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Old 22 January 2015, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bonesetter
There must be cameras pointing all over the place

Thing is, and not wanting to make this personal, you are completely closed to the possibility of something being not quite as the official story goes.

Don't you think governments have propaganda to think about to control their people?

Every g'ment has a Ministry of Propaganda - haven't you read 1984 or Brave New World?

You only have to look at who benefits, and look what has happened 'terror wise' since 9/11. There are literally hundreds of terror groups now springing up all over the place.

And then are there are all the 'anti-terror laws' (yours and mine persoanl freedoms) coming in...

Arguing small details of 'conspiracy theories' here could go on forever, but look at the bigger picture - it's right there in front of your eyes
we know the bigger picture - 1% own more wealth than the bottom 99%

there has been a revolving door between the heads of the US Federal Reserve and the leading US Banks,

The Secret Services will ALWAYS lobby for more power and control - that's what they do

the rich and powerful will always bend events to their advantage, getting richer and more powerful - that's what they do, that's the advantage of being rich and powerful

power and wealth tends to converge and consolidate - we know this - see my first point above

your not really telling me anything new

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Old 22 January 2015, 12:59 PM
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How about this then?

5 Huge Government Conspiracies Theories That Actually Happened

Old 22 January 2015, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bonesetter


Explosions were heard and seen and recorded on film coming from the base levels, not on the 80 whatever floors where some smallish fires were - and black smoke only remember so no-where near girder bending temps

At a few levels down the lights, air con, lifts etc were working fine

neither tower fell on top WTC7. Both free-fell on their own footprint

rocket science it is?
WTC7 was hit by the south tower as it fell. Where on earth do you get this rubbish about falling in their own footprint. I watched it live on the day, it was clear that it did not.
Old 22 January 2015, 02:03 PM
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falling on their own footprints is something I made up

To describe them pretty much collapsing on top of themselves, rather than falling sideways
Old 22 January 2015, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bonesetter
falling on their own footprints is something I made up

To describe them pretty much collapsing on top of themselves, rather than falling sideways
Both towers collapsed in consistent with how events actually unfolded. The pancaking of the floors (brought about by collapse from the top, not bottom) allowed them to fall 'relatively' striaght down, but the outer columns were free to peel away, hitting all the buildings (and not just WTC7) around the north and south towers.

If they had been brought down by explosives, the pancaking would not have occurred and we would have seen a totally different result (well, apart from them being very short )
Old 22 January 2015, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by gary77
i get what your saying , but it is strange that the fbi took all videos of the plane from local businesses and the only footage they have to show us is 5 frames
The plane flew over a major highway just before hitting, you would of thought there would be dozens off clips for this low flying bird from people's mobile phones all over the internet,............there is not one! Just witness reports only.
Old 22 January 2015, 02:45 PM
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^ zero footage whatsoever

Oh, sorry the FBI has loads from all the cameras. That's alright then
Old 22 January 2015, 02:49 PM
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Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo
Old 22 January 2015, 02:53 PM
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And Di's murder - oops, accident

All 73 cameras en route switched off

No conspiracy there either, move along now
Old 22 January 2015, 02:54 PM
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Yup more important things to worry about, like who's next to get evicted in big bro lol
Old 22 January 2015, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo
What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet?

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Old 22 January 2015, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Exactly the same as 7/7, London being the most CCTV captured capital on earth, they have one or two grainy images only. Stinks of poo poo
The CCTV is looking for pickpockets, not many of them at cruising altitude..
Old 22 January 2015, 04:00 PM
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also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone
Old 22 January 2015, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone
I know that and you know that, but these nutters manage to ignore these blatantly obvious holes in their arguments.
Old 22 January 2015, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
also without having to state the obvious (but you sometimes have to)

this is 2001 - before the smartphone
I stand corrected, Iv just googled it, camera phones were introduced to the public in early 2001 in japan first, then rolled out to the states in early 2002.
I must be getting old lol
Old 22 January 2015, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
I know that and you know that, but these nutters manage to ignore these blatantly obvious holes in their arguments.
Who asked you to join our convo, speak only when spoken too.............tard.
Old 22 January 2015, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Jeffery
The CCTV is looking for pickpockets, not many of them at cruising altitude..
7/7 not 9/11
Old 22 January 2015, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet?
Wake up, the CIA invented the word conspiracy theorists.
Those who believe mainstream stories(lies, not all are lies)are the ‘crazies’,conspiracy theorists are saner and reflect conventional wisdom.

