What's it worth: 2005 JDM Hawkeye Widetrack
09 August 2014, 04:31 PM
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Im not saying that the JDM hawk is loads better, two similar powered hawks(JDM v UK) there would not be that much in it in a straight line, handling there pretty much the same, and they have the same brakes, so when you look at it, should it be worth more money then a UK car??
Well the answer is yes it is worth more money then a UK car, look on the classifieds and count how many JDM STi's are for sale at any given time, so there a lot rarer then the UK car obviously!!
But you got to consider the JDM has a stronger engine(no rebuilds here), cheaper road tax, and much rarer then a UK car, plus it does not sound like every other chavy impreza with the common scooby burble, so yes I would pay a extra £2-4k over a UK car just for that, as you would be paying that extra £2-4k for a engine rebuild on a 2.5.
09 August 2014, 04:32 PM
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Not for me it doesn't. They're both cheap jap cars, one is intended for the UK market, and the other isn't. I live in the UK.
If I wanted a 400+ BHP 4 doored, 4WD car, I could get something like this for the ~£14K that you seem to think the impreza is worth. They're really not in the same league.
If I wanted a 400+ BHP 4 doored, 4WD car, I could get something like this for the ~£14K that you seem to think the impreza is worth. They're really not in the same league.
09 August 2014, 04:33 PM
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09 August 2014, 05:43 PM
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. 
IMO I couldn't and wouldn't compare a SPEC D (as per example) with my car specifically or a JDM Hawkeye in general. They are very different and the pricing relates to things other than what you see (reliability, tunabilty, maintenance, running costs and exclusivity etc). For what it's worth, this (my) car has probably been the cheapest performance car I have ever had to run...... for a performance car it's been rock solid. Insurance for me (all mods and power level declared) is currently £295. All of this really relates to a different discussion imo.
The reason for asking for peoples considered opinion by demographic, was to gauge some form of sensibility. Current owners maybe biased.
Another thing......
I have "thought" about chopping this car in, but with whatever money I would get back, what could I buy that gives me the same emotion, stress free and cheap performance thrills - that's the $64 million dollar question. One that I have always returned with the same answer..... nothing.
That RS4 would be boring compared to my Hawkeye and slower.
My old MY03 SPEC C @ 370bhp left those for dead around Snetterton, when I was running in competition at Tuner GP in 2006.
I'm a performance freak and because of my history with ScoobyNet, pretty much all scoobied up and probably for life.
Anyway.......
The £9k being mooted is an interesting point and, imo, a bit of a leveller in comparison to the other prices being put forward.
Personally I don't think my Hawkeye is worth £14-15k, especially when it cost me £14k 4yrs ago. Perhaps that was way too cheap - I thought it was bang on the money and priced to sell.
I think somewhere between £10-12k to sell. I reason I say this, is because this car is 9yrs old. It's not new and it's not mint - it's a drivers car that's meant to be driven!
Perhaps other non JDM owners don't want to post their view, in case they get shot down...... fill your boost ladies and gents. It's a discussion forum. I for one certainly won't get offended.
IMO I couldn't and wouldn't compare a SPEC D (as per example) with my car specifically or a JDM Hawkeye in general. They are very different and the pricing relates to things other than what you see (reliability, tunabilty, maintenance, running costs and exclusivity etc). For what it's worth, this (my) car has probably been the cheapest performance car I have ever had to run...... for a performance car it's been rock solid. Insurance for me (all mods and power level declared) is currently £295.
All of this really relates to a different discussion imo. The reason for asking for peoples considered opinion by demographic, was to gauge some form of sensibility. Current owners maybe biased.
Another thing......
I have "thought" about chopping this car in, but with whatever money I would get back, what could I buy that gives me the same emotion, stress free and cheap performance thrills - that's the $64 million dollar question. One that I have always returned with the same answer..... nothing.
That RS4 would be boring compared to my Hawkeye and slower.
My old MY03 SPEC C @ 370bhp left those for dead around Snetterton, when I was running in competition at Tuner GP in 2006.
