f1_fan

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He didn't know and anyway there is no reason not to start the race unless Alonso had put his hand up to signal the problem which would have been incorrect as you only signal if you have a car problem. The rules state that the driver will then receive a penalty if he is judged to have gained an advantage by being out of position which he did hence the 5 second stop/go!

Carnut

Thank you f1_fan, saved me a lot of typing

F1 this season is great, not perfect but great, it would be nice to have more cars fighting for the win but the two Merc's and the rest are certainly throwing up some good racing.

As for Hamilton, as f1_fan said, he was catching Rosberg hand over fist and had the freshest tyres that would have been the case to the end. There would have been the exception at a period around the pit stops IF Rosberg was still in front but wouldn't have been for long.

As for BTCC which is great, it is in a different league, not necessarily better or worse but different. The BTCC doesn't always have loads more overtaking and it takes all day to get the end results with lots of support races in between the main races.They also add weight to the cars up front after race one so in race two the cats end up among the pigeons as it were. This is great to watch but IMO not real racing and more for TV ratings.

If all you are prepared to do is watch the cars go round in a circle then don't bother, it's so much more than that.

Blue by You

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I agree with this.
Penalising winners for being winners is not a great way to equalise the field.
If one team is doing a better job than the others within a given formula then it is up to them to raise their game.
Supposing all the top F1 teams were weight penalised in the same manner and a Marussia took the flag, would that be great racing or a farce?

Carnut

While we have a f1 thread going what do we think about there being a standing start from the grid after a safety car for next season? I'm not for stunts to bring in tv ratings but could be fun to watch. My concern is what would happen at a race where theres a high risk of a safety car after the start. We could have a start then crash then a standing restart then a crash then a standing restart and a crash and so on till theres not enough cars left to crash. Although this maybe a bit far fetched it is still likely to cause more accident's and with safety being high priority it does confuse me some what.

The teams are also going to have to throw money at development for better clutches and heat soak etc and not to forget having to rebuild more cars because of an increased risk of crashing. I would rather see money spent else where.

f1_fan

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Another daft gimmick basically!

neil-h

Can't see how Watching Hamilton/Rosberg run away with the race is just as tedious as watching Vettel do it.

Like KERS/DRS/ERS and there associated rules?

Carnut

All the cars have KERS/ERS so not an advantage given to a particular car. As for DRS the idea is to give a faster car the opportunity to overtake a slower car but I would rather they had a better way of doing this.

F1 is not perfect, and has, and never will be.

f1_fan

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Er, not really! Because there's two of them and they get to race each other it's a lot better than watching Vettel do it alone, but I grant you it would be better if a few of the other teams were closer!

Energy recovery is actually quite a cool and applicable technology so I don't have an issue with it, but DRS is awful.

urban

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OK, so what's the purpose of the grid sensors then?

neil-h

I'd have said it's debateable just how much actual racing goes on between the 2 Mercedes cars. Take last weekend as an example, if it wasn't for Rosbergs gearbox failure Hamilton would have spent most of the race chasing him down between pit stops and any actual racing between the pair would have been reserved for the last 5-10 laps. And that's with out going near the prospect of team orders.

As for ERS, yes the technology is relevant to modern road cars but my issue sits more with it's application in F1. Using it as a push to pass type system just strikes me as naff.

f1_fan

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To detect jump starts and cars out of position, but I don't think the information from them gets displayed in race control directly! It is irrelevant anyway as it's not a reason to not start the race!

f1_fan

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Did you watch Bahrain? Mercedes are definitely letting the drivers race ... for now! They can afford to as even with a few DNFs they will still win the constructor's title at a canter! The fact that Hamilton would have spent most of the race yesterday chasing Rosberg down is not a fault of Mercedes team orders, but of Hamilton himself with his mistake on Saturday!

Yes, but at least it is something they have some flexibility over so you can use it to defend (like Button did yesterday) as well as to attack.

RA Dunk

I was going to start a thread yesterday about Hamiltons awesome win but thought the usual Hamilton haters would be all over the top of it with their usual hatred.

Considering how unpopular he seems it sounded like the whole of Silverstone was behind him yesterday, the blokes a legend TBH!!

ALi-B

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If you want to increase safety and reduce avoidable accidents. Then just ban Grosjean and Maldonado from F1 The latter even got airbourne on this race just for being there (although that was Gutierrez's fault...or revenge from Pastor shuning he in earlier races ).

ALi-B

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Official explaination about Nico's gearbox failure ...which may have denied us a decent head to head race for the podium.

