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In the case of Israel, demagoguery isn't required. They're doing a pretty good job themselves, but you know that anyway. Your counter argument is weak and without basis. All the evidence suggests Israel is destroying Palestine, much to it's own detriment as well as the Palestinians.
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Yes isreal is very good at stealing water rights, along with ever increasing total landmass
Apparently palies are too stupid to use it properly
Apparently palies are too stupid to use it properly
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The withdrawal? You're really clutching at straws here aren't you Joe? Even the UN confirms the occupied status of both Gaza and the West Bank, so what 'withdrawal are you on about? I'm not sure why I'm engaging with you as you're just chaff.
Yep, couldn't agree more. Unfortunately Israel gives the impression it couldn't give two hoots if it loses US backing although eventually it will run out of weapons and then they will have to care.
There has also been an eery silence from Iran over the current conflict which leaves you wondering what are they thinking. The current leadership does seem a lot more moderate compared to the previous lunatic who was in charge but there are still plenty of hardliners in the Iranian leadership who must be itching to rattle their sabres at Israel. However they also seem tied up with events in Syria and Iraq with them being anti ISIS and pro Shia so perhaps they are now less worried about supporting Hamas and more focused on stopping the advancement of ISIS.
Something still nags at the back of the mind wondering just how ISIS were allowed to get so big and so powerful so quickly bearing in mind the intense monitoring by the US of that region. Initially before they officially became ISIS the anti Asad rebels were being backed by the West and ISIS was born from that rebellion. Isn't it lucky for Israel that Iran and Syria are preoccupied with ISIS whilst they go about their systematic destruction of Palestine? I'm not one for conspiracies but you could be forgiven for thinking it all seems a bit of a coincidence.
There has also been an eery silence from Iran over the current conflict which leaves you wondering what are they thinking. The current leadership does seem a lot more moderate compared to the previous lunatic who was in charge but there are still plenty of hardliners in the Iranian leadership who must be itching to rattle their sabres at Israel. However they also seem tied up with events in Syria and Iraq with them being anti ISIS and pro Shia so perhaps they are now less worried about supporting Hamas and more focused on stopping the advancement of ISIS.
Something still nags at the back of the mind wondering just how ISIS were allowed to get so big and so powerful so quickly bearing in mind the intense monitoring by the US of that region. Initially before they officially became ISIS the anti Asad rebels were being backed by the West and ISIS was born from that rebellion. Isn't it lucky for Israel that Iran and Syria are preoccupied with ISIS whilst they go about their systematic destruction of Palestine? I'm not one for conspiracies but you could be forgiven for thinking it all seems a bit of a coincidence.
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Supply? You mean control. Its all about control, 'the hand that rocks that cradle'. The Palestinians had a perfectly functioning society in place prior to the havoc wreaked by successive campaigns by the Israelis.
The withdrawal? You're really clutching at straws here aren't you Joe? Even the UN confirms the occupied status of both Gaza and the West Bank, so what 'withdrawal are you on about? I'm not sure why I'm engaging with you as you're just chaff.
The withdrawal? You're really clutching at straws here aren't you Joe? Even the UN confirms the occupied status of both Gaza and the West Bank, so what 'withdrawal are you on about? I'm not sure why I'm engaging with you as you're just chaff.
Israel pulled out of Gaza as part of their unilateral disengagement of 2005. You can look it up on Wiki if you want. What the UN might say about this is just an appeal to authority on your part. Israel has good reasons not to have an open border with Gaza and to blockade weapons and war materials.
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You don't understand the difference between private property and territory. Besides, I'm fairly ambivilant about nationalism, it's just that I don't see Israel as being bad in any unique way. They seem to function as a lightening rod for other peoples own politics and issues...but then the Jews have always had that role forced upon them.
Israel pulled out of Gaza as part of their unilateral disengagement of 2005. You can look it up on Wiki if you want. What the UN might say about this is just an appeal to authority on your part. Israel has good reasons not to have an open border with Gaza and to blockade weapons and war materials.