I'm a performance freak and because of my history with ScoobyNet, pretty much all scoobied up and probably for life.
Anyway.......
The £9k being mooted is an interesting point and, imo, a bit of a leveller in comparison to the other prices being put forward.
Personally I don't think my Hawkeye is worth £14-15k, especially when it cost me £14k 4yrs ago. Perhaps that was way too cheap - I thought it was bang on the money and priced to sell.
I think somewhere between £10-12k to sell. I reason I say this, is because this car is 9yrs old. It's not new and it's not mint - it's a drivers car that's meant to be driven!
Perhaps other non JDM owners don't want to post their view, in case they get shot down...... fill your boost ladies and gents. It's a discussion forum.
I for one certainly won't get offended.
09 August 2014, 05:53 PM
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£10k you say??? Got a wad of cash here waiting!!
I sold my 06 UK hawk STi for £10k couple of months ago with 61k miles on the clock, The car was mint, and most the money had been spent on making it look nice, engine wise it had a exhaust, remap, fmic, filter etc.
I thought I did ok getting the money for it, but been looking at JDM hawks ever since and I would not expect to get one for the same price I sold my hawk sti for.
But then again my mate bought a JDM hawk STi with less then 40k miles on and some nice mods for £10.2k last year, so I guess there out there, but in the last 2 months ive been looking I have not seen a decent JDM hawk for less then £12k come up for sale!!!
I sold my 06 UK hawk STi for £10k couple of months ago with 61k miles on the clock, The car was mint, and most the money had been spent on making it look nice, engine wise it had a exhaust, remap, fmic, filter etc.
I thought I did ok getting the money for it, but been looking at JDM hawks ever since and I would not expect to get one for the same price I sold my hawk sti for
.But then again my mate bought a JDM hawk STi with less then 40k miles on and some nice mods for £10.2k last year, so I guess there out there, but in the last 2 months ive been looking I have not seen a decent JDM hawk for less then £12k come up for sale!!!
09 August 2014, 05:56 PM
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but would shaun really take 12k for his car if he's selling it i think you've under priced it mate doesnt matter what you paid for it several years ago certain cars demand a premium i would say the 2.0 jdm twinscroll is one of them
so the house you bought 10 years ago say for 30k would you still let it go for 30k ????
so the house you bought 10 years ago say for 30k would you still let it go for 30k ????
09 August 2014, 07:47 PM
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Bodski,
Admittedly, they certainly appear to hold their values in general, far better. It's always a buyers market though, and above all, it's the buyer that ultimately sets the prices.
Xline,
The mileage would be an added bonus, but not the be all and end all.
Money spent is a moot point to me. It's what the car is when sold as a package, and what the market stands at that time. I always totally write off the cost of these types of cars and any money spent on them. But that's just my personal approach.
These are enthusiasts cars, so one would expect knowledge about these specific models to be known by a specialist buyer. If not, that's a potential that any buyer would miss out on.
The RS4 is a very nice car, but it's a totally different marque and type of car. Which for me personally is quite boring. Not dissing the RS4, but an enthusiasts car it isn't to me. I'm a full on 80's Cosworth boy, so you'll probably appreciate my turbo screamer appreciation, with all the Carlos Fandango chav bits.
A motorbike is not practical for me..... been there and done that. I couldn't be arsed to keep putting all the gear on every time I used it, so decided to switch to performance 4 wheels over 15yrs ago. If I had more space in the garage I'd probably get another one just for the odd weekend blast.
I know this car inside and out, I have a lot of contacts in the trade and I know how reliable it's been. Most importantly it still makes me grin when I drive it. I know one should never say never, but I'd be hard pushed to get shot.
Admittedly, they certainly appear to hold their values in general, far better. It's always a buyers market though, and above all, it's the buyer that ultimately sets the prices.
Xline,
The mileage would be an added bonus, but not the be all and end all.
Money spent is a moot point to me. It's what the car is when sold as a package, and what the market stands at that time. I always totally write off the cost of these types of cars and any money spent on them. But that's just my personal approach.
