stilover

GT-R is an Auto only, which is why I didn't buy one when they first came out.

I'd think about a 911. But would want either a Turbo or GT3.

Jayjay100

When u put it like that I can see wear you are coming from.
It's just a car I have always wanted . That & a skyline gtr .
A mate of mine has a gtr & I love it . I just sold my nitrous kit to him. Like he needs more power lol.
The 911 gt3, mmmmm wellyes & no on that car some days I like them some days I don't . But then these type of cars are well out of my pay grade .

Littleted

Think they all use REVO mate

I'm pretty sure Leo's sold his or is selling and buying an a45 or cla45
The cars are ok but dull, unsure why but quite a few have sold them only after a few months.

I think the R is where my money would be if it was a 30k car, although I've just seen a lot of clutch issue on the R forums appearing on the manuals....

A REVO stage one R can keep up with a rebellion tuned A45 due to weight differences, that's 360 vs 420..... Thinks there between 100 to 150kg diff in The cars dep if it's got glass roof

Just seen the new Rs3 ... All I'll say is you can't polish a turd, no matter what Audi do the 3 series does not look great... Let's hope they tweak it a little

stilover

Before they've even built it? Ok McFly

jods

Got it and love it. Sold the scooby in a heartbeat on auto trader. She's gone to a family in Cardiff.

Littleted

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Secret-...Mercs-A45-AMG/


Sure it's not built eh

Harryr34

iTrader: (9)

There are a few options being used by r owners out there; I believe revo do a ecu flash, DTUK and TMC offer tuning boxes...

I was leaning towards a manual r but after a short test drive in a DSG equipped car I went for the DSG so should be ok on the clutch front...

I went for all the options bar the panoramic roof as I didn't want all that extra weight...

stilover

Well, if that is the next RS3, Audi are not listening to it's customers then. The last RS3 was Sportback and DSG. Most of the car forums were saying they wanted 3 doors and a manual gearbox. Think most of those people now are wanting Saloon and Manual, to make it like the old RS4 Saloon.

If that's what Audi are going to offer, I think I'll be hanging onto my R8 for a while yet.

Littleted

I doubt they will release a 3 door super hatch, or if they do it will be with a 5 door. Its targeting the A45/Golf R market thus needs to stay at least viable for a family and also the Singleton.

I admit the 3 door looks best. Im sure they will tweak it someway or other and make the inside awesome, Audi are good at that.

im in the mindset Audi need to do something along the lines as what Ford did with the Focus RS compared to the Focus..

The snippet just doesn't look anything other than a 20 Inch wheel A3, the S3 is LTD to 18s.

Im sure time will tell.

thenewgalaxy

The R400 Golf will apparently be offered in auto and manual form, either three or five doors. I suspect the next RS3 will have the same engine...

Karl_mac_

I had the DSG fitted to my MK5 GTI and it was amazing. Having it mapped made even bigger improvements.

Jerkyness or hunting gears is normally a sign of a failing mechantronics issue.

Never been a fan of the R/S3. The RS3 had a nice sounding engine but was an understeery turd. The S3 just never seemed like good value againts the R32 or Edition 30

Karl_mac_

There will always be a push onto DSG. It helps massively with EU testings.

LEO-RS

I went for the DTUK tuning box mate. It's a German DTE box that has been tweaked and rebranded for the UK market. It works very well and has a few advantages over the remap route, namely TD1 warranty flagging. You'll keep your warranty with a tuning box, will be tricky to keep your warranty with a remap.

Golf R and S3 have different ECU's, the ECU in the Golf R has been cracked and as you know revo are offering a stage 1 remap. APR are not far behind and testing theirs at the moment. S3 wise, there are no remaps at all, we HAVE to use tuning boxes.

I went head to head with an APR Golf R and a Revo Golf R a week past Sunday..



Audi S3 with DTUK tuning box (360hp) - 12.00 @ 117.2mph
Golf R APR Stage 1 (360hp) - 12.21 @ 113.9mph
Golf R Revo Stage 1 (365hp) - 12.25 @ 115.1mph

Same day, same track and conditions. Okay, two different cars but the tuning boxes clearly performing well.

