KG TUNING - demo car.
13 December 2015, 09:58 AM
#242
I'll probably get braver when 11 seconds gets nearer! As I keep saying your time is my current target muhahaha.My starts are ok (very happy with 0-60 in 4.5 secs with 299bhp and very low torque at the time) it was the last 1/8 that was holding me back, one of the slips told me I was 79mph at 1/8 and 88mph at 1/4!
Hopefully now I have a restrictor pill fitted and more power/boost that very long 3rd can start propelling me.
The car feels so much quicker now after Scoobyclinic cured a few issues and mapped it. The next run should be very interesting.
Not sure what the car weighs at the moment, I really need to visit a weighbridge. I'd guess around 1280-1300kg. Car undertook a professional weight saving session at a specialist years ago, the pile of removed parts was substantial, I recorded as many parts as possible, not sure what to list a lot of them as though.
They were going to remove all the aircon ancillaries from behind the dash but we ran out of time, I will rebook though at some stage.
Weight wise I'm probably just under 1300kg but still got a long way to go. I won't be using perspex for anything that's for sure.
Tell you what, its time for put up or shut up, let's go race, TOTB 16 and we'll all be on the same strip on the same day and you can put your money where your mouth is and prove once and for all how fast your wrx is....
13 December 2015, 10:43 AM
#243
Not being funny Matt, but you would get dropped by a classic STi with just a decat, your newage is heavy and not got anything spectacular that puts in streets ahead from your usual blob WRX with a decat/remap.
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
13 December 2015, 11:36 AM
#245
To be fair i think he does have a bit of a point, all these times he's beating of much more powerful cars can't all be down to him being the best drag racer ever born and everyone else being rubbish at it.
I get that it's not all the same strip on the same day, but there must be something in what he says considering the many times he's beaten from cars with considerably more power.
It's not drag strip related but one thing I will say just to poke the nest
My own experience as the owner of a 330bhp Type R and a 260bhp Blob WRX the Type R isn't always the fastest car (on the road) as it's not as composed as the Blob and needs to be driven totally differently to get the best out of it and not have it spit you off the black stuff.
Which much like Matts statistics goes against the grain of a 200kg and 70bhp advantage that the Type R has over the Blob.
Just saying.
I get that it's not all the same strip on the same day, but there must be something in what he says considering the many times he's beaten from cars with considerably more power.
It's not drag strip related but one thing I will say just to poke the nest
My own experience as the owner of a 330bhp Type R and a 260bhp Blob WRX the Type R isn't always the fastest car (on the road) as it's not as composed as the Blob and needs to be driven totally differently to get the best out of it and not have it spit you off the black stuff.
Which much like Matts statistics goes against the grain of a 200kg and 70bhp advantage that the Type R has over the Blob.
Just saying.
13 December 2015, 12:35 PM
#246
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It's not just my WRX is it though boys? Stock WRX have been beating stock STI's for donkeys years, many car mag tests confirm it. As for modded Subarus, the drag strip times of cars all over the world only confirmed my suspicions, the WRX times beat STI times even with considerably less power.
One thing I have noticed is the amount of STI owners getting big builds to get the acceleration a WRX can manage and seeing failure just a few years or even months down the line.
Why don't they just buy a WRX and spend big bucks on handling and braking?
One thing I have noticed is the amount of STI owners getting big builds to get the acceleration a WRX can manage and seeing failure just a few years or even months down the line.
Why don't they just buy a WRX and spend big bucks on handling and braking?
13 December 2015, 02:14 PM
#247
Matt, you are full on internet speculation and bull**** mate, I like you, and find it quite amusing.
And I have no axe to grind regarding wrx v sti, it is irrelevant to me as. I don't even know what one I own!
So, put the neigh sayers in their place, and let's go race,but I notice you avoidedmy challenge? If you are so convinced then let's go race.
And I have no axe to grind regarding wrx v sti, it is irrelevant to me as. I don't even know what one I own!
So, put the neigh sayers in their place, and let's go race,but I notice you avoidedmy challenge? If you are so convinced then let's go race.
13 December 2015, 03:17 PM
#248
It's not just my WRX is it though boys? Stock WRX have been beating stock STI's for donkeys years, many car mag tests confirm it. As for modded Subarus, the drag strip times of cars all over the world only confirmed my suspicions, the WRX times beat STI times even with considerably less power.
One thing I have noticed is the amount of STI owners getting big builds to get the acceleration a WRX can manage and seeing failure just a few years or even months down the line.
Why don't they just buy a WRX and spend big bucks on handling and braking?
