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21 August 2014, 02:22 PM
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Same as Iraq really, there was a fairly big coalition (about 50 countries) that was led by also US/UK
21 August 2014, 02:33 PM
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It's also worth noting that the Clinton was dragged 'kicking and screaming' in the Kosovo by Blair, who wanted the ethnic clensing of Muslims to be stopped.
21 August 2014, 04:27 PM
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21 August 2014, 04:44 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by media bias (in this instance)
21 August 2014, 04:46 PM
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21 August 2014, 05:04 PM
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Would you describe Mohammad and his early followers as "bad people first and foremost"?
21 August 2014, 06:04 PM
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Well evidence is not exactly available to us mere mortals either way, but Putin always maintained there was more evidence pointing to the rebels using the chemical weapons in that instance than Assad. This was of course initially denied by the US, but later even members of the CIA and Obama's administration have admitted that it is more likely that the rebels were responsible although the official line remains that it was Assad.
The most telling thing, as was pointed out by the more sensible media organisations, is that the whole event was suddenly dropped by the likes of Cameron and Obama whereas initially they were repeatedly calling for it to be fully investigated. That probably tells you all you need to know!
The most telling thing, as was pointed out by the more sensible media organisations, is that the whole event was suddenly dropped by the likes of Cameron and Obama whereas initially they were repeatedly calling for it to be fully investigated. That probably tells you all you need to know!
21 August 2014, 06:20 PM
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It tells me you have a very selective interpretation of the aggregate available information on this subject, from whichever media or other sources you might care to mention. Outside of Seymour Hersh and the Russians, pretty much nobody made any serious claim that the rebels were behind the attack, let alone tried to put forward any halfway convincing evidence that they were. As for why the event was 'suddenly dropped', as you put it, your selective interpretation seems to be going into massive overdrive again. It was only dropped when Syria agreed to the supervised removal and destruction of its entire chemical weapon stock, not because anyone had lost interest in the subject.
Cameron's and Obama's administrations were still talking about investigating the chemical attack long after Assad agreed to the decommissioning of chemical weapons!
Then one day the CIA pop up and say ... hmmm we're not so sure now and nothing more is heard of it from anyone! Buried like so many things that don't suit certain countries' agendas!
21 August 2014, 06:31 PM
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You, like so many, really do swallow all this Western media crap don't you? Well carry on if it makes you feel better. In fact you probably think Israel are in the right too
Cameron's and Obama's administrations were still talking about investigating the chemical attack long after Assad agreed to the decommissioning of chemical weapons!
Then one day Seymour Hersh spouts a few snippets of quotes from CIA sources out of context making it sound like we're not so sure now and nothing more is heard of it from anyone! Buried like so many things that don't suit certain countries' agendas!
Cameron's and Obama's administrations were still talking about investigating the chemical attack long after Assad agreed to the decommissioning of chemical weapons!
Then one day Seymour Hersh spouts a few snippets of quotes from CIA sources out of context making it sound like we're not so sure now and nothing more is heard of it from anyone! Buried like so many things that don't suit certain countries' agendas!
21 August 2014, 07:42 PM
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IS proclaim to be fighting for the formation of an independent Islamic state, much like how the Ukranian separatists are fighting for the formation of a state away from the central Ukraine. Both groups fight for a similar goal and yet one is described by tHe media as separatists/rebels and the other as terrorists.
21 August 2014, 07:52 PM
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IS proclaim to be fighting for the formation of an independent Islamic state, much like how the Ukranian separatists are fighting for the formation of a state away from the central Ukraine. Both groups fight for a similar goal and yet one is described by tHe media as separatists/rebels and the other as terrorists.
I think you should read some of the reports from independent journalist on the horrors that are being carried out by IS.
They are not interested in creating a small Islamic state, they want to expand and expand, their ambition goes far beyond Iraq and Syria.
They have little on no local support, they've murder tribal leaders and ethnically clensed entire areas.
I'm sorry but it's just daft to compare Ukraine with IS. IS are terrorist in every sense of the words, as their action clearly show
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21 August 2014, 08:04 PM
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The rebels in Ukriane are by definition separatist.
IS are terrorists, they are not fighting separation from someone, or somehwere, they are by all foul means trying to create a medieval state from which very few of them actually come. A state that will have no borders.
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