If I was living in Cardiff I wouldnt attend at the risk of getting my 4rse kicked....! (Brown skin and bearded ) If you expect all muslims to apologise for the actions of murderers then to me it means you are blaming all muslims..?

The way the media is going at the minute and the hatred it is planting in peoples minds (IMO) I feel much more safe sitting in my living room than attending a march where there would possibly be a chance of some **** having a go - getting abuse - feeling insecure. I sure as hell wouldnt let me family attend either for those exact reasons.

Yes I STRONGLY condemn the actions of these pr4ts as does any sane human being!!

Raf

 

Well the converse is where are all the people like those on this thread when Palestinians get murdered every week? Where are the world's Jews to condemn the Israeli administration?

Surely it's not hard to see that you are bound to be affected more by people of your own religion being persecuted by an internationally recognised state's administration in many ways because of their religion than by a few extremists attacking a magazine you have never heard of in the name of your religion only as your interpretation of that religion is about as far away from theirs as can be!

I don't think the two situations are remotely comparable, certainly less so than my IRA comparison as it happens!

 

I have to disagree. We should all be equally outraged, regardless of where we are from, or whatever faith we follow.

 

+1 This was Paris not the middle east Muslin religion is akin to cancer in Paris should have been benign not malignant as here it has inflicted 12 deaths. I have no hang up in religion each to their own BUT I have issues with a religion that thinks if you are not Muslim you are not worthy, I then take offence, so sorry, I am offended by the actions of this ****!NG SCUM.

 

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So every time any form of murder, genocide, terrorism or whatever happens we should all be protesting on the streets regardless of where we are from or what religion we are?

Being serious though I ask again where are all the Jews when the Israeli administration conduct their murdering in Palestine and more to the point why aren't people like you who are calling for the Muslims to rise up in condemnation about things like this not also calling for the world's Jews to do the same re. Palestine?

Do you genuinely think the average Muslim is less outraged than a Christian or a Hindu about what has happened in France?

 

So do you feel the same about Judaism? You are a gentile after all and you are not of the chosen ones.

 

Have to say,not seen a crazy gun wielding hostage taking Buddhist in the news.must have more chilled out attitude.definitely a very angry minority section out there

 

Excellent post Agree 100%!

 

You lot are doing a fine enough job with hatred being planted on your own without the media helping you, maybe if certain individuals stopped doing **** like this the world over things might relax a bit, why fuel the fire?

 

Exactly. And I think if it was widely condemned by everyone, and I mean everyone then it would make the situation a lot easier to handle.

Instead it's 'yeah but, no but'.

 

MY LOT are not doing anything (my point exactly). You are confusing me with brain dead / washed, irrational, murderers (terrorists?) world wide...!! Got F*K all to do with me fella.

Raf

 

I tell you what - You get the BBC / ITV / Sky News and any other channel you can think of to my house and I will condemn these acts to your hearts delight!

 

Oh and another point you all seem to be missing is when these acts occur the gunmen rarely stop and ask what nationality / religion of persons they are killing thus killing people of any race / religion that gets in there way (Muslim Copper in Paris / Jews / Christian / Athesists etc)..... So the way I see it, it is US against them (I dont mean muslims against the west...! I am talking about the people of the world against terrorists / murderers etc..)

Raf

 

That's the whole point I'm sorry to say.

 

Oh and on a side note if anyone is interested - I may have got myself a Sti 5 type-R :-)

 

Sorry, wasn't implying you directly, bad wording on my part I'm afraid.

I meant the hardcore Muslim maniacs who have been brainwashed and turned into these killing machines, these are the people who are not doing the rest of you guys any favours with the media.

 

Good post RAF

 

Exactly, us relatively sane people against murdering maniacs regardless of religion or race.

 

So i do wonder when there terrorists were holed up in their hostage situations did any top muslim religious guys try to go and offer their services to the police to try and explain to the terrorists that this wasnt what religion is about and to try and resolve the situations without more bloodshed ?

 

These people DONT listen to anyone rational - and by the time they hold hostages or about to commit the crime IMO its probably too late. They probably treat 'top muslim clerks' just as they would any joe public and given the chance probably hold them hostage aswell....!!

 

 

I feel the same about any religion that imposes its faith on anyone i.e. like me I follow no religion way too happy in life and smart for that.

I am, if anything a Humanist who has seen what religion does in places like the west of Scotland and Ireland between two religions, never throwing any more into the mix.

 

Lest not forget, that 4th, potentially very dangerous, bint is still at large!

 

This statement is pessimistic. I don't buy that.

It doesn't have to be left as a helpless situation. You say that the top muslim clerks may even become their victims if they raise their voice too much against these mentally deranged terrorists, don't you think that this fear factor need to be broken? Yes, there is a risk of taking their irrational bullet on your rational chest but why not, if it brings peace overall, clears Islam's name and stops generalisation on global level? If these terrorists have ***** to kill themselves as suicide bombers, then where are the ***** to sacrifice one for the truth, peace and harmony? Passion can be constructive, and passion for passion may help, if tooth for tooth, nail for nail is going on, anyway.

Yes, there is a common factor in both action and the reaction i.e. blood, but as long as the reactionaries have non-violent ways of raising their voice against these terrorists, it makes them uncommon with those animals. Actually, sorry about comparing them to the animals. That's an insult to the animals. My sincere apologies to the real animals as 'animals' animals.

Something has to be done, and it has to come from within the belief system they claim to come from.

By the way, if violent method is preferred against these mental patients, then if fatwa can be read against Salman Rashdie, then why can't it be read against these terrorists? And please, don't say that one has to be a real muslim to be fatwa-ed. Rashdie was hardly a 'real' muslim to real muslims, was he?

Personally, these terrorists need to heard first and then need powerful brain changing lectures by the top muslim clerks. I'm not ruling out punishment, that goes without me ruling it in. These terrorists need to be told that just because some non-muslims mock Allah by doodling his image doesn't devaluate 'God' a bit. God really doesn't give a damn, so why get worked up. And other things, of course.

 

And if one top muslim was to die trying to talk sense into terrorists at the scene of one of these incidents in order to try and effect a peaceful outcome in the name of their chosen religion - well there would be a true martyr imo and probably in most of the civillised worlds eyes

 

But Dunk, it is what you said and the reason you said it is as much to do with the way the media and the governments of the West are implanting those sort of thoughts in people's minds. Not criticising you as it's hard not to be affected by the rhetoric frankly!

 

I'm a top muslim.

Top of the top, best of the best, cream of the crop.

 

You know I deliberately refrained from using the word 'martyr' as it has been melodramatised to fekk on global level. But yeah, if the glamour attached to the word 'martyr' helps to become one, then one should consider becoming one nonetheless; in that context. Whatever works, really.