One thing I have noticed is the amount of STI owners getting big builds to get the acceleration a WRX can manage and seeing failure just a few years or even months down the line.
Why don't they just buy a WRX and spend big bucks on handling and braking?
13 December 2015, 08:22 PM
#249
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Not being funny Matt, but you would get dropped by a classic WRX with just a decat, your newage is heavy and not got anything spectacular that puts in streets ahead from your usual blob WRX with a decat/remap.
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
13 December 2015, 09:12 PM
#250
Not being funny Matt, but you would get dropped by a classic STi with just a decat, your newage is heavy and not got anything spectacular that puts in streets ahead from your usual blob WRX with a decat/remap.
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
Personally I think you do most of this as a wind up as you like people biting with your wild claims of 0-60 in 2 seconds and uber low drag strip times, but most people who have been modding Impreza's and been around a long while can see through your bull5hit, but nevertheless it is quite entertaining!!
My heart yearns for a 10 year old wrx....
I'm writing to Santa **** it
Santa must be real......matts away with the ******* fairies 
13 December 2015, 09:39 PM
#252
14 December 2015, 02:10 PM
#253
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FFS buy a MX5 STI guys if you want to handle good from stock. Save some pennies.
14 December 2015, 02:22 PM
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Scary thing is I did mid 12 secs with muddy tyres on a cold damp track and a "babied launch"
The car is now even lighter and has low friction oils, could be a real game changer for the WRX's. I've done my bit too and have gone from 15 stone to 13 stone!
14 December 2015, 02:36 PM
#255
Well according to the trusty 1/4 mile calculators you'll have to drop the car weight (including you) to under 1000kg in total to get under 12s in a 4WD car.
I don't hink it's possible personally on the heavy impreza shell and running gear even if it's stripped to it's bones.
I don't hink it's possible personally on the heavy impreza shell and running gear even if it's stripped to it's bones.
14 December 2015, 07:30 PM
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1st launch, grip and bang goes something in the drivetrain probably.
15 December 2015, 04:48 PM
#259
Howdy, just wanted to add my 2 pence (well more than 2p, clearly I type too much! Jeez this is a much longer post than I had intended!) here seeing as I've been referred to however many posts back, as well as seeing some of my videos posted too.
#TLDR - don't speculate on times you think you can achieve, go out there and prove some times, otherwise you'll look silly. But there's no reason why a WRX with similar power to an STi can't be quicker. Afterall, it's a lighter car with gear ratios that require less changes (and therefore less time wasted) on a 1/4mile, thinner wheels and tyres, less aero drag etc.
But mainly, less weight = less power required to go faster.
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You see so many Subarus, STis & WRXs alike (and other cars) running at the drag strip and see them running pathetic times. So to compare how you see other people and cars perform doesn't really work. Circumstances, conditions, drivers (!!) etc. are always different.
Anyway, I've always believed that the cars I've witnessed running slow times have various reasons for being "slow." Maybe they are not being hammered, or maybe they launch hard but granny shift, bog down, slip the clutch too much, launch too hard and wheel spin, don't rev out enough, rev out too much, hit limiters etc. Who knows. They're not professional drivers and ultimately they are people's pride and joy car and they may not want to ruin them, or not know how to get the best out of them.
Same goes for the magazine reviews 1/4 mile times, I've always looked at them and thought they seemed slow, but not all motoring journalists are great drivers. I do specifically remember the EVO test where they put the Spec C, Type 25, P1 and something else against each other, and distinctly remember thinking why such slow 1/4 mile times, with decent 0-60/62 times. Then I'd compare to my own times and ponder what the breakdown of my own true 0-60s etc. would be.
What I will refer you to though are the Best Motoring videos of the tests of things like the Spec C and the like, pulling low 12s in completely standard cars. Take from that what you will. Jap motoring journos knowing how to drive them, souped up models to perform better, higher RON fuel and therefore better performance? You tell me.
Anyway for reference an overview of my previous drag strip times:
2004 WRX - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, Collins VTA DV - API lightened flywheel, Exedy clutch - Standard WRX 17" alloys with 215/45/17 ditchfinder Autoguard tyres - No Remap - Power unknown but no more than 250-260bhp if that surely?
~13.1 @ Sub 100mph @ Santa Pod
No idea of the 60fts or anything, but I do still have all my printed slips somewhere so I will dig them out soon for reference. This was the one and only time I took that car to the drag strip, and having had the clutch replaced literally days before, only had 3-4 runs. Maybe I could have gone faster? 12s? Doubtful.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - Bee*R Ignition Cut Launch Control Module (set via handbrake switch) set to 5750rpm - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - No Remap - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~330bhp 300lbft
12.9 @ 103mph @ Santa Pod was my best time. Ran 12.9 a couple of times.
