Mappers - A law Unto Themselves ?
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Mappers a law unto themselves - I would say the majority most definitely.
My experience with a very well known mapper on here was not so good.
After this i decided being a fully time served mechanic i would do a bit of research and have a look at what he had actually changed.
Now i wont go into every little detail as i will bore a lot of u but i was not happy to say the least.
Now here is the main thing that gets me about this scene is the extraordinary prices these people charge for them to basically re flash ur ecu with probably someone elses' base tune. Then we get to the launch control and flatfoot shifting i was offered for £50 each - well i declined as this is my daily driver but now i know these things are just a patch they apply to the file.
Again a could probably understand the cost if the individuals had written their own code and patching software and then also calibrate these things fully so their full potential can be used. I have read 5 different peoples maps who have paid the extra money for these things only to find they have used the sharptune patching software that is free to download of the internet, and do we think every time they use these things they actually donate money to the person who actually spent the hundreds of hours coding these things???
My experience with a very well known mapper on here was not so good.
After this i decided being a fully time served mechanic i would do a bit of research and have a look at what he had actually changed.
Now i wont go into every little detail as i will bore a lot of u but i was not happy to say the least.
Now here is the main thing that gets me about this scene is the extraordinary prices these people charge for them to basically re flash ur ecu with probably someone elses' base tune. Then we get to the launch control and flatfoot shifting i was offered for £50 each - well i declined as this is my daily driver but now i know these things are just a patch they apply to the file.
Again a could probably understand the cost if the individuals had written their own code and patching software and then also calibrate these things fully so their full potential can be used. I have read 5 different peoples maps who have paid the extra money for these things only to find they have used the sharptune patching software that is free to download of the internet, and do we think every time they use these things they actually donate money to the person who actually spent the hundreds of hours coding these things???
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Now here is the main thing that gets me about this scene is the extraordinary prices these people charge for them to basically re flash ur ecu with probably someone elses' base tune. Then we get to the launch control and flatfoot shifting i was offered for £50 each - well i declined as this is my daily driver but now i know these things are just a patch they apply to the file.
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That's bollox, the ecu in question was faulty, it dropped onto three cylinders when warm.
We reported this to the customer after mapping as it was found on road test, cold day, heaters on and the fault appeared, customer wanted a little time to decide what to do.
Sunday came, I decided in my own time and completely free of charge to take a look at the ecu, with a heat gun and a can of electrical freezer spray I soon located a faulty injector driver, swapped it out and fixed the ecu,
Thats why the ecu had NO faults when you got hold of it !!, we had fixed it free of charge.
Customer decided to upgrade to a different ecu as although repaired he was worried about future reliability issues.
Cheers
Kev
We reported this to the customer after mapping as it was found on road test, cold day, heaters on and the fault appeared, customer wanted a little time to decide what to do.
Sunday came, I decided in my own time and completely free of charge to take a look at the ecu, with a heat gun and a can of electrical freezer spray I soon located a faulty injector driver, swapped it out and fixed the ecu,
Thats why the ecu had NO faults when you got hold of it !!, we had fixed it free of charge.
Customer decided to upgrade to a different ecu as although repaired he was worried about future reliability issues.
Cheers
Kev
That is not the story that was peddled from yourselves in the last post i made about it a few years ago
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Whoops.
I still miss my scooby from time to time, but that **** old MG ZS180 just keeps on running fine, never costs me anything but fuel and keeps passing MOT`s
Its been overdue its cambelt change since about 2009 and i refuse to spend the cash on it, LOL
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Alan yes that's what i was trying to say but you have put it more eloquently than i have.
I took me maybe over 10 hrs to do my first map driving up and down in all different load areas using a map tracer and adjust each accordingly as i went along.
Most of the maps i have seen have had the timing, boost and fuel adjustments in WOT areas and then just interpolated the rest, i am sure if that was a good way of doing these types of calibrations then Subaru would have done this and saved themselves probably millions in research and development.
I took me maybe over 10 hrs to do my first map driving up and down in all different load areas using a map tracer and adjust each accordingly as i went along.
Most of the maps i have seen have had the timing, boost and fuel adjustments in WOT areas and then just interpolated the rest, i am sure if that was a good way of doing these types of calibrations then Subaru would have done this and saved themselves probably millions in research and development.
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Now here is the main thing that gets me about this scene is the extraordinary prices these people charge for them to basically re flash ur ecu with probably someone elses' base tune. Then we get to the launch control and flatfoot shifting i was offered for £50 each - well i declined as this is my daily driver but now i know these things are just a patch they apply to the file.
flat pedal shifting is not that easy though, as far as I understand, because you need to install a switch below the clutch pedal and feed that in to the ecu etc, so, 50 quid for that, granted it includes parts and labor, is a fair price.
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Listen to you guys moaning about the cost. LMAO!
I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head.
Did you ask and agree the price before work commenced? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Did you try and get it done cheaper elsewhere? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Talk to a few mappers and get an idea of what they charge for basically the same job. There's isn't much difference.
And why is that?
Because that is what a good job costs.
I think it was Allan Jeffrey that said... Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick just two.
I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head.
Did you ask and agree the price before work commenced? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Did you try and get it done cheaper elsewhere? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Talk to a few mappers and get an idea of what they charge for basically the same job. There's isn't much difference.
And why is that?
Because that is what a good job costs.
I think it was Allan Jeffrey that said... Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick just two.
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[QUOTE=netbeast;11475891]I am telling you - a lot of people think, that buying an ECUTEK licence for 150 (is it?) quid and then spending 200 quid for a "map" is a great price, very cheap and gives a lot of pleasure, so they say.
