Turbohot

There certainly is a lot being said against the 28 year co-pilot. But why would he want to commit suicide, and in order to do so, why would he want to take down the rest of the people on the plane with him?? Also, why was there no sound for all the time inside the cockpit while the main pilot was trying his best to get the cockpit door unlocked??

Although the reports are that he could have been on a mission to commit suicide and deliberate mass murder, but can't it be that he had sudden heart failure or something? But in any case, why would he disable the locking system from inside which allows the outsider to unlock the door with a special code? I understand that that could be the reason why he's being suspected for suicide and mass murder, but where exactly is that disabling button? Can't it be that he fell on it while he was having a heart attack, and thus fully disabled the door unlocking from outside, unintentionally? Eight minute descending and no sound from inside the cockpit. Lot of noise from the outside pilot's efforts, and eventual screams from the passengers, but nothing at all from the cockpit. Sounds so puzzling. Can't come to any conclusion so soon whether it was definitely a suicide and mass murder attempt that succeeded.

I'm not being Sherlock Holmes or anything, but it really can't be believed just yet what actually went on. They are looking into allsorts of the co-pilot before they finalise that he did mean harm to self and others, but all headlines seem to be heading towards the 'deliberate suicide and killing others with intention' notion.

What if there was indeed a mechanical failure with that unlocking mechanism with the code, and the co-pilot had sudden seizure or a heart attack/failure? Any of that or else is possible at this moment in time. They haven't yet found the other Black Box with flight data, so we shall see.

hodgy0_2

Because the CVR has very sensitive microphones and the breathing of the co-pilot shows no sign of any medical alteration/problem

Examination of the breathing has left investigators with the conclusion the co-pilot was conscious and in control of the plane

daviee

Where do you stop with so called fail safe security, Nothing could have stoped what happened to that flight. A very sad incident RIP to all onboard. A irony is that security measures put in, doomed the flight.

Turbohot

Ok.

Thanks, Hodgy.

Let's see what more gets revealed about him.

lozgti1

Very confused by all this...

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I read a report that also said the plane's auto pilot was placed into a "decent" mode.

Airbuses have a various autopilot modes as well as manual modes which allow for cruise, take off and decent (these planes can land on autopilot). So to adjust this control whilst at cruising altitude would be a specific and a deliberately intentioned act

Turbohot

It was hardly a decent mode from any angle; looking at the location, timing and the aftermath.

Descend, not decent, basically.

Yes, I looked up after reading your post, and the articles are saying that the setting was made manually within a second, and within next nine seconds the aircraft started to descend. It is one more evidence to add, for a deliberate act, I agree.

Torquemada

You may mean 'descent'

Anyhoo, totally confirmed as deliberate from reports I was just watching. What an a-hole.

Cpt Jack Sparrow

iTrader: (14)

Reports that the altitude within autopilot wast changed from 38000ft to 100ft as a deliberate action.

Cpt Jack Sparrow

iTrader: (14)

The switch is a toggle switch on the center console between the two pilots seats.

If you watch the Airbus training videon (posted earlier) you will see it being operated.

Ooperbum

They have made a "significant find" at the co-pilot's flat. So it repoeted on the news. Such a shame, all those poor people.

Turbohot

Goes to show that acting a smart @rse doesn't always work for me.

Still, I'm closer to the correct word, although in other form hence not so defeated.

So sad that someone descended with their spirit so low that he took others down with him.

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

Not true had someone else been in the cockpit, it's unlikely this would have happened.

I believe he took some comfort from the notion that all those other people would die with him, like it facilitated the suicide that he may well have not been able to commit otherwise.

Cpt Jack Sparrow

iTrader: (14)

This is true, as the same crew flew the early flight from Dussledorf to Barcelona. So he had the oportunity on the way down, however this must have been stopped by the fact the Captain did not go to the loo.

Hense 2 in the cockpit stopped it happening the oportunity arose when one left..








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Turbohot

Oh.

Thanks, Captain.

Geezer

It would appear he had a history of depression and had recently split from his girlfriend.