Using this run as a direct comparison to my WRX time, you could argue that the WRX is more efficient in straight line acceleration due to only being 0.2 seconds slower but lacking 60-70bhp. But weight is a big factor that cannot be ignored. The STi has heavier brakes, wheels/tyres, gearbox, aero etc. all in the aim of reducing lap times, and having more fun whilst doing it.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - API Lightweight pulleys - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - RaceDynamics Remap with 20% methanol, Launch Control Set at 6krpm - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~365bhp can't remember torque.
12.2 @ 109mph (Best time) 12.3 @ 111mph (best terminal) @ Santa Pod - ran plenty of 1.7 60fts that day, think I may have even hit a 1.6. Again, have slips, will check.
12.2 @ Various speeds @ Elvington Drag strip during ScoobyShootOut with one heck of a head wind. Sat on the line the wind was blowing so hard my oil temperatures were dropping from the volume of air hitting the oil cooler - Only changes to car, blanked DV, on Spec C wheels with 235/45/17 Yokohama A048s - Plenty of 1.7s and a 1.6 60ft also.
12.1 @ 113mph @ Shakespeare Drag Strip - setup as above with BC Coilovers & 24mm rear ARB. Quite a bit of wheel spin in 1st gear during that run. Will have to check the 60ft times though.
Unfortunately I never got to go back to the drag strip with my final setup of Mishimoto inlet pipe, VF43 with Forge actuator making 406bhp @ RCM. I'd like to think that I would have most definitely have got into the 11s with that setup.
However, do I feel as though a WRX with similar power would have gone faster? Well.. at 100 odd kilos lighter, less mechanical and aero drag, I'd have bloody hoped so.
But would the gearbox hold? Well given that I've destroyed a bugeye WRX gearbox 2nd gear @ 340bhp, then my Dad killed 1st gear in a brand new box from Subaru at the same power, then he's managed to destroy another 5 speed's 3rd gear @ 280bhp, I doubt that I'd have ever found out if a WRX would go quicker!
Anymore power in the STi and it would probably not have got much quicker over the 1/4mile because of the short gear ratios. 450bhp and above would be ideal for the Hawkeye STi 6 speed I think. More like the 5 speed ratios, but with the power to get through them like a shorter ratio box
But if I wanted to just go fast in a straight line I wouldn't have owned a Subaru. A WRX may well be able to be quicker in a straight line with less power, but I think that's down mostly to weight and the requirement for more gear changes.
An STi is heavier because it stops better, accelerates better mid-range due to its more flexible gear ratios, handles better in part thanks to the better Suretrac differentials and in some cases DCCD, and is generally a more reliable and stronger car to take the abuse without the worry of destroying the 5 speed. The only reason for selling my WRX was through fear of breaking it, not once did I ever get that feeling in my STi and boy did that thing get abused (when warm .)
So with the greatest of respect, Matt, who cares is a WRX is quicker in a straight line than a WRX STi?
Do I think you'll crack 11s with your current power and secret mods? Well.. try low 12s first, if you manage that then fair play. Without some serious weight loss, lightweight wheels, propshaft, low resistance wheel bearings etc. I struggle to see you cracking 11s, but again if you do, fair play. I'd be more worried about the gearbox giving up on you whilst you try and try to go faster.
FWIW - I have a hankering to buy a WRX and try those gearbox blast plate things to see if they really do make a difference to the power handling capability, maybe they're something you should consider?
I'll be watching this thread with interest as you seem hell bent on setting decent times over the 1/4mile. But just remember, there's more to a Subaru than its straight line speed
Regards,
Kosta
#TLDR - don't speculate on times you think you can achieve, go out there and prove some times, otherwise you'll look silly. But there's no reason why a WRX with similar power to an STi can't be quicker. Afterall, it's a lighter car with gear ratios that require less changes (and therefore less time wasted) on a 1/4mile, thinner wheels and tyres, less aero drag etc.
But mainly, less weight = less power required to go faster.
-------
You see so many Subarus, STis & WRXs alike (and other cars) running at the drag strip and see them running pathetic times. So to compare how you see other people and cars perform doesn't really work. Circumstances, conditions, drivers (!!) etc. are always different.
