Project Billy Sexcrime - **warning** features drag race talk & STI bashing.
How fast can a Newage accelerate with the stock internals and 5 speed???
State of tune so far → ■ Bought in 2008 as a 2003 WRX PPP 187.3atw (240/236 @0.86BAR) ■ Mapped to 218.4atw (280/273 @1.02BAR) by TRL's Matt on AET's dyno ■ Mapped to 230.0atw (295/265 @1.00BAR) by PVD Power/Tweaks Developments ■ Booked a well respected mapper at this point but he forgot ■ Mapped to 260.5atw (332.6/307 @1.35BAR) by Pat Herborn at Scoobyclinic - 260bhp per ton! https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...pst5wcx43g.jpg https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps8tmcxav3.jpg Mod list to date → Ecutek remap by Pat Herborn (dyno & road) STI 550 injectors STI intercooler TD05 16g Turbo Blitz Nur spec backbox Decat centre section Decat DEI wrapped ported up-pipe Cobra Sport 3" Race cat downpipe Walbro 255l Fuel pump NGK PFR7B plugs JR Performance panel filter Perrin Turbo intake hose STI intercooler hose Competition Clutch stage 2 clutch Competition Clutch lightweight flywheel Silicone Turbo/Actuator vac hoses 5w40 Millers CFS Nanodrive oil 75-90 Millers CRX NT diff oil 75-90 Millers CRX NT gearbox oil Subaru Black oil filter Redline Water Wetter GFB adjustable bov Perrin Lightweight crank pulley Short shift gear lever Motordrive 5kg FIA custom racing seats Aircon removed Odyssey PC680 7kg lightweight battery Alternator cover removed Airbox resonator and intake removed Front bumper bar removed Horseshoe brace removed Bonnet sound-proofing removed Boot carpet/jack & tools/jack bracket/spare wheel & clamp removed Rear seat sound proofing removed Boot sound deadening half removed* Fog lights and holding brackets removed Boot light bracket removed Roof handle & brackets removed Driver foot rest removed Roof strengthening plates removed Radiator side brackets removed Injector brackets removed Car stereo & holding brackets removed Front and rear speakers removed Ashtray lid and lighter removed Carpets removed Rooflining removed Rear seatbelt cover removed Polycarbonate battery clamp Carbon fiber pillar covers STI boot spoiler STI bonnet scoop STI scoop undertray STI strut brace STI side skirts 17" Rota GRA lightweight alloys Nankang 215 45 R 17 91W Sportnex NS-2R Semi Slick Tyres TPI lightweight tuner nuts Pedders suspension Superpro drop links Whiteline 22mm rear anti-roll bar SWRD grooved disks Ferodo DS2500 pads WRX PRO calipers Goodridge Brake hoses 5.1 Motul Brake Fluid 3 of my 4 quickest runs: https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...psibigtidq.jpg https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...pssdm9hcxw.jpg Big thanks to KG Tuning (The Wife ;)) for fixing/modding the car regardless of the time or weather! https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...psbb83834b.jpg https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...pstx3zhslb.jpg Ultimate goal is to get into the 11's or hit 0-60mph in 3.5 secs with less than 335bhp/310lbft. |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11533974)
11's without breaking 350bhp.
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Sub 12's at 350 won't be easy. Not impossible mind, my Sti Ra ran a 12.4 at only 300bhp.
If you don't mind me asking, how come you've used so many different mappers? Good project by the way Joe |
bob from aztec has done 11.7 with 340bhp but his gearchanges were absolutely brutal on a ppg 5 speed
slower run from bob |
Anyone under 11, with 400?
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Originally Posted by joe v3sti
(Post 11534027)
Sub 12's at 350 won't be easy. Not impossible mind, my Sti Ra ran a 12.4 at only 300bhp.
If you don't mind me asking, how come you've used so many different mappers? Good project by the way Joe Before the last map the car got timed at York raceway into a strong head wind at 13.3 with a timed 0-60 of 4.5 secs. I'd think with 333bhp and a massive step up in torque I should be circa 12.8 and 0-60 in 4.1 secs. As I'm planning zero engine mods from now on there will be some significant weight saving plans for the car coming up. I'm going to push for 1000kg but over many years. Carbon fibre Polycarbonate Parasitic improvements Further rotational mass tweaks. Lighter parts Good old dremel |
Originally Posted by 2pot
(Post 11534043)
Anyone under 11, with 400?
