f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

An extremely good post

tony de wonderful

Fed on a diet of Hamas propaganda, which they teach in schools and show on kids TV would the outcome be different?

An0n0m0us

OK here is a solution for you. For Israel to destroy Hamas's strength they would need to undermine it's power on the civilian population of Gaza. How do they do that? They give the Palestinians more than Hamas can therefore stopping the reliance on Hamas funded infrastructure projects.

The only way for Israel to beat Hamas is to take away their strength. Unfortunately for Israel they will never see this and their only viewpoint is to destroy Gaza until there is no where for Hamas to hide.

You can't beat a terrorist organisation in war, they will never go away. The only way to beat them is to take away what feeds them and that is their public support. You have to undermine their support.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

It's a fact that Hamas are undermining their own cause by their actions but as Anonomous states for the Palestinians they are the only game in town. Regarding the clip you've posted here's what the journalist herself had to say.

Don’t use me as your propaganda weapon

I spent a night at the Shifa hospital in Gaza two weeks ago. I was covering the situation in Gaza for my newspaper.

My story was about the Palestinian civilians who were victims of war. My article started with a story of four little boys who were killed on the beach the same day. They were playing on the beach when Israeli army hit them without any clear reason or warning. I interviewed a boy who survived from the attack. The Shifa hospital was full of women and children who were victims of this ugly war. I described their stories in detail.

During the night someone launched a rocket somewhere behind the hospital. Now this sentence from my article is spreading in the pro-Israeli medias. I mentioned this in my article because I’m a professional journalist. I try to cover the events truthfully as I see them and I strongly condemn these kind of actions.

But I find it very disgusting how this one sentence was taken out context to be used as an excuse to target civilians in Gaza. My story became quickly a tool of propaganda. The people sharing this story are not even trying to understand the situation as a whole. They are just looking for excuses to Israeli actions in Gaza.

I refuse to be part of this kind of propaganda

hodgy0_2

Probably,

your posts are simple delusional hatefilled fantasy

You don't like Muslims, we fvcking get it

jasey

Or you wipe out the public which is what Israel are doing.

dpb

I think they'll be fairly content once they've destroyed a good 50% of the infrastructure and made at least 75 % reliant on outside aid

David Lock

Why doesn't the situation regarding Israel's blockades of goods entering Gaza feature more in peace talks this time around? Surely these could be supervised by an independent third party to prevent military equipment getting into Gaza and taking a sensible view of "dual use" goods like cement for example. I don't understand why there is such a shortage of medical equipment as this is allowed through? Is if lack of funds? UK alone have given £13m to help, where is that money spent?

And the reality is that one of the blockades' aims is to prevent rockets getting to Gaza has failed spectacularly.

Comments?

dl

An0n0m0us

The news reports tonight made pretty sombre/depressing viewing. The injured 13 year old boy asking for his 10 year old Brother and no one had yet told him his Brother had been killed And this happened with another UN compound being shelled where they were buying sweets.

That's not propaganda, that's innocent children's lives being taken and those who survived their lives ruined where they should have been safe.

At what point is the UN going to pull it's finger out if it's ar$e, grow a pair and stand up to Israel and the unrelenting US support and start imposing hard line sanctions against Israel.

Every day my contempt for Israel grows so how the people who are going through it deal with it I just can't imagine.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yes just watched that myself, it is indeed depressing and you're right.... when is someone, anyone, in the West going to stand up against what they are doing?

All our politicians are doing is playing party politics with it, they make me sick!

Shaid

Give it a few weeks and Israel will only have he 'West Bank' to worry about. What we are actually witnessing is one country taking over the land of another. Nothing less.
Israel will build settlements for its people on its new landmass then one day it will be the West Banks turn until they no longer exhist.

tony de wonderful

Israel isn't intereted in the land of Gaza. They already pulled out.

tony de wonderful

As awful as it is, you could talk any conflict and personalise victims in this way and get everyone emotional. It only seems to happen when Israel is doing the killing though.

tony de wonderful

No, it's well documented how the Hamas propaganda machine works, and the way they restrict the education of Gazans.

jasey

If the Un don't do something soon they will need to get out of Gaza or face the consequences.

hodgy0_2

so it is your contention that watching several generations your family get wiped out, your home/school/hospital flattened is the same a bit of propaganda

simply ludicrous

the Hamas PR machine does not have to work very hard, certainly not as hard as the Israelis

ditchmyster

iTrader: (7)

Yeah and your not interested in becoming a home owner.

I don't think your serious about defending the Isrealestateites your just enjoying winding everyone up.

jonc

Both Gaza and the West Bank already have plenty of illegal Israeli settlements. For this reason, I don't think Israel have any intention of ever pulling out of these illegally occupied territories and will continue to build more settlements.

hodgy0_2

some settlements are filled with people who have zero connection with Israel - i.e. their fathers, fathers father (and beyond) never set foot in the place before these settlement where built to accommodate them - "Living Room"

they are then filled with Russians and assorted Eastern Europeans - in fact the road signs, shops etc are all in Russian, must be galling for the Palestinians who had lived there for centuries

ppprodrive

Isreal should take back the land they have given and wipe gaza out once and for all.

All the people against isreal i hope you get effected one day from a dirty suicide bomber and see how you feel a bout the people then.

muppets. Some of you sound so stupid with your silly theories about isreal starting the syria war. How many muslim countries killing eachother before people realise its the muslims just cannot live in piece. So jewish people definetly cant live with them even though they try. There is plenty of palastinians in isreal try putting jews in palastine .

i say it again it comes down to either no common sense or anti simitic low lifes . Enough of them in the uk

ppprodrive

So true thats why we cant moan in uk when we get bombed because look at all the innocent people we killed when we invaded the country Afghanistan we should just deal with it because there just using revenge . Ignorant . Anti simitic again make some sense

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

I'm not anti-simitic and have plenty of common sense, I'm just not too partial to a bit of genocide.... I find the injustice, imbalance and unfairness of it all tends to get on my tiits and makes me quite anti whoever is conducting said genocide.... in this case the Israeli government! HTH you understand the view of a normal person

Martin2005

This is just the usual trick used by the hard right in Israel and America - 'if you criticise Israel, then you must be anti semitic'

If claiming racism is all you have left to defend these action, then that seems pretty desparate to me. The irony of your post is if you reread it then you'll se that it could be very easily construde as racist

Israel are perfectly within their right to defend themselves. I'm not too sure though how killing thousands of civillians counts as defending itself.

Israel sees collective punishment as justifable - IT ISN'T

tony de wonderful

None in Gaza. Israel pulled them out in 2005.

tony de wonderful

Sounds like parts of London.

Matteeboy

Small feeling of pride for starting a 16 page thread....

hodgy0_2

Mmmmm, on a topic like Gaza, with ********* like TDW and JT swimming about in the cesspool of life

I am not so sure

Start a 16 pager on types of winter bird feed - and your seriously in the big time

jonc

You are right, how can anyone be proud the way this debate on Gaza has gone. It's more ego than pride!

An0n0m0us

That single brain cell of yours must have been exhausted after coming up with that tripe.

dpb

There's too many settlers in Palestine allready, it's a problem