Mappers a law unto themselves - I would say the majority most definitely.

My experience with a very well known mapper on here was not so good.

After this i decided being a fully time served mechanic i would do a bit of research and have a look at what he had actually changed.

Now i wont go into every little detail as i will bore a lot of u but i was not happy to say the least.

Now here is the main thing that gets me about this scene is the extraordinary prices these people charge for them to basically re flash ur ecu with probably someone elses' base tune. Then we get to the launch control and flatfoot shifting i was offered for £50 each - well i declined as this is my daily driver but now i know these things are just a patch they apply to the file.

Again a could probably understand the cost if the individuals had written their own code and patching software and then also calibrate these things fully so their full potential can be used. I have read 5 different peoples maps who have paid the extra money for these things only to find they have used the sharptune patching software that is free to download of the internet, and do we think every time they use these things they actually donate money to the person who actually spent the hundreds of hours coding these things???

 

I suspect thats one of the differences between a decent mapper and a **** ones. To map a car properly takes hours, not minutes.

 

LOL!!!!!

That is not the story that was peddled from yourselves in the last post i made about it a few years ago

 

Ahh, i got into motorbikes as a cheap means of getting to work and quickly ended up "upgrading" to a 1 litre bike as i was getting bored.

Whoops.

I still miss my scooby from time to time, but that **** old MG ZS180 just keeps on running fine, never costs me anything but fuel and keeps passing MOT`s

Its been overdue its cambelt change since about 2009 and i refuse to spend the cash on it, LOL

 

Alan yes that's what i was trying to say but you have put it more eloquently than i have.

I took me maybe over 10 hrs to do my first map driving up and down in all different load areas using a map tracer and adjust each accordingly as i went along.

Most of the maps i have seen have had the timing, boost and fuel adjustments in WOT areas and then just interpolated the rest, i am sure if that was a good way of doing these types of calibrations then Subaru would have done this and saved themselves probably millions in research and development.

 

i wonder how many mappers have read this thread and decided to keep quiet.

 

All but one by the looks of it.

 

I am telling you - a lot of people think, that buying an ECUTEK licence for 150 (is it?) quid and then spending 200 quid for a "map" is a great price, very cheap and gives a lot of pleasure, so they say.

flat pedal shifting is not that easy though, as far as I understand, because you need to install a switch below the clutch pedal and feed that in to the ecu etc, so, 50 quid for that, granted it includes parts and labor, is a fair price.

 

Listen to you guys moaning about the cost. LMAO!
I don't see anyone holding a gun to your head.

Did you ask and agree the price before work commenced? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.
Did you try and get it done cheaper elsewhere? If you did well stop moaning, if you didn't - more fool you.

Talk to a few mappers and get an idea of what they charge for basically the same job. There's isn't much difference.
And why is that?
Because that is what a good job costs.
I think it was Allan Jeffrey that said... Cheap, Fast, Reliable. Pick just two.

 

I feel a 10 pager coming on

 

[QUOTE=netbeast;11475891]I am telling you - a lot of people think, that buying an ECUTEK licence for 150 (is it?) quid and then spending 200 quid for a "map" is a great price, very cheap and gives a lot of pleasure, so they say.


Hi

an ECUTEK map is still the same mapping cost as a open source £350 then you pay the license fee on top so most ECUTEK maps are over £500 the mapper i used also uses ECUTEK so i got the same map just didn't pay a licence to have the ECUTEK name.

I agree if a switch HAS to be fitted then yes the £50 is not bad for flat foot shift - HOWEVER on person i know had it done and was charged extra for switch wire and half an hours lab at £40ph so his £50 flat foot shift cost him just over £100

 

Over the years I have used
Duncan
Simon
Bob R
And have been happy with the maps I received from all of them.
That is my personal experience.

I think of map like a ball of clay
It starts as a square and first map rounds it into the rough ball.
Subsequent maps refine the ball, smooth it out.

 

I really don't know how these things can be measured due to the mods you are individually making but Simon at JGM has made mine like a scalded cat, many thanks to the previous owner.

 

Correct, Mappers have got to earn a living, we would not go to work for free or for a low wage for a job that is supposed to be a specialist job, whats the point in having the knowledge to map a car if your earning the same money as some idiot who works in a factory with no skills whats so ever!!.

Ive had JGM map a couple of my cars and he has mapped quite a few mates cars too and have always been bang on, also some of my mates cars he was mapping until late at night to get it spot on, so I think he deserves to earn a living from mapping cars .

 

factory workers are idiots,,,only in the eyes of tossers who look down their big fat noses!

 

The problem arises when you pay a 'specialist' price and receive an amateur product

 

Exactly Matt A business model based on a bag of talent they don't posses

 

Some mappers started their careers with a laptop and a little knowledge of software. Rocket scientists they certainly weren't.
The 'fleecing' of enthusiasts is nothing new though. I recall Superchips agents charging around £600 for a bleed valve and fuel cut defencer, then passing it off as a bespoke map. An hours work and around £40 in hardware, not a bad return. Now that was a scam!

 

I wonder what you do for a living???

It was the first job that come into my head that you might not need specialist skills to do!! obviously a forklift driver works in a factory and needs a license etc etc but maybe a McDonalds worker then(am i going to get flamed for this one) Dont think many Subaru owners on here work at Maccy D's!!!

 

In this tuning game as in many walks of life, there are many that can "Talk the Talk" but only a few that can "Walk the Walk"

 

I'll spit on your ******* burger next time you pull into the drive through

 

I can't wait to see "learn how to remap a subaru" course to come up on groupon, was £499 now £19

 

I do have a forklift truck licence. I also have 25 years in the printing trade and currently run a Heidelberg 105XL 10 colour perfector with inpress control and 106 cutstar. I also have respect for anyone who does any job,,well apart from you that is!

 

I only use the car park to do doughnuts and wheel spins in anyway!!!

 

Wind your neck in mate

If your looking for a bit of a rant on your keyboard by all means carry on you muppet

Obviously your a clever man with lots of important jobs to do at work, but cant work out when someone was trying to make a comparison to someone who worked in a factory to someone who is supposed to have the expert knowledge and know how to map a car where the two skills are different and there for the 1 job pays far more then the other!!!

 

Exactly, the way I look at it is, I paid a man £350 for mapping alone to make my car perform a lot less than it did before, They do say a fool and his money and all that

Its good I can laugh about it I guess

 

Rant over
Now you can climb down off your high horse!
I will be doing my own mapping when it comes to it and when the car goes bang I can't blame anyone else. Now where's that YouTube vid on self mapping

 

Hi, Did you put on an upgraded fuel pump before mapping? As I have similar upgrades/map with the same car. All good here.
Cheers Phil

 

Mmm ive had around 12 maps over the years. Used most of the top mappers. Never had one remove a lambda from my car

 

Didn't think you was running enough power to do doughnuts John