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Originally Posted by banny sti
(Post 11534035)
bob from aztec has done 11.7 with 340bhp but his gearchanges were absolutely brutal on a ppg 5 speed
slower run from bob Drag racing- Subaru Impreza vs Subaru Impreza 12.03s @114mph - YouTube I wonder if Bob holds the record for a sub 350bhp "real-world" Subaru :wonder: |
Originally Posted by banny sti
(Post 11534035)
bob from aztec has done 11.7 with 340bhp
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 11534046)
You mean running in the 10's?
Yes. If 11.7 has been done with 340, then, in the slower brackets, allowing 0.1 reduction for 10bhp - I wonder if, as you say, 10's are possible at 400 ish. |
Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 11534052)
In a classic though Banny.
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Originally Posted by 2pot
(Post 11534054)
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Yes. If 11.7 has been done with 340, then, in the slower brackets, allowing 0.1 reduction for 10bhp - I wonder if, as you say, 10's are possible at 400 ish. You can't apply simple proportioning such as 10bhp=0.1sec to speed, for one thing doesn't drag (impedance not the sport) square with speed? |
a new age car running in the ten seconds bracket is going to take far far farmore than a wrx with the seats removed and 340 bhp
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Originally Posted by Blue by You
(Post 11534086)
A rule of thumb I always went by in drag racing, if you want to go twice as quick you need eight times the power. I know that's way beyond what you are suggesting, but we're all travelling along that road when we try to go faster.
You can't apply simple proportioning such as 10bhp=0.1sec to speed, for one thing doesn't drag (impedance not the sport) square with speed? |
another factor is with the extra power needed and the extreme launch that will be required the 5 speed box won't cope.
also you have gone through some extreme weight loss on the car then plonked a heavy sti spoiler, skirts and bonnet scoop on a wrx, id say the spoiler weighs the samne if not more than the parts you have removed. trying to make it look like an sti won't make it go like one ;) |
This is going to sound a bit RS Matt, but I removed my spoiler off my Type R and it was noticeably faster, all the big spoiler does is create drag up to 120mph where it begins to help with down force when high speed cornering.
And it weighs a fookin ton.;) |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11534183)
And it weighs a fookin ton.;) surely you are now back at square one and what you have is a mildly tuned wrx that wont have a hope in hell of getting anywhere near 11 seconds nevermind 10 |
There's another rule of thumb:
75/100lbs reduction = 0.1 sec |
Originally Posted by ditchmyster
(Post 11534183)
This is going to sound a bit RS Matt, but I removed my spoiler off my Type R and it was noticeably faster, all the big spoiler does is create drag up to 120mph where it begins to help with down force when high speed cornering.
And it weighs a fookin ton.;) Even the STI skirts were lighter than the OE WRX items. TBH though I don't want to cross the line looking like a Vectra. |
most of your threads are utter crap but I think this one is sort of serious.
to get anywhere near your target time of ten seconds requires far more bhp and far less weight. also a much stronger drive train so all in all a lot of money. there are hundreds if not thousands of lightly tuned imprezas like yours around and none would get near an 11 second run never mind 10. |
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Originally Posted by fat-thomas
(Post 11534241)
most of your threads are utter crap but I think this one is sort of serious.
to get anywhere near your target time of ten seconds requires far more bhp and far less weight. I think when I said "get into the 12's then ultimately 11's" I meant scraping 11.9 But hey, if you're offering sponsorship! NOTE TO THREAD READERS - drag race hating fat thomas IS A PREVIOUSLY BANNED TROLL WHO LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH
Originally Posted by fat-thomas
(Post 11568976)
when did i do a 12.8 at 430 bhp:lol1: ive only ever run the strip twice and both times with a passenger and when did i say i had 430 bhp. lol you are seriously deluded with sti envy
Originally Posted by http://www.lancerregister.com/showpost.php?p=4570288&postcount=117
below 12 is an awesome time.
the gtr at the end ran about that. i wasnt running today but got 12.8 in june [2012]
Originally Posted by tubbytommy
(Post 11004468)
i go and watch at santa pod quite often on rwyb days as its local to me.
most standard wrxs run in the 14's and standard stis in the 13's. you need over 400 bhp to get into the 12's in an impreza. [2013] Attachment 74313 |
come matt a serious thread for a change...
its about power to weight ratio mostly you have a relatively low powered car and in the grand scheme of things the car hasn't had any significant weight reduction. how on earth do you propose to get into the 11 second time bracket without adding significantly more power which as you are technically around the limit of wrx internals and gearbox is going to cost several thousands or drastically reduce weight which is going to render the car useless as an everyday car as its along the lines of perspex windows etc. |
You're going to need more power, and a more practice Matt, to even get to low 12's. You'll need a hell of a lot more power to get into the sub 11s bracket. SteveBT's is over 600 and his runs high 10s quarters. His is full weight though.