Anyway, I've always believed that the cars I've witnessed running slow times have various reasons for being "slow." Maybe they are not being hammered, or maybe they launch hard but granny shift, bog down, slip the clutch too much, launch too hard and wheel spin, don't rev out enough, rev out too much, hit limiters etc. Who knows. They're not professional drivers and ultimately they are people's pride and joy car and they may not want to ruin them, or not know how to get the best out of them.
Same goes for the magazine reviews 1/4 mile times, I've always looked at them and thought they seemed slow, but not all motoring journalists are great drivers. I do specifically remember the EVO test where they put the Spec C, Type 25, P1 and something else against each other, and distinctly remember thinking why such slow 1/4 mile times, with decent 0-60/62 times. Then I'd compare to my own times and ponder what the breakdown of my own true 0-60s etc. would be.
What I will refer you to though are the Best Motoring videos of the tests of things like the Spec C and the like, pulling low 12s in completely standard cars. Take from that what you will. Jap motoring journos knowing how to drive them, souped up models to perform better, higher RON fuel and therefore better performance? You tell me.
Anyway for reference an overview of my previous drag strip times:
2004 WRX - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, Collins VTA DV - API lightened flywheel, Exedy clutch - Standard WRX 17" alloys with 215/45/17 ditchfinder Autoguard tyres - No Remap - Power unknown but no more than 250-260bhp if that surely?
~13.1 @ Sub 100mph @ Santa Pod
No idea of the 60fts or anything, but I do still have all my printed slips somewhere so I will dig them out soon for reference. This was the one and only time I took that car to the drag strip, and having had the clutch replaced literally days before, only had 3-4 runs. Maybe I could have gone faster? 12s? Doubtful.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - Bee*R Ignition Cut Launch Control Module (set via handbrake switch) set to 5750rpm - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - No Remap - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~330bhp 300lbft
12.9 @ 103mph @ Santa Pod was my best time. Ran 12.9 a couple of times.
Using this run as a direct comparison to my WRX time, you could argue that the WRX is more efficient in straight line acceleration due to only being 0.2 seconds slower but lacking 60-70bhp. But weight is a big factor that cannot be ignored. The STi has heavier brakes, wheels/tyres, gearbox, aero etc. all in the aim of reducing lap times, and having more fun whilst doing it.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - API Lightweight pulleys - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - RaceDynamics Remap with 20% methanol, Launch Control Set at 6krpm - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~365bhp can't remember torque.
12.2 @ 109mph (Best time) 12.3 @ 111mph (best terminal) @ Santa Pod - ran plenty of 1.7 60fts that day, think I may have even hit a 1.6. Again, have slips, will check.
12.2 @ Various speeds @ Elvington Drag strip during ScoobyShootOut with one heck of a head wind. Sat on the line the wind was blowing so hard my oil temperatures were dropping from the volume of air hitting the oil cooler - Only changes to car, blanked DV, on Spec C wheels with 235/45/17 Yokohama A048s - Plenty of 1.7s and a 1.6 60ft also.
12.1 @ 113mph @ Shakespeare Drag Strip - setup as above with BC Coilovers & 24mm rear ARB. Quite a bit of wheel spin in 1st gear during that run. Will have to check the 60ft times though.
Unfortunately I never got to go back to the drag strip with my final setup of Mishimoto inlet pipe, VF43 with Forge actuator making 406bhp @ RCM. I'd like to think that I would have most definitely have got into the 11s with that setup.
However, do I feel as though a WRX with similar power would have gone faster? Well.. at 100 odd kilos lighter, less mechanical and aero drag, I'd have bloody hoped so.
But would the gearbox hold? Well given that I've destroyed a bugeye WRX gearbox 2nd gear @ 340bhp, then my Dad killed 1st gear in a brand new box from Subaru at the same power, then he's managed to destroy another 5 speed's 3rd gear @ 280bhp, I doubt that I'd have ever found out if a WRX would go quicker!
Anymore power in the STi and it would probably not have got much quicker over the 1/4mile because of the short gear ratios. 450bhp and above would be ideal for the Hawkeye STi 6 speed I think. More like the 5 speed ratios, but with the power to get through them like a shorter ratio box
But if I wanted to just go fast in a straight line I wouldn't have owned a Subaru. A WRX may well be able to be quicker in a straight line with less power, but I think that's down mostly to weight and the requirement for more gear changes.