These are enthusiasts cars, so one would expect knowledge about these specific models to be known by a specialist buyer. If not, that's a potential that any buyer would miss out on.
The RS4 is a very nice car, but it's a totally different marque and type of car. Which for me personally is quite boring. Not dissing the RS4, but an enthusiasts car it isn't to me. I'm a full on 80's Cosworth boy, so you'll probably appreciate my turbo screamer appreciation, with all the Carlos Fandango chav bits.
A motorbike is not practical for me..... been there and done that. I couldn't be arsed to keep putting all the gear on every time I used it, so decided to switch to performance 4 wheels over 15yrs ago. If I had more space in the garage I'd probably get another one just for the odd weekend blast.
I know this car inside and out, I have a lot of contacts in the trade and I know how reliable it's been. Most importantly it still makes me grin when I drive it. I know one should never say never, but I'd be hard pushed to get shot.
09 August 2014, 08:39 PM
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lets be fair how we ALL value our cars we look on PH,AT, etc etc see what dealers/traders ask for any car, we then try to sell it privately below what the dealers ask thinking we get a grand more, the new purchaser saves a grand etc etc however we all have the dreamers wasters people who dont know these cars we then end up trading in or if we are lucky get the asking price however when we part x the dealers then have the advertising (could be months) then they put a warranty on then then get the stone chips any corrections done and they also end up taking in another part x they also offer finance which is a big part in selling any car
09 August 2014, 09:55 PM
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First rule of driving - keep the bl**dy thing on the road.
4.7 IS slow compared to what Shaun's must be capable of - and being a Subaru it will hold the road, not like that overpowered example you've linked to.
It's also a fair few years (and miles) older, far less practical (family-friendly etc) and as such is very much a fan's car. If you're not in the market for one, you won't be interested imo.
The RS4 won't hold (indeed hasn't held) its value as well, and my above comments re. the Vauxhall (the way back after it's left the road) clearly apply , given Shaun's comment about performance on the circuit against a JDM Hawk's ancestor.
In my earlier post I was going to give buyer scenarios but since Shaun had more or less done that I didn't bother.
You would have been in the 'looking for a performance car, not necessarily a Subaru category', that person which I suggested would have thought 'pricey and I can get one from a dealer - with all the benefits and protection - for that'.
Not being unkind at all, there are people that look and listen to ads (it's all Audi, BMW etc. because of course Subaru never went big on how good their machines are) and/or simply think 'Jap=if not crap then lesser engineering'.
Fwiw my scenarios would have had 'you' ie someone with your viewpoint (again not being unkind in any way) being prepared to pay no more than about £11K.
I think your viewpoint is very valid, perhaps even exactly the sort of thing the op was after, in order to get the fullest range of views. It's just a pity that you explicitly stated the Spec D as a better option, instead of saying that some (non-Subaru, man on the street) might think so.
Thread's good though imo.
Fwiw I don't think the op would get what I think it's worth - unless I was in the market for it of course !
And I'll be in the same boat in a year or so.
And as someone's said, we all think (and hope) the best when we price our cars.
4.7 IS slow compared to what Shaun's must be capable of - and being a Subaru it will hold the road, not like that overpowered example you've linked to.
It's also a fair few years (and miles) older, far less practical (family-friendly etc) and as such is very much a fan's car. If you're not in the market for one, you won't be interested imo.
The RS4 won't hold (indeed hasn't held) its value as well, and my above comments re. the Vauxhall (the way back after it's left the road) clearly apply , given Shaun's comment about performance on the circuit against a JDM Hawk's ancestor.
In my earlier post I was going to give buyer scenarios but since Shaun had more or less done that I didn't bother.
You would have been in the 'looking for a performance car, not necessarily a Subaru category', that person which I suggested would have thought 'pricey and I can get one from a dealer - with all the benefits and protection - for that'.
Not being unkind at all, there are people that look and listen to ads (it's all Audi, BMW etc. because of course Subaru never went big on how good their machines are) and/or simply think 'Jap=if not crap then lesser engineering'.
Fwiw my scenarios would have had 'you' ie someone with your viewpoint (again not being unkind in any way) being prepared to pay no more than about £11K.