Tuning boxes have their limitations though, can't really go beyond Stage 1 and it will still hit the speed limiter so I will have to change over at some point although I will probably swap cars again before that point.

LEO-RS

It had to come, now in the 11sec club....



Standard exhaust, intake and intercooler running on road tyres at full weight. 11.90 is moving some, nippy little cars these S3's

john banks

Well done, 11s are not easy! Was it just different weather or more tweaks? How much boost?

cuprajake

iTrader: (11)

dsg wasn't for me, manual everytime

only benefit it has is it takes more power out the box..

Littleted

Leo u still buying a merc?

LEO-RS

Map tweak John,

There are 4 maps on the box, map 1 being the least aggressive, map 4 being the most aggressive.

Map 4 requires octane booster otherwise it runs slower than map 3. Too much timing pull and my terminal speeds suffered by about 4mph when I tested previously when used with 99 only.

All my previous runs had been done with map 3 on octane booster, I hadn't tried map 4 with the stuff. Octane booster appears to add 2-3mph to the terminal speeds and it runs more consistent, it appears to suppress heatsoak and maintain horsepower much better too. Running on standard intercooler, the engine will soon heatsoak after 4-5 back to back runs. Octane booster helps a lot here.

So yeah, just taking advantage of the extra timing map hence the increase in terminal speed and decrease in elapsed time.

Littleted, not at the moment, I was very close with my CLA45 AMG order but had last minute doubts, on hold until the new year and looking at ordering then with a view to pick one up March 15 delivery. I also wanted to hold off as news of the next RS3 is due next month.

LEO-RS

Boost around 1.45bar John (standard 1.2bar)

Due to the tuning box, the ecu still reads the standard 1.2 bar values but the box adds about 0.25bar as far as I know.

john banks

Do you know if the box just modifies the MAP sensor? How many plugs/wires?

LEO-RS

Three sensors John,

Two boost and 1 camshaft. I am not 100% sure how it works but my suspicions are its fooling the boost sensors into believing boost is not meeting its requested target and then adapting to meet that request. ECU asks for 1.2 bar, sensor tells it it's only seeing 1 bar so the turbo boosts harder to meet that 1.2 bar. Real boost pressure now 1.4bar. The safeguards and fuelling being controlled by the ecu as normal and adapting. That is my understanding of how these boxes work but I'm sure there's more to it than that given there is 3 sensors being manipulated.

It's a crude way of doing it for sure but at the moment, there are no remap solutions out for the S3. I guess the ECU's these days are clever enough to adapt and as it's still in full control, the safeguards are still in place.

No denying, these boxes are producing the results though and there have been no hiccups, misfires, limp modes, coughs, splutters, noises, or anything like that. It runs smoothly like stock.

Edit... Upper boost sensor is at inlet manifold, lower boost sensor appears to be just before intercooler.

john banks

Can you tell if it intercepts/adjusts the camshaft sensor or is it just using it as an RPM pickup?

LEO-RS

I believe it adjusts the camshaft sensor as map 1 and 3 are purely increases in boost, retaining stock timing maps.

Map 2 and map 4 are files that alter timing based on maps 1 and 3. Map 2 being map 1 with a different timing curve, map 4 being map 3 with different timing curve.

john banks

So without octane booster, which most people won't want to use, sounds like just a boost raise. Probably doesn't need an RPM reference, just modifies the pre and post throttle boost sensors so they don't throw plausibility codes. I expect the ECU could spot this tuning box based on max fuel flow, max air flow.

Does mean that some DIY tuning should be possible though.

john banks

Craig, how do you find the ride comfort and noise levels - say compared to your M5? Is the suspension adjustable out the box? How do you see VFM vs the Golf R?

S8 is tempting me, it does 11.8 @ 118 best on a presumably well prepped US drag strip, S3 with a tuning box would not be noticeably different, but it isn't all about acceleration.