An STi is heavier because it stops better, accelerates better mid-range due to its more flexible gear ratios, handles better in part thanks to the better Suretrac differentials and in some cases DCCD, and is generally a more reliable and stronger car to take the abuse without the worry of destroying the 5 speed. The only reason for selling my WRX was through fear of breaking it, not once did I ever get that feeling in my STi and boy did that thing get abused (when warm
.)So with the greatest of respect, Matt, who cares is a WRX is quicker in a straight line than a WRX STi?
Do I think you'll crack 11s with your current power and secret mods? Well.. try low 12s first, if you manage that then fair play. Without some serious weight loss, lightweight wheels, propshaft, low resistance wheel bearings etc. I struggle to see you cracking 11s, but again if you do, fair play. I'd be more worried about the gearbox giving up on you whilst you try and try to go faster.
FWIW - I have a hankering to buy a WRX and try those gearbox blast plate things to see if they really do make a difference to the power handling capability, maybe they're something you should consider?
I'll be watching this thread with interest as you seem hell bent on setting decent times over the 1/4mile. But just remember, there's more to a Subaru than its straight line speed
Regards,
Kosta
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17 December 2015, 04:17 PM
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17 December 2015, 04:49 PM
#261
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Howdy, just wanted to add my 2 pence (well more than 2p, clearly I type too much! Jeez this is a much longer post than I had intended!) here seeing as I've been referred to however many posts back, as well as seeing some of my videos posted too.
#TLDR - don't speculate on times you think you can achieve, go out there and prove some times, otherwise you'll look silly. But there's no reason why a WRX with similar power to an STi can't be quicker. Afterall, it's a lighter car with gear ratios that require less changes (and therefore less time wasted) on a 1/4mile, thinner wheels and tyres, less aero drag etc.
But mainly, less weight = less power required to go faster.
-------
You see so many Subarus, STis & WRXs alike (and other cars) running at the drag strip and see them running pathetic times. So to compare how you see other people and cars perform doesn't really work. Circumstances, conditions, drivers (!!) etc. are always different.
Anyway, I've always believed that the cars I've witnessed running slow times have various reasons for being "slow." Maybe they are not being hammered, or maybe they launch hard but granny shift, bog down, slip the clutch too much, launch too hard and wheel spin, don't rev out enough, rev out too much, hit limiters etc. Who knows. They're not professional drivers and ultimately they are people's pride and joy car and they may not want to ruin them, or not know how to get the best out of them.
Same goes for the magazine reviews 1/4 mile times, I've always looked at them and thought they seemed slow, but not all motoring journalists are great drivers. I do specifically remember the EVO test where they put the Spec C, Type 25, P1 and something else against each other, and distinctly remember thinking why such slow 1/4 mile times, with decent 0-60/62 times. Then I'd compare to my own times and ponder what the breakdown of my own true 0-60s etc. would be.
What I will refer you to though are the Best Motoring videos of the tests of things like the Spec C and the like, pulling low 12s in completely standard cars. Take from that what you will. Jap motoring journos knowing how to drive them, souped up models to perform better, higher RON fuel and therefore better performance? You tell me.
Anyway for reference an overview of my previous drag strip times
No idea of the 60fts or anything, but I do still have all my printed slips somewhere so I will dig them out soon for reference. This was the one and only time I took that car to the drag strip, and having had the clutch replaced literally days before, only had 3-4 runs. Maybe I could have gone faster? 12s? Doubtful.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - Bee*R Ignition Cut Launch Control Module (set via handbrake switch) set to 5750rpm - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - No Remap - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~330bhp 300lbft
12.9 @ 103mph @ Santa Pod was my best time. Ran 12.9 a couple of times.
Using this run as a direct comparison to my WRX time, you could argue that the WRX is more efficient in straight line acceleration due to only being 0.2 seconds slower but lacking 60-70bhp. But weight is a big factor that cannot be ignored. The STi has heavier brakes, wheels/tyres, gearbox, aero etc. all in the aim of reducing lap times, and having more fun whilst doing it.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - API Lightweight pulleys - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - RaceDynamics Remap with 20% methanol, Launch Control Set at 6krpm - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~365bhp can't remember torque.
12.2 @ 109mph (Best time) 12.3 @ 111mph (best terminal) @ Santa Pod - ran plenty of 1.7 60fts that day, think I may have even hit a 1.6. Again, have slips, will check.
12.2 @ Various speeds @ Elvington Drag strip during ScoobyShootOut with one heck of a head wind. Sat on the line the wind was blowing so hard my oil temperatures were dropping from the volume of air hitting the oil cooler - Only changes to car, blanked DV, on Spec C wheels with 235/45/17 Yokohama A048s - Plenty of 1.7s and a 1.6 60ft also.