The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination!

Although the CIA designed propaganda seems to be wearing off,as those who do not believe government accounts of such events as 9/11 7/7 JFK outnumber believers by more than two to one.

I am one of many millions all around the globe who doubt "some" official msm stories, and as you are probarly aware snet is hardly the holy grail of the internet.
Old 22 January 2015, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Who asked you to join our convo, speak only when spoken too.............tard.
You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?
Old 22 January 2015, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?
More to the point than nasty Martin,,,,this is hardly the matrix!
Now do us all a favour and foooooook off









































Old 22 January 2015, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
More to the point than nasty Martin,,,,this is hardly the matrix!
Now do us all a favour and foooooook off


No
Old 22 January 2015, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
No
Well said that man, stand your ground, this isn't primary school now.
Old 22 January 2015, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stipete75
Wake up, the CIA invented the word conspiracy theorists.
Those who believe mainstream stories(lies, not all are lies)are the ‘crazies’,conspiracy theorists are saner and reflect conventional wisdom.

The term was invented and put into wide circulation by the CIA to smear and defame people questioning the JFK assassination!

Although the CIA designed propaganda seems to be wearing off,as those who do not believe government accounts of such events as 9/11 7/7 JFK outnumber believers by more than two to one.

I am one of many millions all around the globe who doubt "some" official msm stories, and as you are probarly aware snet is hardly the holy grail of the internet.
It was a tongue in cheek post! I am awake, like you I like to ask questions that remain unanswered and accounts of events that just don't add up, except their directed at conspiracy theorist. I don't see why they should escape inquisition either!
Old 22 January 2015, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnut
I've said this before but it's called gathering evidence/information for a investigation, would you rather they just guessed at what happened and maybe asked a few people on Facebook.
That doesn't change the fact or the point I made. Which was that the only footage they can show us is 5 frames.

Understandy
Old 22 January 2015, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You very quickly turn nasty when your alternative reality is questioned don't you?
Hardly unique in that respect. If you hadn't quoted him I might have thought you were responding to someone else.
Old 22 January 2015, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gary77
That doesn't change the fact or the point I made. Which was that the only footage they can show us is 5 frames.

Understandy
do you know what the average frame rate and viewable range for, circa 1990's, CCTV technology

do you also know what the proximity or speed of the aircraft was when it did or didn't pass CCTV cameras
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Originally Posted by jonc
What also stinks of poo poo is if you know so much about the truth of all these atrocities, and considering that a few shadey groups of omnipotent people are able to pull off one of THE most complex and elaborate operation without leaving a trace of themselves and bumping off people in the know, why or how are you able to evade these very same people? Or is it simply because they haven't come across SN yet?
Or maybe it's because 'they' think no one would be mad enough to believe these conspiracies are real.
Old 22 January 2015, 07:12 PM
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Or simply Guns versus Fists/Sauce pans.......

Even if it did come to light that it was an inside job......would you want to have a go? I wouldn't. Just saying.
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I've just seen this else where and had to punt it out on here.


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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
do you know what the average frame rate and viewable range for, circa 1990's, CCTV technology
no but one camera managed to catch it . was it imposable for most cctv to film a plane in that year ?

do you also know what the proximity or speed of the aircraft was when it did or didn't pass CCTV cameras

if it did cross the viewing path of any cctv it would have been doing around 500mph i think and could of been any distance from it within reason and if it didnt pass cctv then well it doesnt matter how far away it was from the cctv it didnt pass or the speed it was doing while not passing cctv

HTH

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