Cameron - getting his excuses in early!
21 November 2014, 12:55 PM
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21 November 2014, 12:57 PM
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What makes me laugh is that your question six months ago would probably have been when are they going to get an Mop elected? Now that little scenario has come to pass we are down to finding something else to bash them with.
The question you should be asking is how fecking bad are the Tories and Labour that UKIP can easily win a seat considered a Tory stronghold despite the PM and party whips trying their hardest to prevent it and nearly win a seat considered to be a Labour stronghold without really trying.
That is how disillusioned people are with the current status quo and at last people all over the country are waking up to what lying cheating self serving gravy train riders the main parties have become! UKIP are listening to the people and like it or not many are liking what they hear!
Personally I am loving it. Roll on the GE!
21 November 2014, 01:18 PM
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Er.... bit of a strange question really as the answer is sort of obvious. Would you really have expected a different candidate to stand in those by elections?
What makes me laugh is that your question six months ago would probably have been when are they going to get an Mop elected? Now that little scenario has come to pass we are down to finding something else to bash them with.
The question you should be asking is how fecking bad are the Tories and Labour that UKIP can easily win a seat considered a Tory stronghold despite the PM and party whips trying their hardest to prevent it and nearly win a seat considered to be a Labour stronghold without really trying.
That is how disillusioned people are with the current status quo and at last people all over the country are waking up to what lying cheating self serving gravy train riders the main parties have become! UKIP are listening to the people and like it or not many are liking what they hear!
Personally I am loving it. Roll on the GE!
What makes me laugh is that your question six months ago would probably have been when are they going to get an Mop elected? Now that little scenario has come to pass we are down to finding something else to bash them with.
The question you should be asking is how fecking bad are the Tories and Labour that UKIP can easily win a seat considered a Tory stronghold despite the PM and party whips trying their hardest to prevent it and nearly win a seat considered to be a Labour stronghold without really trying.
That is how disillusioned people are with the current status quo and at last people all over the country are waking up to what lying cheating self serving gravy train riders the main parties have become! UKIP are listening to the people and like it or not many are liking what they hear!
Personally I am loving it. Roll on the GE!
How many of the people voting for the defectors have voted simply because they like that MP and what he/she has done for their area up to now?
Not everybody voting for them is a disillusioned ex-Tory voter and I think that should be considered when talking about this.
THAT is why asking when they will get one of their own home grown guys elected is particularly relevant.
21 November 2014, 01:20 PM
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Er.... bit of a strange question really as the answer is sort of obvious. Would you really have expected a different candidate to stand in those by elections?*1
What makes me laugh is that your question six months ago would probably have been when are they going to get an Mop elected?*2 Now that little scenario has come to pass we are down to finding something else to bash them with.
The question you should be asking is how fecking bad are the Tories and Labour that UKIP can easily win a seat considered a Tory stronghold despite the PM and party whips trying their hardest to prevent it and nearly win a seat considered to be a Labour stronghold without really trying.
That is how disillusioned people are with the current status quo and at last people all over the country are waking up to what lying cheating self serving gravy train riders the main parties have become! UKIP are listening to the people and like it or not many are liking what they hear!*3
Personally I am loving it. Roll on the GE!
What makes me laugh is that your question six months ago would probably have been when are they going to get an Mop elected?*2 Now that little scenario has come to pass we are down to finding something else to bash them with.
The question you should be asking is how fecking bad are the Tories and Labour that UKIP can easily win a seat considered a Tory stronghold despite the PM and party whips trying their hardest to prevent it and nearly win a seat considered to be a Labour stronghold without really trying.
That is how disillusioned people are with the current status quo and at last people all over the country are waking up to what lying cheating self serving gravy train riders the main parties have become! UKIP are listening to the people and like it or not many are liking what they hear!*3
Personally I am loving it. Roll on the GE!
1- You've misunderstood my point, how many of the people that voted for Reckless were voting for the man and how many voted for the party? The fact is that constituancy has relected the same man just under a different party. The true statement of UKIPs popularity will be seen if/when they manage to get a 'new' MP in, i.e. someone who is core UKIP rather than a previously elected defector.
2- Not at all, regardless of what you may wish to think I have no particular political allegiance. I have a feeling the last political debate I had actually centred around UKIPs EU policy and whether it was a good or bad thing.
3- This just smacks of naivety. UKIP as a party have no real track record, however politicians have a career group have a propensity towards lying/self servance etc. So if i was going to take a punt on how a UKIP government will turn out, I'd go down the road of being self serving liars. Yes Farage and his PR team know how to play a crowd but that's all they are doing. I've seen no reason as of yet to belive they'd be anymore honest/noble than any of the other parties.
21 November 2014, 04:15 PM
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This just smacks of naivety. UKIP as a party have no real track record, however politicians have a career group have a propensity towards lying/self servance etc. So if i was going to take a punt on how a UKIP government will turn out, I'd go down the road of being self serving liars. Yes Farage and his PR team know how to play a crowd but that's all they are doing. I've seen no reason as of yet to belive they'd be anymore honest/noble than any of the other parties.