What an awful thing to do, commit suicide and take 149 innocents with you.

hodgy0_2

yes - it makes it difficult to argue the case that suicide is not an intrinsically selfish act

RobJenks

It appears the co-pilot was mentally unstable and Lufthansa had failed to recognise this.
As the airline has a duty of care , a massive class action will no doubt be laid at Lufthansa - The action will run into billions, the lawyers will be circling like a shiver of sharks

Midlife......

iTrader: (2)

It appears that he had torn up sick notes, including on the day it happened. So sad

The Airline may not be responsible. The NHS was not responsible for Harold Shipman's acts....

Shaun

hodgy0_2

They? - as in Lufthansa

EDITED - I think it means he had torn them up and not presented them to the Airline

An0n0m0us

Apart from the families who have lost their loved ones it is also a terrible tragedy for the co-pilot's parents to know their Son basically murdered 149 innocent people and ruined all those families lives. It really is a shocking story.

Turbohot

[Turbohot=quote]Just a hearsay (which it 'literally' is) which I heard yesterday that the regular psychological fitness checks aren't comprehensive enough for these passenger airliners' pilots on duty. Someone in real life fleetingly spoke that yesterday.[/quote]

I've just read this>


Source: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...es-say-experts


In the wake of the crash in the French Alps, calls for a major overhaul of psychological screening procedures have multiplied.

“Following the details that have emerged regarding the tragic Germanwings incident, we are coordinating closely with colleagues at the European Aviation Safety Agency and have contacted all UK operators and asked them to review all relevant procedures,” Britain’s CAA said in a statement…But many experts doubt whether more frequent and intensive psychological testing would be completely effective. Professor Robert Bor, the author of Aviation Mental Health, advised the FAA on an incident in March 2012 in which the co-pilot of a JetBlue flight to Las Vegas had to lock the captain out of the cockpit because of his erratic behaviour.

“We concluded that nothing could have prevented that incident from happening,” Bor told the BBC, adding that even the most exhaustive psychometric testing could not predict how an individual would wake up feeling on a particular day, or prevent all cases in which someone is determined to abuse their position of power.

Hans-Werner Teichmüller, president of the Deutsche Fliegerarztverband, an association of German doctors who examine pilots and flight crew, said reports that Lubitz had a sicknote for the day of the flight were incomprehensible. “It’s utterly irresponsible that he flew even though he had a certificate saying he was unfit to fly.”

But he too said no amount of testing could ever be completely effective. “A pilot who intends to do something like this could be skilful enough to pass as a well-structured person, even if they were in danger of suicide,” he said. “Even with an examination process, you wouldn’t have 100% safety.”

AndyBaker

It's probably a good job the pilot didn't need a wiz over a populated area

AndyBaker

How beautifully put

Turbohot

I deleted that post by mistake.

I will quote Hodgy's post again, as I said something relevant to that.

Turbohot

Perhaps he was totally detached from his 'self', rather than totally absorbed in it?

Another 'male' who masked it all up, and ended it all with suicide. In this case, he took other 150 people with him as well.

Very tragic for all deceased; more so for the murdered ones because their minds didn't necessarily go to that place called 'nothing'.

tarmac terror

iTrader: (2)

Have heard in the commentary around this the post 9/11 security measures implemented to secure the cockpit with remotely operarted deadbolt kevlar doors and the like may now be removed.

The theory is that 10 years ago, no-one envisioned an aircraft being hijacked to be deliberatly flown into a densely populated area. As people are now more aware it is considered the passengers would make an attempt to intervene and overpower the hijacker.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Bugatti

The BBC seem to stoop lower and lower. The 10 o'clock news is discussing how much compo each passenger may be worth. Apparently a child is worth less than a earning adult.

Absolutely tasteless and totally unnecessary.

riiidaa

iTrader: (2)

More inclined to agree with daviee, I welcome the two in the cockpit rule but it basically comes down then to who in there takes who by surprise or is able to overpower the other. If someone is that determined to something so utterly horrific they'll think up a way.

I'd be wary of a knee-jerk reaction to slackening the cockpit door security because of this incident alone. At this stage although it's all pointing to depression / mental unbalance it would be a prospect extremists / terrorists would salivate over.

Changes to procedure and door systems should definitely be explored, remote unlocking / override etc. Distress mode activation from somewhere other than the cockpit perhaps.

silver-sub

http://news.aviation-safety.net/2013...pilot-suicide/

Found this interesting, not the first time pilot suicide has occurred with the first officer leaving the cockpit. Did they not learn from past tragedies?