I think your viewpoint is very valid, perhaps even exactly the sort of thing the op was after, in order to get the fullest range of views. It's just a pity that you explicitly stated the Spec D as a better option, instead of saying that some (non-Subaru, man on the street) might think so.
Thread's good though imo.
Fwiw I don't think the op would get what I think it's worth - unless I was in the market for it of course !
And I'll be in the same boat in a year or so.
And as someone's said, we all think (and hope) the best when we price our cars.
09 August 2014, 10:21 PM
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just sold my uk 2.5 forged for jdm money.if i was to do it all over again it would without a shadow of a doubt be the uk forged.reason being im old and all this neck snapping talk of the jdm would literally snap my neck.torque and more torque of the 2.5 all the way for me
10 August 2014, 07:05 AM
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I get part of what Xline is saying even though his choice of comparable vehicles is a fair bit wide of the mark, for those of us a little more in the know what he doesn't realise is that his examples actually serve to prove that Shauns car is worth a few £k more, certainly than the 80k spec d and I too wouldn't touch the RS4 with someone else's pole.
Thing is Shauns car is heading towards the top of the tree in terms of the best of Subaru offerings, although as stated by Shaun it is getting on a bit now.
As for value it's a tricky one, TBH I wouldn't buy it unless it was at a bargain price which for me would be around £8/9k reason being, it's been modded to the very top of what's considered to be the safe limit and has no doubt been driven accordingly, as such it could be subject to a catastrophic failure at any time, I'd want to make sure I had a spare few £k to fix it if that were to happen and some of the figures being quoted ie £15k are just way over the top and I wonder how many would actually get that out for this car should the opportunity arise.
I would however consider parting with £12k if it was just lightly mapped within the safe limits of the original turbo in unmarked mint condition with the same milage.
Excessive mods don't add value, they add risk.
So for me it would be the same as buying a 2.5L it would need to be bloody cheap before i'd take the leap.
Thing is Shauns car is heading towards the top of the tree in terms of the best of Subaru offerings, although as stated by Shaun it is getting on a bit now.
As for value it's a tricky one, TBH I wouldn't buy it unless it was at a bargain price which for me would be around £8/9k reason being, it's been modded to the very top of what's considered to be the safe limit and has no doubt been driven accordingly, as such it could be subject to a catastrophic failure at any time, I'd want to make sure I had a spare few £k to fix it if that were to happen and some of the figures being quoted ie £15k are just way over the top and I wonder how many would actually get that out for this car should the opportunity arise.
I would however consider parting with £12k if it was just lightly mapped within the safe limits of the original turbo in unmarked mint condition with the same milage.
Excessive mods don't add value, they add risk.
So for me it would be the same as buying a 2.5L it would need to be bloody cheap before i'd take the leap.
10 August 2014, 09:53 AM
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https://www.scoobynet.com/other-marq...e-2-fmdsh.html
Most the ones ive seen for £14-15k seem to be CAT D cars or ones with over 100k miles!!
10 August 2014, 10:29 AM
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Why? I have 3 other cars in the household, and 2 bikes, and a boat. My Scooby sits there and does **** all. I don't really want it going over 50K.
By 'keep it on the road' I mean don't go off (while driving) !
(which one?)
The VX of course.
Audi (like Subaru as it happens) has a reputation for balanced performance ie. power and the handling to cater for it.
If all every car needed was straightline performance we'd be happy.
I wouldn't be happy throwing something like that VX into a corner at half the power it's capable of, but I would the others.
As above, first rule - keep it on the road (and at speeds commensurate with the power, we can all do 10mph around roundabouts).
and 4.7 is slow compared to a bike. 2.9 is what I've played with from a single RWD. Yes, it's not so good on the corners, but it'll blow away most cars from the lights unless it's some very serious exotica costing as much as my house.
But unfortunately not every road a) has lights to accommodate your view of the general off-the-line performance of a bike against a car's; and b) is long and straight enough to allow that bike's performance to continue to support your comment.