You don't understand the difference between private property and territory. Besides, I'm fairly ambivilant about nationalism, it's just that I don't see Israel as being bad in any unique way. They seem to function as a lightening rod for other peoples own politics and issues...but then the Jews have always had that role forced upon them.
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The UN partition plan did not call for any individuals to be relieved of their private property. There was only the creation of two states with their own territory.
It's not Israels fault the Arabs attacked just after midnight on the final day of the Mandate. Now you have had conflict ever since.
Google is your friend. The unilateral diesngament is not only documented in Wiki.
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Maz, why do you have such a hard-on for Israel then? There is much worse stuff going on around the globe, and there are other wars and conflicts going on in the Middle East right now, including the awful stuff happening in Syria and what ISIS are doing in Iraq. Only Israel seems to attract the outrage of western celebs, and Muslims only seem to care about Muslims dying when its not Muslims killing them. I just can't understand this general fetish for Israel. The media goes into overdrive as soon as Israel start dropping bombs, you have 24/7 live updates and constant video and pics plastered everywhere. No other conflct is given such attention, and it's not even in the same continent as the UK.
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What? You think Mossad only operates inside Israel? You don't think it aims to destabilise the enemies of Israel?
You are obsessed with defending Israel no matter what it does. You are on a losing battle with that one, Israel's actions are indefensible.
You are obsessed with defending Israel no matter what it does. You are on a losing battle with that one, Israel's actions are indefensible.
Maz, why do you have such a hard-on for Israel then? There is much worse stuff going on around the globe, and there are other wars and conflicts going on in the Middle East right now, including the awful stuff happening in Syria and what ISIS are doing in Iraq. Only Israel seems to attract the outrage of western celebs, and Muslims only seem to care about Muslims dying when its not Muslims killing them. I just can't understand this general fetish for Israel. The media goes into overdrive as soon as Israel start dropping bombs, you have 24/7 live updates and constant video and pics plastered everywhere. No other conflct is given such attention, and it's not even in the same continent as the UK.
Any killing wether it is individual or done by rogue groups is terrible and should not be tolerated. However state sanctioned genocide is worse.
Your average Jew tends distance themselves from Israel. Norman Finkelstein and Gerald Kaufman both happen to be Jews as well as two of Israel's most outspoken critics.
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Nice straw man argument. Blaming Mossad for every goings on in the region is just a variant on the age old anti-semitic slurs; seeing the 'hidden hand' of the Jews everywhere.
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And saying Mossad was involved in something doesn't equate to them being blamed for everything that happens in the region. So take your strawhat argument and realise that is all you ever post so you are hypocritacal in the extreme to accuse anyone else of it.
I suppose you had to use it as it was so eloquently explained by Maz recently, However I feel as though you fail to see the irony.
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I would assume it's true, there is no bottom to how low Hamas will go. What can the civilians do though? They can't stop them from firing the rockets, they can't vote them out of power as there is no worthy opposition and Hamas pay for pretty much all the infrastructure in Gaza which no one else could fund if they were in power.
There just isn't an answer and as previously suggested this time round there has been too much done by both sides for either to back down now and abide by a cease fire.
Israel have come out and said even after the tunnels are destroyed they will continue the operations in Gaza, there is no end in sight. This time round they really do look to be going all out to send the Palestinians back to the dark ages.
Watch the BBC video in this news article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28628682
now how on Earth could anyone living in that total devastation have anything but utter hatred for Israel? That lone surviving brother of 4, what do Israel think is going to happen to him? His grief and loss is going to turn him into a Hamas fighter more than likely. If you lose everything what do you have left? Revenge seems about all.
There just isn't an answer and as previously suggested this time round there has been too much done by both sides for either to back down now and abide by a cease fire.
Israel have come out and said even after the tunnels are destroyed they will continue the operations in Gaza, there is no end in sight. This time round they really do look to be going all out to send the Palestinians back to the dark ages.
Watch the BBC video in this news article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28628682
now how on Earth could anyone living in that total devastation have anything but utter hatred for Israel? That lone surviving brother of 4, what do Israel think is going to happen to him? His grief and loss is going to turn him into a Hamas fighter more than likely. If you lose everything what do you have left? Revenge seems about all.