Well im certainly not suggesting anyone should deliberately place themselves in harm - any death is tragic imo

But a genuine question is do they try other options to defuse the situation other then guns ? Ie get someone from their own faith who is well respected to try and talk sense to them ? There are telephones,megaphones and all sorts of ways to communicate apart from standing directly in the line of fire

It seems obvious these radicals are never going to listen to anything non believers say at that point so surely it would make sense for some attempt to defuse the situation to be made by someone they at least ought to respect - if as were led to believe these people are weak minded and not very intelligent people who have been brainwashed surely its worth trying to let their own religion communicate with them and attempt to un brainwash them

 

I have many muslim clients.i have to say,pakistani and Bangladeshi people are so very much more fired up than other clients.please note,most of them are friends.very good friends.just completely different culture.had one pakistani friend (perhaps one of my best friends and a really good bloke) say to me,don't trust anyone.

 

Can Islam work hand in hand with the uk and western laws or are there conflicting issues.
For example, do the majority of Muslims in the uk actually value women less than what is expected in our society?

This isn't some trick question, i genuinely am not sure whether "modern" Muslims in the uk still hold old values. I know there are lots that disagree with people who draw cartoons of said images which goes against our freedoms that are set within our laws but is it exactly that, just a few silly things.

I ask because if we as a society can overcome any irrational hate that we may or may not have that is or isn't created by the media will we still be left with conflicts of interest within the law? Or to put it another way, are we always going to have these problems and is there even a CHANCE we can move on from all this?

 

No :-( different worlds

 

You'd be fine, Raf. I've got a bit of a beard on at the moment so we could go together.

 

So why wouldn't you make eye contact with someone who has the cross of ST George outside their home?

 

Were the publishers of this cartoon right to apologise or would this come under satirical free speech.

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.608811

 

LOL, so do most of the indigenous white population!

 

Could it be that the reason that there isvs muted response from the Jewish community to Israeli actions be because much of the Jewish community agrees with the actions of Israel? Therefore you are making my point for me

 

Orthodox Jews are vocally opposed to Zionism.

 

Let's try again

 

There is absolutely nothing unusual about what Israel does compared to any other state.

 

IMHO almost all Muslims take the issue of blasphemy and apostasy seriously even if they doesn't espouse violent action in retribution. In short, they make it their business what others say and do (other including non-Muslims); there is no private individual, and even thinking is a crime of sorts.

 

Well of course, if they didn't they wouldn't be Muslims. All the Christians I know take the issue of blasphemy and apostasy seriously!

 

But not to the extent of killing

 

Theres nowt like setting the world to right from behind the keyboard lol

Soapbox queens

 

I hope they don't watch family guy. The episode I watched the other night showed God in bed with a hot blonde .

 

I happen to think Family Guy is brilliant. It's about intent and attitude, isn't it? I personally wouldn't be offended by that, I'd just laugh it off. I guess blasphemy is delivered and received in degrees. I do struggle with people who use the Lord's name as an expletive, but I've never vocalised this - I just accept it as part of secular culture.

 

The issue is interpretation of the source texts. Jesus and Mohammad led very different lives and delivered very different messages.

 

Well they shouldn't take it so personally. If they 'really' believe in His being as above anything or anyone else in the world and beyond, and in the strength of His prophet's being, then they have nothing to worry about. It's their own core belief they need to work on, not on others' whatever.

 

But we are all human.black white yellow red.christian,muslim bhuddist,whatever.i like to think I hate no one and try to be as good to people as I can.i have never and will never understand the mindset of this minority who really cannot be doing this to defend a prophet

 

Verses like this might help you understand:

http://quran.com/47/4

 

Scary:-( but its just a book.... . Better lock my front door ;-)

 

It's very easy to quote something from the internet.

Some writers and speakers quote the Qur’anic verses out of context and try to blame Islam for promoting violence and terrorism. They take a “text” and use it outside its “context”.

It is just like someone searches through the Bible and picks the following words or sentences to prove that the Bible promotes violence:

“Take all the leader of these people, kill them.” (Numbers 25:7)

“Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.” (Numbers 31:17-18)

“Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” (Judges 21:11)

No fair-minded person will accept such “out of context” presentation of the Biblical verses. Yet we see many Christian evangelists and missionaries do exactly the same to the Qur’an without any hesitation.

 

My point wasn't to scare you, but to show you where Muslims differ in their interpretation of scripture. A modernist would say that the cartoonists weren't in 'a battle', a Salafist may claim the opposite, but be prepared to express that via debate and protest, a Jihadi on the other hand does, has and will continue to claim that all those not in the dar-al-Islam (House of Islam) are in the dar-al-harb (House of War) and therefor all non-Muslims are fair game.

There are the same interpretive issues within Christianity, but fortunately they aren't based around war, rather they refer to, in the most part, inner spiritual concerns. This is similar to the Sufi branch of Islam. I don't think you'll find many Sufi getting worked-up over cartoons.

 

You have, as ever, quoted from the Old Testament. Please try to understand the fundamental differences between it and the New Testament.

 

What are the differences between the two?

They both come under the heading 'Bible', don't they?

 

Back to basics:

It's about angry, misguided men mowing down a load of people for taking the **** out of their made up fairy stories.

Which is rather silly.

 

Old Testament New Testament, it's the same Bible. One provides the foundation and the foundation supports whatever rests on it. All three of the Abrahamic religions will have similar passages in their founding text.

 

It is a good show, and that scene was pretty good. However it made me think that some people might be offended. But offended to what end?
A) think I won't watch this show again
B) I may phone the bbc and complain
C) load up my AK47