12.1 @ 113mph @ Shakespeare Drag Strip - setup as above with BC Coilovers & 24mm rear ARB. Quite a bit of wheel spin in 1st gear during that run. Will have to check the 60ft times though.
Unfortunately I never got to go back to the drag strip with my final setup of Mishimoto inlet pipe, VF43 with Forge actuator making 406bhp @ RCM. I'd like to think that I would have most definitely have got into the 11s with that setup.
However, do I feel as though a WRX with similar power would have gone faster? Well.. at 100 odd kilos lighter, less mechanical and aero drag, I'd have bloody hoped so.
But would the gearbox hold? Well given that I've destroyed a bugeye WRX gearbox 2nd gear @ 340bhp, then my Dad killed 1st gear in a brand new box from Subaru at the same power, then he's managed to destroy another 5 speed's 3rd gear @ 280bhp, I doubt that I'd have ever found out if a WRX would go quicker!
Anymore power in the STi and it would probably not have got much quicker over the 1/4mile because of the short gear ratios. 450bhp and above would be ideal for the Hawkeye STi 6 speed I think. More like the 5 speed ratios, but with the power to get through them like a shorter ratio box
But if I wanted to just go fast in a straight line I wouldn't have owned a Subaru. A WRX may well be able to be quicker in a straight line with less power, but I think that's down mostly to weight and the requirement for more gear changes.
An STi is heavier because it stops better, accelerates better mid-range due to its more flexible gear ratios, handles better in part thanks to the better Suretrac differentials and in some cases DCCD, and is generally a more reliable and stronger car to take the abuse without the worry of destroying the 5 speed. The only reason for selling my WRX was through fear of breaking it, not once did I ever get that feeling in my STi and boy did that thing get abused (when warm .)
So with the greatest of respect, Matt, who cares is a WRX is quicker in a straight line than a WRX STi?
Do I think you'll crack 11s with your current power and secret mods? Well.. try low 12s first, if you manage that then fair play. Without some serious weight loss, lightweight wheels, propshaft, low resistance wheel bearings etc. I struggle to see you cracking 11s, but again if you do, fair play. I'd be more worried about the gearbox giving up on you whilst you try and try to go faster.
FWIW - I have a hankering to buy a WRX and try those gearbox blast plate things to see if they really do make a difference to the power handling capability, maybe they're something you should consider?
I'll be watching this thread with interest as you seem hell bent on setting decent times over the 1/4mile. But just remember, there's more to a Subaru than its straight line speed
Regards,
Kosta
#TLDR - don't speculate on times you think you can achieve, go out there and prove some times, otherwise you'll look silly. But there's no reason why a WRX with similar power to an STi can't be quicker. Afterall, it's a lighter car with gear ratios that require less changes (and therefore less time wasted) on a 1/4mile, thinner wheels and tyres, less aero drag etc.
But mainly, less weight = less power required to go faster.
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You see so many Subarus, STis & WRXs alike (and other cars) running at the drag strip and see them running pathetic times. So to compare how you see other people and cars perform doesn't really work. Circumstances, conditions, drivers (!!) etc. are always different.
Anyway, I've always believed that the cars I've witnessed running slow times have various reasons for being "slow." Maybe they are not being hammered, or maybe they launch hard but granny shift, bog down, slip the clutch too much, launch too hard and wheel spin, don't rev out enough, rev out too much, hit limiters etc. Who knows. They're not professional drivers and ultimately they are people's pride and joy car and they may not want to ruin them, or not know how to get the best out of them.
Same goes for the magazine reviews 1/4 mile times, I've always looked at them and thought they seemed slow, but not all motoring journalists are great drivers. I do specifically remember the EVO test where they put the Spec C, Type 25, P1 and something else against each other, and distinctly remember thinking why such slow 1/4 mile times, with decent 0-60/62 times. Then I'd compare to my own times and ponder what the breakdown of my own true 0-60s etc. would be.
What I will refer you to though are the Best Motoring videos of the tests of things like the Spec C and the like, pulling low 12s in completely standard cars. Take from that what you will. Jap motoring journos knowing how to drive them, souped up models to perform better, higher RON fuel and therefore better performance? You tell me.
Anyway for reference an overview of my previous drag strip times
No idea of the 60fts or anything, but I do still have all my printed slips somewhere so I will dig them out soon for reference. This was the one and only time I took that car to the drag strip, and having had the clutch replaced literally days before, only had 3-4 runs. Maybe I could have gone faster? 12s? Doubtful.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - Bee*R Ignition Cut Launch Control Module (set via handbrake switch) set to 5750rpm - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - No Remap - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~330bhp 300lbft
12.9 @ 103mph @ Santa Pod was my best time. Ran 12.9 a couple of times.
