford to use a device capable of internet access. Any reasonable person wouldn't think highly of a government that puts foreign aid in higher priority to the people that elected it - picture it...a party's manifesto states it'll spend its NHS and social care budgets on foreign affairs...a clear vote winner for the masses!

We can't even sort out Famagusta which should be a easily resolvable issue. How the hell do you think we can sort out the majority of North African and Middle East continents?

This is the Superman problem....he cannot save everyone, its a cruel harsh fact. Go ahead, feel bad about it, freely accuse others of not appearing to care enough to make yourself feel better, but it won't ever change anything.

Edmondo

Doesn't history show that Europe created the problems in the first place and really Europe should really help resolve them...........throwing money at these countries does not help cos its being pocketed by the leaders and their families so direct action like helping to build an infrastructure...creating jobs....helping with education etc

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

And you think their leaders will allow you build schools and infrastructure without any backhanders?