Yours is heavier than mine, and similar power. I'd assume more lb/ft than mine. If you aren't in the 12's now then you'll have to try a different approach Holding the revs at 4K and slipping the clutch whilst releasing the handbrake isn't going to make you quick, I'm afraid. You need to drive it harder. :D 6k rpm, blipping the throttle on the startline, so the turbo is actually doing something, and dump the clutch. Both Andy Forrest and Steven Darley advised me to blip the throttle, and they know a thing or two about drag racing. ;) Go hard or go home! 5K launch 6K launch |
Originally Posted by mickywrx
(Post 11534306)
You're going to need more power, and a more practice Matt, to even get to low 12's. You'll need a hell of a lot more power to get into the sub 11s bracket. SteveBT's is over 600 and his runs high 10s quarters. His is full weight though.
Yours is heavier than mine, and similar power. I'd assume more lb/ft than mine. If you aren't in the 12's now then you'll have to try a different approach Holding the revs at 4K and slipping the clutch whilst releasing the handbrake isn't going to make you quick, I'm afraid. You need to drive it harder. :D 6k rpm, blipping the throttle on the startline, so the turbo is actually doing something, and dump the clutch. Both Andy Forrest and Steven Darley advised me to blip the throttle, and they know a thing or two about drag racing. ;) Go hard or go home! 5K launch 330bhp WRX V 440bhp Type R - YouTube 6K launch Bye_Bye_Beattie's_STI.MOV - YouTube My starts are ok (very happy with 0-60 in 4.5 secs with 299bhp and very low torque at the time) it was the last 1/8 that was holding me back, one of the slips told me I was 79mph at 1/8 and 88mph at 1/4! Hopefully now I have a restrictor pill fitted and more power/boost that very long 3rd can start propelling me. The car feels so much quicker now after Scoobyclinic cured a few issues and mapped it. The next run should be very interesting. Not sure what the car weighs at the moment, I really need to visit a weighbridge. I'd guess around 1280-1300kg. Car undertook a professional weight saving session at a specialist years ago, the pile of removed parts was substantial, I recorded as many parts as possible, not sure what to list a lot of them as though. They were going to remove all the aircon ancillaries from behind the dash but we ran out of time, I will rebook though at some stage. Weight wise I'm probably just under 1300kg but still got a long way to go. I won't be using perspex for anything that's for sure. |
Good luck with that... The quality of the strip makes a big difference you stand your best channce at shakey or pod. Anywhere else is virtually impossible.
Mine does a 1/4 in low 11s and I will be looking for a 10 on saturday if the weather holds up on a sub standard strip. But that is a FULLY stripped classic with 500+hp. It has no door cards interior, sound deadening, spoilers etc! So you are very keen to get something into the 11s.... |
Originally Posted by JGlanzaV
(Post 11534429)
Good luck with that... The quality of the strip makes a big difference you stand your best channce at shakey or pod. Anywhere else is virtually impossible.
Mine does a 1/4 in low 11s and I will be looking for a 10 on saturday if the weather holds up on a sub standard strip. But that is a FULLY stripped classic with 500+hp. It has no door cards interior, sound deadening, spoilers etc! So you are very keen to get something into the 11s.... My car is getting a bit skittish in the wet in a straight line, 500+ must be nigh on unusable on a greasy road? Would it snake when boost comes in? |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11534438)
Hope you do it, 10's is the ultimate but way beyond my funds or driver skill.
My car is getting a bit skittish in the wet in a straight line, 500+ must be nigh on unusable on a greasy road? Would it snake when boost comes in? |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11534438)
my driver skill.
People think drag racing is a piece of piss, in essence it is or should be, it's a lot harder than they think. I did my first ever drag race at the Pod on 8th Oct 2006, I did a 14.something. I'd only had it a year, and it's a hell of a long way to drive to potentially kill your car. :eek: 2 years later, possibly one of the runs in the videos above, I did my 12.4 Only things that had been changed in that time was the Nur Spec and FMIC fitted. I just got harder on the launches and gear changes. Gearbox, fresh recon from Alyn @ AS Performance, and clutch had only been in the car 2 days in those videos. :eek::D |
Originally Posted by mickywrx
(Post 11535116)
Bollocks!
People think drag racing is a piece of piss, in essence it is or should be, it's a lot harder than they think. I'm not totally confident 12.9 isn't beyond my ability. :( |
Originally Posted by RS_Matt
(Post 11535174)
What's bollocks?
I'm not totally confident 12.9 isn't beyond my ability. :( |
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