Using this run as a direct comparison to my WRX time, you could argue that the WRX is more efficient in straight line acceleration due to only being 0.2 seconds slower but lacking 60-70bhp. But weight is a big factor that cannot be ignored. The STi has heavier brakes, wheels/tyres, gearbox, aero etc. all in the aim of reducing lap times, and having more fun whilst doing it.
2003 WRX STi - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, HKS SSQV - Exedy Organic Clutch - API Lightweight pulleys - Standard STi wheels with 225/45/17 Vredstein Ultrac Sessantas - RaceDynamics Remap with 20% methanol, Launch Control Set at 6krpm - Rolling roaded at Powerstation at ~365bhp can't remember torque.
12.2 @ 109mph (Best time) 12.3 @ 111mph (best terminal) @ Santa Pod - ran plenty of 1.7 60fts that day, think I may have even hit a 1.6. Again, have slips, will check.
12.2 @ Various speeds @ Elvington Drag strip during ScoobyShootOut with one heck of a head wind. Sat on the line the wind was blowing so hard my oil temperatures were dropping from the volume of air hitting the oil cooler - Only changes to car, blanked DV, on Spec C wheels with 235/45/17 Yokohama A048s - Plenty of 1.7s and a 1.6 60ft also.
12.1 @ 113mph @ Shakespeare Drag Strip - setup as above with BC Coilovers & 24mm rear ARB. Quite a bit of wheel spin in 1st gear during that run. Will have to check the 60ft times though.
Unfortunately I never got to go back to the drag strip with my final setup of Mishimoto inlet pipe, VF43 with Forge actuator making 406bhp @ RCM. I'd like to think that I would have most definitely have got into the 11s with that setup.
However, do I feel as though a WRX with similar power would have gone faster? Well.. at 100 odd kilos lighter, less mechanical and aero drag, I'd have bloody hoped so.
But would the gearbox hold? Well given that I've destroyed a bugeye WRX gearbox 2nd gear @ 340bhp, then my Dad killed 1st gear in a brand new box from Subaru at the same power, then he's managed to destroy another 5 speed's 3rd gear @ 280bhp, I doubt that I'd have ever found out if a WRX would go quicker!
Anymore power in the STi and it would probably not have got much quicker over the 1/4mile because of the short gear ratios. 450bhp and above would be ideal for the Hawkeye STi 6 speed I think. More like the 5 speed ratios, but with the power to get through them like a shorter ratio box
But if I wanted to just go fast in a straight line I wouldn't have owned a Subaru. A WRX may well be able to be quicker in a straight line with less power, but I think that's down mostly to weight and the requirement for more gear changes.
An STi is heavier because it stops better, accelerates better mid-range due to its more flexible gear ratios, handles better in part thanks to the better Suretrac differentials and in some cases DCCD, and is generally a more reliable and stronger car to take the abuse without the worry of destroying the 5 speed. The only reason for selling my WRX was through fear of breaking it, not once did I ever get that feeling in my STi and boy did that thing get abused (when warm
.)So with the greatest of respect, Matt, who cares is a WRX is quicker in a straight line than a WRX STi?
Do I think you'll crack 11s with your current power and secret mods? Well.. try low 12s first, if you manage that then fair play. Without some serious weight loss, lightweight wheels, propshaft, low resistance wheel bearings etc. I struggle to see you cracking 11s, but again if you do, fair play. I'd be more worried about the gearbox giving up on you whilst you try and try to go faster.
FWIW - I have a hankering to buy a WRX and try those gearbox blast plate things to see if they really do make a difference to the power handling capability, maybe they're something you should consider?
I'll be watching this thread with interest as you seem hell bent on setting decent times over the 1/4mile. But just remember, there's more to a Subaru than its straight line speed
Regards,
Kosta
I think with the state of UK roads and speed cameras/smart cameras going up everywhere that quick dashes up to the speed limit is very important for the average driver of sub 10k cars. Carrying speed through corners on public roads is suicide and ironically cars that are set up to handle well on track can be worse on a bumpy road. In 20 years of spirited driving I've never come across a driver that threw his car around a corner to pull away from me. Half the fun of corners is that you really ease down and get back into 1st gear and launch again! Most drivers seem to follow this etiquette, and as for the track your not supposed to race each other, only on the Drag Strip!!!
