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You reap what you sow. Some of these nut jobs in the Middle East are the same people we (the West) were lauding as freedom fighters and allies during the uprising. The same people we armed and aided financially.
I've said it before, create a vacuum of power and it will be filled. In the absence of a functioning system and law and order that vacuum will be filled by those we desire the least.
Nobody in the right mind can condone the atrocities perpetrated by these people. It is barbarism and anarchy of the highest order. This is what happens when law and order disintegrate and it becomes a case of join us or die.
It is said we in the West are three meals away from anarchy, the recent Black Friday sales gives an insight in to human behaviour when the most basic of instincts are unshackled. Fundementalism is a seed borne out situations that we see in the Middle East. There's no reasoning or bargaining with it's adherents.
There's an eerie silence over the role of the Saudis in this too. They (the Saudis) are allowing terrorism and actively supporting it, yet no condemnation from any corner in the West. Why the hypocrisy and double standards?
I've said it before, create a vacuum of power and it will be filled. In the absence of a functioning system and law and order that vacuum will be filled by those we desire the least.
Nobody in the right mind can condone the atrocities perpetrated by these people. It is barbarism and anarchy of the highest order. This is what happens when law and order disintegrate and it becomes a case of join us or die.
It is said we in the West are three meals away from anarchy, the recent Black Friday sales gives an insight in to human behaviour when the most basic of instincts are unshackled. Fundementalism is a seed borne out situations that we see in the Middle East. There's no reasoning or bargaining with it's adherents.
There's an eerie silence over the role of the Saudis in this too. They (the Saudis) are allowing terrorism and actively supporting it, yet no condemnation from any corner in the West. Why the hypocrisy and double standards?
The Saudis are a law unto themselves, the US need them for many reasons, most of all a military presence in the Middle East and so won't interfere with their backing of the Sunni uprising in Iraq which really leads to a whole two faced situation by both the US and the Saudis. Of course that situation benefits both sides economically/financially both in arms trade and oil prices although the later has declined rapidly recently despite the continual conflict in the Middle East.
The biggest mistake in Iraq was not having a valid replacement for Saddam Hussein and installing a Government that could cope with the split in Sunni/Shi'te politics. Sort of leads to point at the fact the only way to control them successfully was actually how Saddam did, fear and oppression.
That's a lesson the US need to learn but I don't believe they ever will.
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Seen your previous postings regarding Muslims, you obviously tar us all with the same brush hence my ****** reply to you. Whatever?? are you like 12 or something?
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But glad you acknowledge your "******" reply
No, I'm not 12 (not even close), however given the immaturity of your aforementioned ****** reply it seemed to be on an approriate level.
I suppose it would have been too much for you to simply state that thousands dead due to the actions of a number of crazy extremists all supposedly in the name of a religion was abhorrent.
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If by "us all" you mean those of whatever religion who at times appear overly touchy and seek to surrepticiously defend the indefencible, then yes, I do. The manner of certain replies to this thread and those like it is quite telling. If by "us all" you mean Muslims, then you are mistaken.
But glad you acknowledge your "******" reply
No, I'm not 12 (not even close), however given the immaturity of your aforementioned ****** reply it seemed to be on an approriate level.
I suppose it would have been too much for you to simply state that thousands dead due to the actions of a number of crazy extremists all supposedly in the name of a religion was abhorrent.
But glad you acknowledge your "******" reply
No, I'm not 12 (not even close), however given the immaturity of your aforementioned ****** reply it seemed to be on an approriate level.
I suppose it would have been too much for you to simply state that thousands dead due to the actions of a number of crazy extremists all supposedly in the name of a religion was abhorrent.
I for one take great pleasure in telling guilt by association types to foxtrot Oscar :-)
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Maz I agree with all of that and of course Bin Laden was the biggest of the lot when it came to CIA funding and training before stitching him up at the end of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.
The Saudis are a law unto themselves, the US need them for many reasons, most of all a military presence in the Middle East and so won't interfere with their backing of the Sunni uprising in Iraq which really leads to a whole two faced situation by both the US and the Saudis. Of course that situation benefits both sides economically/financially both in arms trade and oil prices although the later has declined rapidly recently despite the continual conflict in the Middle East.
The biggest mistake in Iraq was not having a valid replacement for Saddam Hussein and installing a Government that could cope with the split in Sunni/Shi'te politics. Sort of leads to point at the fact the only way to control them successfully was actually how Saddam did, fear and oppression.
That's a lesson the US need to learn but I don't believe they ever will.
The Saudis are a law unto themselves, the US need them for many reasons, most of all a military presence in the Middle East and so won't interfere with their backing of the Sunni uprising in Iraq which really leads to a whole two faced situation by both the US and the Saudis. Of course that situation benefits both sides economically/financially both in arms trade and oil prices although the later has declined rapidly recently despite the continual conflict in the Middle East.
The biggest mistake in Iraq was not having a valid replacement for Saddam Hussein and installing a Government that could cope with the split in Sunni/Shi'te politics. Sort of leads to point at the fact the only way to control them successfully was actually how Saddam did, fear and oppression.
That's a lesson the US need to learn but I don't believe they ever will.
The first biggest mistake of Iraq was for going in there in the first place.
The second biggest was for us to follow the Americans in there.
Iraq was a disgrace and nothing to be proud of. Nobody achieved anything other than making damn sure that we are now a definite terrorist target, give a load of youngsters in uniform ptsd, murder, rape and destroy a whole country all in the name of 'freedom'.
Now the people who messed up in the first place expect us non combating muslims to deal with the mess they created.
