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08 November 2014, 08:55 AM
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Very sad to read, that's going to have a big impact on the sport surely looks like it's leaning towards 3 car teams even more now
Could there be some legal action as the promised budget cap was never meet, which has obviously had a huge impact.
Could there be some legal action as the promised budget cap was never meet, which has obviously had a huge impact.
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08 November 2014, 09:20 AM
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08 November 2014, 09:59 AM
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Hamilton choked? 
It was always going to be up to Abu Dhabi any who so I'm just glad he played it safe, should have ignored the team though and come in. I see it as 50/50, Hamilton is the driver and has the feel of the tyres but the team shouldn't of kept him out.
Was nice to see Button with a smile on his face having a joke at the end, nice result for him as well.
Lets just cross our fingers that Hamilton doesn't have a engine failure etc, there's no way Rosberg deserves the championship at this point, not over Hamilton.
It was always going to be up to Abu Dhabi any who so I'm just glad he played it safe, should have ignored the team though and come in. I see it as 50/50, Hamilton is the driver and has the feel of the tyres but the team shouldn't of kept him out.
Was nice to see Button with a smile on his face having a joke at the end, nice result for him as well.
Lets just cross our fingers that Hamilton doesn't have a engine failure etc, there's no way Rosberg deserves the championship at this point, not over Hamilton.
10 November 2014, 08:03 AM
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I wonder if hammy will now take out rosberg.
It would be proof of his coming of age as a proper racing driver.
Last corner final lap rosberg out in front t-bone before he gets to the home straight, championship in pocket.
It would be proof of his coming of age as a proper racing driver.Last corner final lap rosberg out in front t-bone before he gets to the home straight, championship in pocket.
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10 November 2014, 08:48 AM
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Hamilton choked?
It was always going to be up to Abu Dhabi any who so I'm just glad he played it safe, should have ignored the team though and come in. I see it as 50/50, Hamilton is the driver and has the feel of the tyres but the team shouldn't of kept him out.
Was nice to see Button with a smile on his face having a joke at the end, nice result for him as well.
Lets just cross our fingers that Hamilton doesn't have a engine failure etc, there's no way Rosberg deserves the championship at this point, not over Hamilton.
It was always going to be up to Abu Dhabi any who so I'm just glad he played it safe, should have ignored the team though and come in. I see it as 50/50, Hamilton is the driver and has the feel of the tyres but the team shouldn't of kept him out.
Was nice to see Button with a smile on his face having a joke at the end, nice result for him as well.
Lets just cross our fingers that Hamilton doesn't have a engine failure etc, there's no way Rosberg deserves the championship at this point, not over Hamilton.
As much as I admire Hamilton and believe him to be one of the best ever (yes I did say best ever) the ***** in his armour is that he does tend to let pressure get to him.
He had a scrappy weekend by his standards - spun in FP3, made a mistake in quali that cost him pole and made a mistake in the race that cost him the win and on a lot of other tracks would have cost him a place at all.
The silly thing was that deep down he knew he should have come in at the end of the previous lap and he needs to trust his instincts more rather than listen to the team. He did that several times this year (Bahrain, Hungary and Monza) and each time it yielded a result!
The parallels between now and 2007 are uncanny. In 2007 he arrived at the penultimate race in China with a 12 point (equivalent to 30 points today) lead, but the team kept him out for too long on severely worn tyres (down to the canvas) such that when he entered the pits the slippery surface of the pitlane caught him out and he retired. Then in the last race in Brazil he had mechanical gremlins and the title went to Kimi.
The trouble with Abu Dhabi is that any mechanical issue could cost him dearly and it's not impossible that could happen. I think he will be tempted to drive for second and that could be his undoing. So often drivers arrive at the last race needing a specific position and fall short.... to my mind he has to go for the win and drive with his head and heart as if it were any other race.
In his favour the Abu Dhabi track is not particularly hard on the car and he does still have that psychological advantage over Rosberg of only needing second. Rosberg however was never expected to win the championship so there is no real pressure on him.
While Hamilton may be seen to be the more deserving champion having survived more DNFs than Rosberg, several qualifying gremlins, a teammate that did the dirty on him at Monaco (seems to be accepted now as even though I didn't think so at the time people far more qualified than me suggest it was definitely deliberate) and being shunted out of Spa by Rosberg the record books don't tend to show any of that they will just say N. Rosberg or L. Hamilton World Champion 2014!
Let's just hope Lewis keeps his head and gets that last bit of luck!