21 November 2014, 06:03 PM
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Naivety on your part yes! We know what the Tories and Labour give us whereas just maybe UKIP will be different! So chances of anything changing by voting Tory or Labour... zero, chances of something changing if you vote UKIP... no worse than voting Labour or Tory and possibly better.... it's a no brainer really just on pure logic unless you really are happy with the current lot... which in my book makes you part of the problem!!
From Scoobynets resident pessimist I find that a really odd statement. It's all well and good thinking voting in a different party will change everything but that's only looking at part of the problem. The whole system wants looking at from the election process all the way through to the actual governing of the country.
As for the parting comment, why shouldn't someone be able to happy with the 'current lot' as you put it?
22 November 2014, 06:25 PM
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To be fair you are very good at jealousy
23 November 2014, 10:36 AM
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I have damned good reason...as has anyone who has lived north of Watford since Thatcher.
You should maybe try it for ten years before making soft lad statements like that?
Go and live on Tyneside, or better still Teesside or Humberside for ten years...then see if you are so glib.
You should maybe try it for ten years before making soft lad statements like that?
Go and live on Tyneside, or better still Teesside or Humberside for ten years...then see if you are so glib.
23 November 2014, 11:17 AM
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I have damned good reason...as has anyone who has lived north of Watford since Thatcher.
You should maybe try it for ten years before making soft lad statements like that?
Go and live on Tyneside, or better still Teesside or Humberside for ten years...then see if you are so glib.
You should maybe try it for ten years before making soft lad statements like that?
Go and live on Tyneside, or better still Teesside or Humberside for ten years...then see if you are so glib.
23 November 2014, 11:19 AM
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Well one ( maybe the only) good thing come from EU, is that The City cannot reward *ankers for being greedy.
So maybe the government will have to think again on how to prop up the economy
So maybe the government will have to think again on how to prop up the economy
29 January 2015, 12:28 PM
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I don't think it really matters anymore which lot are in power since they have all pretty much morphed into one party, namely the political elite, ordinary man on the street doesn't stand a chance and I would include the current favourites UKIP in that too, blaming the ills of the UK on foreigners won't change anything, and neither will they be any different than the current crop should they get into power, it will corrupt them even more so.
I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.
Guy fawkes had the right idea.
I question the morals and motivation of anyone that wants to be a politician as well as anyone that backs them financially, it's all about exerting the will of the few onto the many, which by it's very definition is questionable.
Guy fawkes had the right idea.
"Two legs bad, four legs good!".
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others..."
How the HELL have we fallen for this????????
29 January 2015, 12:48 PM
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That's how this has happened. Greed, pure and simple!
29 January 2015, 01:12 PM
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Serious answer... all the politicians since and including Thatcher have played on people's short term greed to gain the power they crave. Look for instance at the great privatisation scam of the Thatcher's time. Sell off the country's assets for about half their real value so the people could buy shares and make a quick buck without realising that for years and years they would be paying a lot more for it. Or Brown's debt based economic miracle where everyone got to drive round in a brand new Range Rover and live in a huge unaffordable house. And so on and so on.
That's how this has happened. Greed, pure and simple!
That's how this has happened. Greed, pure and simple!
Do you read these things back before posting?
Oh it's Mr. Establishmentarian posting again!
29 January 2015, 02:00 PM
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Oh, and you need to know that Maggie was not my heroine.
29 January 2015, 02:02 PM
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Serious answer... all the politicians since and including Thatcher have played on people's short term greed to gain the power they crave. Look for instance at the great privatisation scam of the Thatcher's time. Sell off the country's assets for about half their real value so the people could buy shares and make a quick buck without realising that for years and years they would be paying a lot more for it. Or Brown's debt based economic miracle where everyone got to drive round in a brand new Range Rover and live in a huge unaffordable house. And so on and so on.
That's how this has happened. Greed, pure and simple!
That's how this has happened. Greed, pure and simple!
But it's OK to, like yourself, drive around in an AMG Mercedes though.
29 January 2015, 02:10 PM
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Why not? I own it outright, no loans or mortgages in my life thanks. Live within your means is my motto! Yes I could have a brand new C63 on the drive and a huge f**k off loan to kid myself I can afford it or I can have a 10 year old SL with no loans in sight... I choose the latter and sleep well at night!
29 January 2015, 02:14 PM
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I don't, I think someone who takes a short term win for a long term loss as greedy, I see someone who gets themselves into so much debt that as soon as the interest rates rise is financially crippled as greedy, I see people who think treading on others to get somewhere in life as greedy.... but if you aspire to something and get there through fair not foul means... fair play to you!
29 January 2015, 07:28 PM
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Why not? I own it outright, no loans or mortgages in my life thanks. Live within your means is my motto! Yes I could have a brand new C63 on the drive and a huge f**k off loan to kid myself I can afford it or I can have a 10 year old SL with no loans in sight... I choose the latter and sleep well at night!
You should have worked harder at school then