Slightly ashamed to say that I got ratty with a biker once (won't go into the reasons). He/she p!ssed away from me after a roundabout. 500 yards up the road I p!ssed all over them.
Oh, forgot to add c) - is always dry
Are you buying cars for investment, or to drive? :| If for investment, then put it in your garage, and leave it there. The RS4 is, as I've said before, a different league for the same money (14K)
You can do both - and I am
I've not driven an RS4, nor the op's car. I can only go on mine (used as a Scenario 2 example).
Anyway, I was talking about percentage of original price.
Got any stats on which has held its value best?
How much was an RS4 and how much a JDM Hawk (granted op's has had work done) ?
I didn't say better, I used it as a random example of a similar STi I found in about 20 seconds on AutoTrader. Same colour, and seemingly good condition. What makes Shaun's 5K better ?
Fair comment that you didn't say it (explicitly) but most surely you were using it to get that same point over, otherwise why use it as an example to support your view and (reasoned) argument?
By 'keep it on the road' I mean don't go off (while driving) !
(which one?)
The VX of course.
Audi (like Subaru as it happens) has a reputation for balanced performance ie. power and the handling to cater for it.
If all every car needed was straightline performance we'd be happy.
I wouldn't be happy throwing something like that VX into a corner at half the power it's capable of, but I would the others.
As above, first rule - keep it on the road (and at speeds commensurate with the power, we can all do 10mph around roundabouts).
and 4.7 is slow compared to a bike. 2.9 is what I've played with from a single RWD. Yes, it's not so good on the corners, but it'll blow away most cars from the lights unless it's some very serious exotica costing as much as my house.
But unfortunately not every road a) has lights to accommodate your view of the general off-the-line performance of a bike against a car's; and b) is long and straight enough to allow that bike's performance to continue to support your comment.
Slightly ashamed to say that I got ratty with a biker once (won't go into the reasons). He/she p!ssed away from me after a roundabout. 500 yards up the road I p!ssed all over them.
Oh, forgot to add c) - is always dry
Are you buying cars for investment, or to drive? :| If for investment, then put it in your garage, and leave it there. The RS4 is, as I've said before, a different league for the same money (14K)
You can do both - and I am
I've not driven an RS4, nor the op's car. I can only go on mine (used as a Scenario 2 example).
Anyway, I was talking about percentage of original price.
Got any stats on which has held its value best?
How much was an RS4 and how much a JDM Hawk (granted op's has had work done) ?
I didn't say better, I used it as a random example of a similar STi I found in about 20 seconds on AutoTrader. Same colour, and seemingly good condition. What makes Shaun's 5K better ?
Fair comment that you didn't say it (explicitly) but most surely you were using it to get that same point over, otherwise why use it as an example to support your view and (reasoned) argument?
I'd be happy - and ideally suited to - having a JDM Hawk as a part-ex for mine (better alternative to a Spec D, although I'd certainly consider that), not too happy about an RS4, given costs and I certainly wouldn't entertain a VX220.
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10 August 2014, 10:40 AM
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I bought an '03 7 year ago for 12.5K. I've hardly even looked at it for 4 of those. A lot has happened in the meantime. Widetracks, and DCCD were not even on my radar ... and I note that not many people have much to say about it
Does the lack of response give you the idea that DCCD and wider track aren't of much interest and therefore shouldn't be used as a reason for paying more for a car perhaps?
10 August 2014, 01:49 PM
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Very true about how they save your face (and a$$).
I was still getting the feel for mine when I put the power down a tad too early (or too much) exiting a roundabout.
Slithered like a snake for about 100yds up the road but never moved out of lane.
One big bonus as I've mentioned before - very safe car.
Prevention's better than cure, and it keeps you out of some of the trouble that Swedish cars can best help with.
I was still getting the feel for mine when I put the power down a tad too early (or too much) exiting a roundabout.
Slithered like a snake for about 100yds up the road but never moved out of lane.
One big bonus as I've mentioned before - very safe car.
Prevention's better than cure, and it keeps you out of some of the trouble that Swedish cars can best help with.
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