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10 November 2014, 10:10 AM
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Having already done a fast lap in which he admitted he 'abused' his tyres, he then continued (albeit at the team's request) a 2nd fast lap and experienced oversteer in the first 3 corners. He continued pushing hard into turn 4 and lost it. That isn't playing safe in my book.
All drivers have the right to enter the pits as and when they feel appropriate. The safe option would have been to do one fast lap and in.
Having said that, it was a remarkable drive to lose around 6.5 seconds in the 'off', but then make that up by the end of the race. He would defo have won if he'd come in one lap earlier.
10 November 2014, 11:37 AM
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Hamilton certainly needs to take responsibility for staying out after he had taken the life out of his tyres on the basis of a 1 lap inlap but you have to trust in your team and it can sometimes be a fine line. The team did however apologise to Hamilton over the radio after the race which IMO is them taking responsibility for the mistake.
11 November 2014, 09:38 PM
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12 November 2014, 12:25 AM
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I think Woosberg displays a distinct lack of integrity given the chance. Being popular won't make him champion perhaps, but Schumacher-esque gamesmanship won't endear him to race fans.
12 November 2014, 02:55 PM
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Wishful thinking? - Alice Powell hopeful of Caterham F1 debut in Abu Dhabi http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula-one/30020798
Or maybe she doesn't read the news.
Or maybe she doesn't read the news.
12 November 2014, 05:51 PM
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Wishful thinking? - Alice Powell hopeful of Caterham F1 debut in Abu Dhabi http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula-one/30020798
Or maybe she doesn't read the news.
Or maybe she doesn't read the news.
16 November 2014, 11:13 AM
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So Caterham have managed to scrape enough cash together to make the final race.
And simultaneously made all their factory staff redundant
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ue-paul-weaver
And simultaneously made all their factory staff redundant
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ue-paul-weaver
16 November 2014, 10:46 PM
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So Caterham have managed to scrape enough cash together to make the final race.
And simultaneously made all their factory staff redundant
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ue-paul-weaver
And simultaneously made all their factory staff redundant
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blo...ue-paul-weaver
Caterham's ex-staff are slightly annoyed: http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/...he-real-world/
Caterham have no staff to service the cars and will be relying on what they refer to as "consultants". No-one has a clear understanding of who these "consultants" are and on what terms they are employed.
Caterham also need to sort out the driver situation. Marcus Ericson as cut his ties with the team, whilst Lotterer has ruled himself out. This means they need Kobayashi, who they've not treated very well this year.
Originally Posted by FIA Formula 1 Sporting Regulations 2014
Articles 19.1 a) During a season each team will be permitted to use four drivers. Changes may be made at any time before the start of the qualifying practice session provided any change proposed after 16.00 on the day of scrutineering receives the consent of the stewards.
Additional changes for reasons of force majeure will be considered separately.
Any new driver may score points in the Championship.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/...erham-drivers/
17 November 2014, 08:39 AM
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Discount it?
How can you discount the most salient facts of that article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30074346
But administrator Finbarr O'Connell said it had been done by staff request. "I'm not sure this is the bad news. This is what the employees as a group have been asking me to do," he said.
"This is what they want because it brings them closer to receiving money and if you speak to any of the staff representatives, they will confirm to you that 14 November was the date that they gave me." O'Connell explained the redundancies had come at the behest of a majority of the staff who had wanted to start a formal claims process if the team is not sold.
No driver = no problem, they're queueing up to pay for a drive.
No staff = no car, work that one out.
Discount what you like, but the fact remains that the staff have been made redundant.
Pretty much what I posted really
How can you discount the most salient facts of that article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30074346
But administrator Finbarr O'Connell said it had been done by staff request. "I'm not sure this is the bad news. This is what the employees as a group have been asking me to do," he said.
"This is what they want because it brings them closer to receiving money and if you speak to any of the staff representatives, they will confirm to you that 14 November was the date that they gave me." O'Connell explained the redundancies had come at the behest of a majority of the staff who had wanted to start a formal claims process if the team is not sold.
No driver = no problem, they're queueing up to pay for a drive.
No staff = no car, work that one out.
Discount what you like, but the fact remains that the staff have been made redundant.
Pretty much what I posted really
17 November 2014, 10:23 AM
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It's not rocket Science.
Caterham Sports Limited (In Administration) cannot afford to pay salaries, so unless the employees all want to work for free the administrator has no choice but to make them redundant.
Tony Fernandes may well still be the shareholder/majority shareholder but that does not make him laible for its debts, nor does being the "owner" give him any direct control over the company, other than the ability to appoint a director or directors. But that's a moot point as it is now in administration.