Gosh..... Whatever it is they are smoking I do hope gets banned.
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Hey disbeliever.... Guilt by association... You really think so? From now on I'll take the position that anyone german bloke not apologizing day and night about the ***** is a closet supporter.
I for one take great pleasure in telling guilt by association types to foxtrot Oscar :-)
I for one take great pleasure in telling guilt by association types to foxtrot Oscar :-)
Where have I said gulity by association of being a Muslim?
My reference was to those of any religion trying to surrepticiously defend the indefencible.
Are you doing that Shaid?
If so then feel free to foxtrot oscar yourself. If not, you need to get your head out of your paranoid **** and read what's actually being stated, not what your blinkered mind sees
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Where have I said gulity by association of being a Muslim?
My reference was to those of any religion trying to surrepticiously defend the indefencible.
Are you doing that Shaid?
If so then feel free to foxtrot oscar yourself. If not, you need to get your head out of your paranoid **** and read what's actually being stated, not what your blinkered mind sees
My reference was to those of any religion trying to surrepticiously defend the indefencible.
Are you doing that Shaid?
If so then feel free to foxtrot oscar yourself. If not, you need to get your head out of your paranoid **** and read what's actually being stated, not what your blinkered mind sees
I suppose it would have been too much for you to simply state that thousands dead due to the actions of a number of crazy extremists all supposedly in the name of a religion was abhorrent.
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If you consider me holding the view that the murder of thousands of innocents is more abhorrent than the treatment of a handful of terror suspects as bias, then yes, I am. If, however, you're jumping on the parnoid bandwagon that I'm simply anti Muslim then think again.
Neither is acceptable, of course and the old adage of innocent until proven guilty should always stand.
Neither is acceptable, of course and the old adage of innocent until proven guilty should always stand.
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Nut jobs on both sides if you ask me, I have no idea who the good guys are, seems to me like they're all bad guys, as for the torture of "suspects" I thought it has been very well documented in the past that it doesn't serve any real purpose as the "information" gained from it is pretty much worthless, people will say whatever they are told to say when your pulling their fingernails out with a pair of pliers.
Just some sick ******* on both sides, how on earth can a person think they are "doing good" when they're resorting to barbarism to "win" something that is so questionable on every single level ie a WAR that doesn't actually exist.
Just some sick ******* on both sides, how on earth can a person think they are "doing good" when they're resorting to barbarism to "win" something that is so questionable on every single level ie a WAR that doesn't actually exist.
Nut jobs on both sides if you ask me, I have no idea who the good guys are, seems to me like they're all bad guys, as for the torture of "suspects" I thought it has been very well documented in the past that it doesn't serve any real purpose as the "information" gained from it is pretty much worthless, people will say whatever they are told to say when your pulling their fingernails out with a pair of pliers.
Just some sick ******* on both sides, how on earth can a person think they are "doing good" when they're resorting to barbarism to "win" something that is so questionable on every single level ie a WAR that doesn't actually exist.
Just some sick ******* on both sides, how on earth can a person think they are "doing good" when they're resorting to barbarism to "win" something that is so questionable on every single level ie a WAR that doesn't actually exist.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/...rcing-torture/
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Torture isn't the most productive method of gaining intelligence. However it is good for the economy. Good old disaster capitalism.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/...rcing-torture/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/...rcing-torture/
Being part of a worldwide community that encourage speculation and hate towards power is getting no one no where. IMO people like you create similar amounts of fear in the world as the actual bad guys and the world would be some what less cloudy if people stopped adding to the pot.
Do you realise that you are part of the problem and not the solution?
Being part of a worldwide community that encourage speculation and hate towards power is getting no one no where. IMO people like you create similar amounts of fear in the world as the actual bad guys and the world would be some what less cloudy if people stopped adding to the pot.
Being part of a worldwide community that encourage speculation and hate towards power is getting no one no where. IMO people like you create similar amounts of fear in the world as the actual bad guys and the world would be some what less cloudy if people stopped adding to the pot.
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I just want Jesus to come back, kill the anti Christ and destroy the savage unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, Christians will recognise the truth and accept Jesus as a Muslim Prophet and Messenger of God. NOT his son and all that nonsense 
The religion of God will justly rule the World. There will be no more oppression or wars, and peace will prevail. Furthermore every human being will be financially well-off and no one will accept charity. Jesus will perform pilgrimage, marry, begets children, and die after living on Earth. His death will signal the beginning of the last days for humanity before the Day of Judgment.
And whilst all this is going on... YOU JTaylor will be my bitch
The religion of God will justly rule the World. There will be no more oppression or wars, and peace will prevail. Furthermore every human being will be financially well-off and no one will accept charity. Jesus will perform pilgrimage, marry, begets children, and die after living on Earth. His death will signal the beginning of the last days for humanity before the Day of Judgment.
And whilst all this is going on... YOU JTaylor will be my bitch
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You say that now but you've done more u turns than Clegg. Your view seems to change on a weekly basis. Religion hasn't worked out the demons in your head and it won't.
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Your issues stem way back before you made the decision to 'try' religion. I'd say your relationship with your father is a far more unresolved issue.
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I'm not 'trying' religion, I've become a Christian and will remain so until the day I pass away. I'll bump this vow periodically.
Odd thing to say, but yes there were lots of things left unsaid, he died when I was twenty six.
Odd thing to say, but yes there were lots of things left unsaid, he died when I was twenty six.
Not odd, have you tried counselling it does help. (My father passed away when I was twenty five).