Sadly another Airbus A320 Crash
26 March 2015, 02:10 AM
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So I have just read that one of the pilots was outside of the cockpit and trying to smash the door down to get back in.........doesn't sound like your average mechanical failure scenario.............
I hope it isn't something dark and horrible because that really would twist it into an even worse dimension..........just when I thought that wouldn't be possible after seeing all the scenes today on the news
I hope it isn't something dark and horrible because that really would twist it into an even worse dimension..........just when I thought that wouldn't be possible after seeing all the scenes today on the news
26 March 2015, 08:52 AM
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So I have just read that one of the pilots was outside of the cockpit and trying to smash the door down to get back in.........doesn't sound like your average mechanical failure scenario.............
I hope it isn't something dark and horrible because that really would twist it into an even worse dimension..........just when I thought that wouldn't be possible after seeing all the scenes today on the news
I hope it isn't something dark and horrible because that really would twist it into an even worse dimension..........just when I thought that wouldn't be possible after seeing all the scenes today on the news
26 March 2015, 09:48 AM
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The door can be opened from outside by the code (and I think not only the pilot is knowing it, but also the cabin crew). But the pilot inside has 30s. time to deny this by using the switch.
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interesting
26 March 2015, 11:38 AM
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Horrific.
Hope the reasons are found soon so that the relatives can make some sense of the event, although their tragic loss can never be recovered. May God give them strength.
Hope the reasons are found soon so that the relatives can make some sense of the event, although their tragic loss can never be recovered. May God give them strength.
26 March 2015, 11:54 AM
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So if the the cockpit door can be opened from the cabin side then it rules out anything medically happening to the lone pilot in the cockpit as a cause and he deliberately refused entry to the other pilot.
26 March 2015, 01:02 PM
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On Mar 26th 2015 Lufthansa reported the captain had 6000 flight hours of experience, the first officer 630 hours. Germanwings and Lufthansa stated, that in view of media reports they have no such information and do not participate in peculations.
On Mar 26th 2015 the States Attorney of Dusseldorf (Germany) reported, that according to preliminary results by French Authorities only one pilot was in the cockpit at the time of the crash.
On Mar 26th 2015 the States Attorney of Marseille (France) reported, the first officer was alone in the cockpit. The first officer was not talking, only normal breathing could be heard after the captain departed the cockpit. The captain was not able to get back into the cockpit. The first officer initiated a rapid descent, there was no reason to initiate the rapid descent, there was no reason to not communicate with air traffic control, there was no reason why the door wouldn't open. With the current information it can be said, that the breathing of the first officer is not consistent with someone suffering a heart attack or other health issue. Other than that there is absolute silence, screams are heard only in the last few moments. There were no words heard during the last 10 minutes of the flight. The attorney thinks the first officer intentionally did not open the door.
On Mar 26th 2015 Lufthansa reported the captain had 6000 flight hours of experience, the first officer 630 hours. Germanwings and Lufthansa stated, that in view of media reports they have no such information and do not participate in peculations.
On Mar 26th 2015 the States Attorney of Dusseldorf (Germany) reported, that according to preliminary results by French Authorities only one pilot was in the cockpit at the time of the crash.
On Mar 26th 2015 the States Attorney of Marseille (France) reported, the first officer was alone in the cockpit. The first officer was not talking, only normal breathing could be heard after the captain departed the cockpit. The captain was not able to get back into the cockpit. The first officer initiated a rapid descent, there was no reason to initiate the rapid descent, there was no reason to not communicate with air traffic control, there was no reason why the door wouldn't open. With the current information it can be said, that the breathing of the first officer is not consistent with someone suffering a heart attack or other health issue. Other than that there is absolute silence, screams are heard only in the last few moments. There were no words heard during the last 10 minutes of the flight. The attorney thinks the first officer intentionally did not open the door.
26 March 2015, 01:23 PM
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I really can't believe this isn't already compulsory. It just goes to show aviation regulation isn't as strict and all encompassing as we like to think it is.
So if the the cockpit door can be opened from the cabin side then it rules out anything medically happening to the lone pilot in the cockpit as a cause and he deliberately refused entry to the other pilot.
So if the the cockpit door can be opened from the cabin side then it rules out anything medically happening to the lone pilot in the cockpit as a cause and he deliberately refused entry to the other pilot.
26 March 2015, 02:12 PM
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The answers are probably on social media as per usual.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
26 March 2015, 02:24 PM
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26 March 2015, 02:34 PM
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The answers are probably on social media as per usual.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
26 March 2015, 03:34 PM
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joint press conference on Mar 26th 2015 Germanwings and Lufthansa stated they are shocked having to accept that according to cockpit voice recorder the first officer locked the captain out of the cockpit and deliberately steered the aircraft into terrain. Pilots undergo detailed assessment and psychological tests. The first officer started training in 2008, worked as a flight attendant, continued training after undergoing another assessment, passed all tests and started his pilot career as first officer on the A320 in 2013. The CEO of Lufthansa explained, that if after the extended code to enter the cockpit has been entered, the pilot in the cockpit receives a signal and has the ability to open the door or lock the door. If the pilot in the cockpit does not react at
all, the cockpit door opens upon entering the extended code after some time. If the pilot in the cockpit selects to lock the door, the door remains locked for 5 minutes. Within the entire Lufthansa group there is no standard operating procedure requiring another member of the (cabin) crew to enter the cockpit if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit. The captain was permitted to leave the cockpit in cruise flight, e.g. for a toilet break.
joint press conference on Mar 26th 2015 Germanwings and Lufthansa stated they are shocked having to accept that according to cockpit voice recorder the first officer locked the captain out of the cockpit and deliberately steered the aircraft into terrain. Pilots undergo detailed assessment and psychological tests. The first officer started training in 2008, worked as a flight attendant, continued training after undergoing another assessment, passed all tests and started his pilot career as first officer on the A320 in 2013. The CEO of Lufthansa explained, that if after the extended code to enter the cockpit has been entered, the pilot in the cockpit receives a signal and has the ability to open the door or lock the door. If the pilot in the cockpit does not react at
all, the cockpit door opens upon entering the extended code after some time. If the pilot in the cockpit selects to lock the door, the door remains locked for 5 minutes. Within the entire Lufthansa group there is no standard operating procedure requiring another member of the (cabin) crew to enter the cockpit if one of the pilots leaves the cockpit. The captain was permitted to leave the cockpit in cruise flight, e.g. for a toilet break.
26 March 2015, 03:44 PM
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26 March 2015, 05:15 PM
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That's what I read as well:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-10135713.html
Nothing to do with any mechanical failure in 320, then. Phew!
26 March 2015, 07:54 PM
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The answers are probably on social media as per usual.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
Depressed or religion are my guess.
I hate flying because I don't trust anyone, and we shouldn't be in the air anyway.
I have to fly for work sometimes, not something I entertain. If possible I drive, and rarely as a passenger for the same reasons.
He couldn't handle life without wrc stickers and crap advice
26 March 2015, 09:25 PM
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We were talking about this earlier and if the slight little cabin attendant has replaced the pilot, I don't think it would be a huge job to overpower her and do it anyway