Jo Saward is an excellent F1 commentator, but he has only a limited understanding of the way this works. He should, to be honest, have known better that to publish the musings of an ex employee who also knows very little about the law surrounding this process.
Administrators cannot simply pay all arrears of wages in advance of any other creditior, unless there is a sound business case for doing so. In this case, there is no business case for paying the Caterham Sports Limited staff. If there's a sale, the purchaser may, subject to certain constraints, have no option but to assume all the contracts of employment in any event. All redundancy does is save the administration cash which will help to allow the cars to run in the final race and at the same time starts the employee claim process via the statutory channels. In these circumstances the Government effectively and up to certain limits pays elements of the employee claims and then itself claims against the insolvent company.
There is, however, a business case for keeping the cars running, hence the crowd funding and that buinsess case is finding a purchaser for 1MRT which holds the F1 entry. Selling 1MRT is the best outcome for the administration of Caterham Sports Limited which will undoubtably be due significant sums from 1MRT
Its important to remember that Caterham Sports Limited isn't the F1 entry holder. The staff made redundant from Caterham Sports Limited don't actually work for the F1 "team"
Caterham Sports Limited (In Administration) cannot afford to pay salaries, so unless the employees all want to work for free the administrator has no choice but to make them redundant.
Tony Fernandes may well still be the shareholder/majority shareholder but that does not make him laible for its debts, nor does being the "owner" give him any direct control over the company, other than the ability to appoint a director or directors. But that's a moot point as it is now in administration.
Jo Saward is an excellent F1 commentator, but he has only a limited understanding of the way this works. He should, to be honest, have known better that to publish the musings of an ex employee who also knows very little about the law surrounding this process.
Administrators cannot simply pay all arrears of wages in advance of any other creditior, unless there is a sound business case for doing so. In this case, there is no business case for paying the Caterham Sports Limited staff. If there's a sale, the purchaser may, subject to certain constraints, have no option but to assume all the contracts of employment in any event. All redundancy does is save the administration cash which will help to allow the cars to run in the final race and at the same time starts the employee claim process via the statutory channels. In these circumstances the Government effectively and up to certain limits pays elements of the employee claims and then itself claims against the insolvent company.
There is, however, a business case for keeping the cars running, hence the crowd funding and that buinsess case is finding a purchaser for 1MRT which holds the F1 entry. Selling 1MRT is the best outcome for the administration of Caterham Sports Limited which will undoubtably be due significant sums from 1MRT
Its important to remember that Caterham Sports Limited isn't the F1 entry holder. The staff made redundant from Caterham Sports Limited don't actually work for the F1 "team"
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17 November 2014, 11:00 AM
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But they are nonetheless, still, redundant.
I know the new owner's liabilities regarding aquisition of existing staff ect.
All I said was they are redundant.
Why do you feel the need to explain the facts of life to me?
I know the new owner's liabilities regarding aquisition of existing staff ect.
All I said was they are redundant.
Why do you feel the need to explain the facts of life to me?
17 November 2014, 12:03 PM
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My post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. Was just to put some perspective on the media reportin as to *why*. We all know what has happened but the why is never always clear and hence open to misinterpretation.
The new owner point is interesting. A buyer for 1MRT is not automatically buying the Caterham Sport Limited facility. Yes, they may need/want it in which case its most likely going to from part of any deal, but its not a certainty.
Especially if customer teams become a possibility.
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17 November 2014, 01:31 PM
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Don't be paranoid mate.
My post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. Was just to put some perspective on the media reportin as to *why*. We all know what has happened but the why is never always clear and hence open to misinterpretation.
The new owner point is interesting. A buyer for 1MRT is not automatically buying the Caterham Sport Limited facility. Yes, they may need/want it in which case its most likely going to from part of any deal, but its not a certainty.
Especially if customer teams become a possibility.
My post was not directed at you or anyone in particular. Was just to put some perspective on the media reportin as to *why*. We all know what has happened but the why is never always clear and hence open to misinterpretation.
The new owner point is interesting. A buyer for 1MRT is not automatically buying the Caterham Sport Limited facility. Yes, they may need/want it in which case its most likely going to from part of any deal, but its not a certainty.
Especially if customer teams become a possibility.
17 November 2014, 03:36 PM
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Enough of all this, we have a title decider on Sunday and here's wishing Lewis bets of luck, but if he loses it to Rosberg the saving grace will be watching the British press and a few fair weather F1 fans who probably normally follow the stupid people's game of fotoball get all in a lather over the injustice of it all