My car will **** 11 seconds in it's current tune, 12.6 was with muddy tyres on a cold damp track and plenty of wheelspin. And as for the gearbox I'm 43lbft below the point where it becomes risky and if it blows they are peanuts to replace on the WRX.
]2004 WRX - Harvey Smith ported manifold, uppipe, Hayward & Scott 3" downpipe mated to true 3" Blitz Nur Spec R, Collins VTA DV - API lightened flywheel, Exedy clutch - Standard WRX 17" alloys with 215/45/17 ditchfinder Autoguard tyres - No Remap - Power unknown but no more than 250-260bhp if that surely?
~13.1 @ Sub 100mph @ Santa Pod
~13.1 @ Sub 100mph @ Santa Pod
Say no more, mechanical strength does't negate this massive gulf in pace IMHO.
17 December 2015, 04:54 PM
#262
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Well according to the trusty 1/4 mile calculators you'll have to drop the car weight (including you) to under 1000kg in total to get under 12s in a 4WD car.
I don't hink it's possible personally on the heavy impreza shell and running gear even if it's stripped to it's bones.
I don't hink it's possible personally on the heavy impreza shell and running gear even if it's stripped to it's bones.
17 December 2015, 05:27 PM
#263
When was the last time you visited the drag strip and set a time btw? Recently? Wasn't it last October?
Unless you've suddenly shed a lot of weight, or gained a lot of power, you will not "**** 11 seconds" stop making silly claims. Going from 12.6s to sub 12s by reducing wheel spin isn't going to happen unless you went from 2WD to 4WD.
You keep harking on about efficiency, but it's already been explained to you that of course there will be more drivetrain losses on an STi, it has more weight on each axle with its bigger brakes, wheels, tyres, driveshafts etc.
But you're right, most people do want a car that is "quicker" in a straight line, but most people don't ever go fast in anything other than a straight line so what do they know. All they want is a quicker straight line car to prove a point. But, if you wanted a quick car in a straight line only you've bought the wrong car.
Anyway, as said however many times by however many people. Go set the times then gloat as much as you like. Provide a slip, video and hell even a car weight. Then and only then will people take you seriously (I'm trying btw...)
PS you say no sub 400bhp newage STi would worry you. Clearly mine would have
Unless you've suddenly shed a lot of weight, or gained a lot of power, you will not "**** 11 seconds" stop making silly claims. Going from 12.6s to sub 12s by reducing wheel spin isn't going to happen unless you went from 2WD to 4WD.
You keep harking on about efficiency, but it's already been explained to you that of course there will be more drivetrain losses on an STi, it has more weight on each axle with its bigger brakes, wheels, tyres, driveshafts etc.
But you're right, most people do want a car that is "quicker" in a straight line, but most people don't ever go fast in anything other than a straight line so what do they know. All they want is a quicker straight line car to prove a point. But, if you wanted a quick car in a straight line only you've bought the wrong car.
Anyway, as said however many times by however many people. Go set the times then gloat as much as you like. Provide a slip, video and hell even a car weight. Then and only then will people take you seriously (I'm trying btw...)
PS you say no sub 400bhp newage STi would worry you. Clearly mine would have
Last edited by ScoobyDoo69; 17 December 2015 at 05:31 PM.
17 December 2015, 07:24 PM
#265
2nd gear lasts 4 seconds on throttle
Straight lines bore me tbh but travel the 40 mins to TOTB at the end of July and put an end to this $hit once and for all, Btw my remapped Spec-c did a 12.58 or something like on my only run, It's a 12 second car regardless to me I'd rather play round the cones...or into them, surprising what you can beat with less weight and spool
Straight lines bore me tbh but travel the 40 mins to TOTB at the end of July and put an end to this $hit once and for all, Btw my remapped Spec-c did a 12.58 or something like on my only run, It's a 12 second car regardless to me I'd rather play round the cones...or into them, surprising what you can beat with less weight and spool
17 December 2015, 07:34 PM
#266
Matt I have more then 517hp anywayn and I wouldn't want to race you, it is pointless as you couldn't hope to compare.
What I do wantn is for you to stop making stupid claims and put your money where your mouth is and stop spouting ****!
Go do a 2.9sec 0-60, and an 11 and brin the proof back, because I hope you do it. But you are reallynever going to acheive it!
What I do wantn is for you to stop making stupid claims and put your money where your mouth is and stop spouting ****!
Go do a 2.9sec 0-60, and an 11 and brin the proof back, because I hope you do it. But you are reallynever going to acheive it!