Hi
an ECUTEK map is still the same mapping cost as a open source £350 then you pay the license fee on top so most ECUTEK maps are over £500 the mapper i used also uses ECUTEK so i got the same map just didn't pay a licence to have the ECUTEK name.
I agree if a switch HAS to be fitted then yes the £50 is not bad for flat foot shift - HOWEVER on person i know had it done and was charged extra for switch wire and half an hours lab at £40ph so his £50 flat foot shift cost him just over £100
Hi
an ECUTEK map is still the same mapping cost as a open source £350 then you pay the license fee on top so most ECUTEK maps are over £500 the mapper i used also uses ECUTEK so i got the same map just didn't pay a licence to have the ECUTEK name.
I agree if a switch HAS to be fitted then yes the £50 is not bad for flat foot shift - HOWEVER on person i know had it done and was charged extra for switch wire and half an hours lab at £40ph so his £50 flat foot shift cost him just over £100
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Over the years I have used
Duncan
Simon
Bob R
And have been happy with the maps I received from all of them.
That is my personal experience.
I think of map like a ball of clay
It starts as a square and first map rounds it into the rough ball.
Subsequent maps refine the ball, smooth it out.
Duncan
Simon
Bob R
And have been happy with the maps I received from all of them.
That is my personal experience.
I think of map like a ball of clay
It starts as a square and first map rounds it into the rough ball.
Subsequent maps refine the ball, smooth it out.
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I really don't know how these things can be measured due to the mods you are individually making but Simon at JGM has made mine like a scalded cat, many thanks to the previous owner.
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Listen to you guys moaning about the cost. LMAO!
I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head.
Did you ask and agree the price before work commenced? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Did you try and get it done cheaper elsewhere? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Talk to a few mappers and get an idea of what they charge for basically the same job. There's isn't much difference.
And why is that?
Because that is what a good job costs.
I think it was Allan Jeffrey that said... Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick just two.
I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head.
Did you ask and agree the price before work commenced? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Did you try and get it done cheaper elsewhere? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Talk to a few mappers and get an idea of what they charge for basically the same job. There's isn't much difference.
And why is that?
Because that is what a good job costs.
I think it was Allan Jeffrey that said... Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick just two.
Ive had JGM map a couple of my cars and he has mapped quite a few mates cars too and have always been bang on, also some of my mates cars he was mapping until late at night to get it spot on, so I think he deserves to earn a living from mapping cars .
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Correct, Mappers have got to earn a living, we would not go to work for free or for a low wage for a job that is supposed to be a specialist job, whats the point in having the knowledge to map a car if your earning the same money as some idiot who works in a factory with no skills whats so ever!!.
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Correct, Mappers have got to earn a living, we would not go to work for free or for a low wage for a job that is supposed to be a specialist job, whats the point in having the knowledge to map a car if your earning the same money as some idiot who works in a factory with no skills whats so ever!!.
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The problem arises when you pay a 'specialist' price and receive an amateur product
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The 'fleecing' of enthusiasts is nothing new though. I recall Superchips agents charging around £600 for a bleed valve and fuel cut defencer, then passing it off as a bespoke map. An hours work and around £40 in hardware, not a bad return. Now that was a scam!
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I wonder what you do for a living???
It was the first job that come into my head that you might not need specialist skills to do!! obviously a forklift driver works in a factory and needs a license etc etc but maybe a McDonalds worker then(am i going to get flamed for this one) Dont think many Subaru owners on here work at Maccy D's!!!
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I wonder what you do for a living???
It was the first job that come into my head that you might not need specialist skills to do!! obviously a forklift driver works in a factory and needs a license etc etc but maybe a McDonalds worker then(am i going to get flamed for this one) Dont think many Subaru owners on here work at Maccy D's!!!
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I wonder what you do for a living???
It was the first job that come into my head that you might not need specialist skills to do!! obviously a forklift driver works in a factory and needs a license etc etc but maybe a McDonalds worker then(am i going to get flamed for this one) Dont think many Subaru owners on here work at Maccy D's!!!
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If your looking for a bit of a rant on your keyboard by all means carry on you muppet
Obviously your a clever man with lots of important jobs to do at work, but cant work out when someone was trying to make a comparison to someone who worked in a factory to someone who is supposed to have the expert knowledge and know how to map a car where the two skills are different and there for the 1 job pays far more then the other!!!
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Wind your neck in mate
If your looking for a bit of a rant on your keyboard by all means carry on you muppet
Obviously your a clever man with lots of important jobs to do at work, but cant work out when someone was trying to make a comparison to someone who worked in a factory to someone who is supposed to have the expert knowledge and know how to map a car where the two skills are different and there for the 1 job pays far more then the other!!!
If your looking for a bit of a rant on your keyboard by all means carry on you muppet
Obviously your a clever man with lots of important jobs to do at work, but cant work out when someone was trying to make a comparison to someone who worked in a factory to someone who is supposed to have the expert knowledge and know how to map a car where the two skills are different and there for the 1 job pays far more then the other!!!
Now you can climb down off your high horse!
I will be doing my own mapping when it comes to it and when the car goes bang I can't blame anyone else. Now where's that YouTube vid on self mapping
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I gave Duncan my 2005 wrx with 44k on it and FSH. It had no issues and was a completely standard car when I bought it. I had fitted a straight through exhaust, Sti top mount and an induction kit. Duncan raised no issues with the car when he trial ran it on the rollers and gave it back to me with 280bhp print out from Surrey rolling road. Within 100 miles the photos attached were the damage where it was found to have ran lean. Nothing else to say
Cheers Phil