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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:06 AM
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They wouldn't.
In that case they would have imprisoned them. Unless of course somewhere else suitable was offering to take them.
Imprisoned them for what?
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:17 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9970536.html

The offices of a newspaper that reprinted the Carlie Habdo cartoons has been firebombed now. Fortunately nobody killed or injured.

It's just going to go on and on.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:35 AM
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At the risk of stating what should be obvious, the Kouachi brothers were both second generation immigrants, and therefore French citizens. Where would the French authorities have deported them to?
Long term strategy needs to be prevention of radicalisation in the first place place.

Here, if this were a Hollywood movie, that would probably have started by dropping a bomb on Finsbury Park mosque in 1996.

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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:46 AM
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Imprisoned them for what?
One of them attended Jihadist training camp. That'll do.

I'm somewhat of a 'the end justifies the means' type. So on a personal level I wouldn't question the government's methods too much (or at all) if I felt the result was good. Then again, if I were in control of Government I would look into state-sponsored hit squads provided plausible deniability existed.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9970536.html The offices of a newspaper that reprinted the Carlie Habdo cartoons has been firebombed now. Fortunately nobody killed or injured. It's just going to go on and on.
I wonder what would happen in this world of social media if everyone shared these images?
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
Membership of the EU has nothing to do with the ECHR.
The ECHR is accepted by members of the Council of Europe.
Sigh! We've been here before and it does. Leaving the ECHR would undoubtedly mean being removed from the Council of Europe and to be a member of the EU you have to be a member of he Council of Europe. Ergo to leave the ECHR we must leave the EU despite what your beloved Tories tell you!
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 12:05 PM
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Sigh! We've been here before and it does. Leaving the ECHR would undoubtedly mean being removed from the Council of Europe and to be a member of the EU you have to be a member of he Council of Europe. Ergo to leave the ECHR we must leave the EU despite what your beloved Tories tell you!
But you were implying that leaving the EU is the solution. It is not.

A country that is a member of the Council of Europe is signed up to the ECHR, whether they are in the EU or not.

The UK can leave the EU and would still remain in the Council of Europe and therefore the ECHR.

They are linked, but not in the convenient way you'd like to suggest.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
But you were implying that leaving the EU is the solution. It is not.

A country that is a member of the Council of Europe is signed up to the ECHR, whether they are in the EU or not.

The UK can leave the EU and would still remain in the Council of Europe and therefore the ECHR.

They are linked, but not in the convenient way you'd like to suggest.
Is this too difficult for you? If the UK wants to leave the ECHR it will end up having to leave the EU. Fact! What is stopping May and Co. from leaving the ECHR is the fact they want to stay in the EU. We have discussed this before on here in detail!
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
One of them attended Jihadist training camp. That'll do.

I'm somewhat of a 'the end justifies the means' type. So on a personal level I wouldn't question the government's methods too much (or at all) if I felt the result was good. Then again, if I were in control of Government I would look into state-sponsored hit squads provided plausible deniability existed.
Fair enough; I admire your honesty!
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 03:13 PM
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Over a million marching in Paris terrorism will never prosper ....
Peace ...
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Is this too difficult for you? If the UK wants to leave the ECHR it will end up having to leave the EU. Fact! What is stopping May and Co. from leaving the ECHR is the fact they want to stay in the EU. We have discussed this before on here in detail!
Its a non-argument anyway, our judges just need to be more mindful of the exact wording of the human rights act and not to blindly follow the ECHR's judgements.

As it currently stands we do not need to follow the ECHR, just merely "take into account any....judgement...".
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 05:05 PM
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Well done, Anon.

http://www.theladbible.com/articles/...-charlie-hebdo
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Is this too difficult for you? If the UK wants to leave the ECHR it will end up having to leave the EU. Fact! What is stopping May and Co. from leaving the ECHR is the fact they want to stay in the EU. We have discussed this before on here in detail!
If you wish to score points then don't do it by putting words in my mouth.
YOU said that leaving the EU is the solution.
I have stated that membership of the EU has no bearing on our observation of the ECHR. We can leave the EU and will still be a member of the Council of Europe and therefore accepting of the ECHR.
At no point did I say the UK could opt out of the ECHR and remain in the EU.

Is this too difficult for you?
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 07:33 PM
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And so it begins. The fall out from the attack on Charlie Hebdo should be interesting to watch.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
If you wish to score points then don't do it by putting words in my mouth.
YOU said that leaving the EU is the solution.
I have stated that membership of the EU has no bearing on our observation of the ECHR. We can leave the EU and will still be a member of the Council of Europe and therefore accepting of the ECHR.
At no point did I say the UK could opt out of the ECHR and remain in the EU.

Is this too difficult for you?
I'm going to try one last time to get this through to you!

If the UK wants to leave the ECHR it will end up having to leave the EU. Fact!

Your favourite party do not want to leave the EU hence they can't leave the ECHR.

Nor can any other party that gets to power in the UK!

Which is why I said that leaving the EU is the answer.

You said at no point did you say the UK could opt out of the ECHR and remain in the EU. I agree and that is not what I was talking about so why the hell you mention it I have no idea.

Anyway it's really that simple. I am at a loss (genuinely) as to why even you cannot get this. It's nothing to do with scoring points. My personal opinion of you is so low I can't even be bothered to do that, but when you write erroneous nonsense in an attempt to appear clever at my expense I will pull you up on it.

Now go away and annoy someone else!

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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 09:51 PM
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Its a non-argument anyway, our judges just need to be more mindful of the exact wording of the human rights act and not to blindly follow the ECHR's judgements.

As it currently stands we do not need to follow the ECHR, just merely "take into account any....judgement...".
Something you think Ms May would have realised then.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by f1_fan
Something you think Ms May would have realised then.
Unless she's got an eye on the MEP gravy train.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Unless she's got an eye on the MEP gravy train.
So May didn't break the law because she wants to be an MEP? How about she didn't break the law because it's the law?
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 10:33 PM
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So May didn't break the law because she wants to be an MEP? How about she didn't break the law because it's the law?
I'm more cynical than you James.
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Old Jan 11, 2015 | 10:45 PM
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I'm more cynical than you James.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...hts-abu-qatada
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 08:56 AM
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Still getting stiffies over choir boys are ya
What do you mean by this, Shaid?
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
What do you mean by this, Shaid?
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:18 AM
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I think you ought to answer, Shaid.
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:20 AM
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I think you ought to answer, Shaid.
It was satire
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
It was satire
In what sense was it satirical?
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:26 AM
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In what sense was it satirical?
Dude you know your command of English is much better than mine.

But it was though innit?
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Shaid
Dude you know your command of English is much better than mine.

But it was though innit?
If I were to make 'satirical' comments about Mohammad's relationship with Aisha, how do you think they'd be received?
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
If I were to make 'satirical' comments about Mohammad's relationship with Aisha, how do you think they'd be received?
In poor taste however don't make it sound like you are the bullied party here. If you can't take then don't dish out
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:47 AM
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In poor taste however don't make it sound like you are the bullied party here. If you can't take then don't dish out
Agreed, which was rather the point of this morning's exercise.
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Old Jan 12, 2015 | 09:50 AM
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Agreed, which was rather the point of this morning's exercise.
Ah I see...

So are we still friends then

Or can I just confirm that you do not intent to hurt me with violence... Oh ffs! I'll get to the point! Do I need to go to town today to buy a cross and some garlic?
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