Instead all we had for the latter race was the Vettle show (again)...FFS even he's not winning the cameras are stuck on him, whining like a baby because Alonso is putting up a fight.


Oh yeah...and what's happened to the overhead wire camaras? I can't remember about last season, but they had them in 2012, the tracking footage they gave was awesome....have they shipped them off to Brazil instead?

^Qwerty^

Never met the guy so cant' comment, but in his early years of F1 he did come over as a bit of a spoilt brat, at least IMO anyway. Sadly for F1 and many other sports these days, we have manufactured personalities, or individuals who have been groomed from an early age such that they have no charisma at all. Everything they do is controlled and censored so they don't say the wrong thing and upset anyone. A good example this weekend was the joke Perez made about women drivers. Why the hell did he have to apologise for that?

urban

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I agree, and I suppose I wasn't his biggest fan either, but he does appear to have learned something since then.
Well I think he's changed anyway, still not his biggest fan but I was willing him on yesterday as he went off in pursuit of Rosberg.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Because he and his team are plastered over with corporate sponsorship, whom don't really want to be associated with a "women should be in the kitchen" mentality - it's not good for business.

Carnut

this has more truth to it than it should although Grosjean is getting better. As for Maldonado he is by far my most hated driver, after what he did to Hamilton a few years back. If I remember correctly he crashed in to Hamilton out of anger but the FIA put it down as knock for knock.

^Qwerty^

Yes I know, but isn't it a shame that people have to be so serious all the time.

ScoobyWon't

Carnut

its just payback for Monaco.

Turbohot

Still not sure if Lewis himself, being such a good driver that he is, feels internally a bit sh7t because he ended up winning the German one as he had to be out due to his gear box failure. I understand that Lewis was right up his backside for a long time to get past him, but even then. Hope there's a new race soon, and our Lewis wins the other one clear cut without the German chap having to go out of the race due to some mechanical failure. Can't believe that! I thought German technology was the most reliable one going!

ScoobyWon't

Mark Webber was seen being handed a stuffed envelope by Lewis, before getting out his screwdriver from Vettel's Red Bull parts bin

Carnut

Hamilton has won 5 races, this wasn't a one off pot luck win and arguably he could have won 2 more if his car had not let him down. He "arguably" could have won at Monaco if Rosberg had not gone off and caused a yellow flag.

But let's not forget Hamilton has also handed Rosberg a win through a DNF and COULD have handed Rosberg pole this race. I am not to sure he did, he was slower than Rosberg before he pulled over but could have controlled Rosberg if he had kept going, but either way he didn't make it hard for him.

Turbohot

I know, man. Lewis is excellent at what he does. He's Britain's pride, and I have nothing against him, F1 racing and the likes. All sports are good. Well, that's going a bit too far. Let's say- most.

He's only human.

I still think that something won as a grace of R'berg's gearbox failure may be something to niggle a sportsperson like Lewis, or may be not. I think he would get personal satisfaction when he leaves R'berg way behind next time without having to win due to some mechanical failure in the rival's car.

I was thinking along the same like for another sport yesterday when the opponent fell on his @rse and grazed his right leg along with his right elbow. I thought that if the injured one withdrew then, and if the opponent won for that reason, that wouldn't be as satisfying for the winner as literally thrashing him like no one's business, and thus winning the game. That's all.

I am very pleased for having someone like Lewis from Britain, as he is bleddy brilliant car racer regardless of winning or losing the top spot.

Turbohot

Who's he, then?

LOL no worries. I've checked that geezer out on Google.

Carnut

If Rosberg had finished 2nd then he would be 18 points better off. Hamilton would have liked to have won fair and square but by winning this way he was able to close the points gap by 25, and not 7 had he won and Rosberg 2nd. Plus he probably had a little smile to him self when his gearbox went and would have felt like a little bad luck had shifted to Rosberg.

Kwik

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I like watching F1, and was happy to see Lewis win. I'm not a fanatic but will make the effort to watch/record 90% of races. I like Lewis because he is passionate, and would rather risk everything for a win rather than banking points.
I keep going on about motogp, but for entertainment factor F1 falls short massively in comparison, even with the same chap winning the first 7 races its edge of your seat stuff.
In my opinion in F1 pit stops should stop completely and either the races shortend or like WSB or BSB have 2 shorter races. Tyres should last the duration of a race and the cars should be altered to suit less grip from a harder compound.

Carnut

I have to agree but as f1 is getting better moto gp is getting worse, and since they changed tyres and reduced the braking area they reduced overtaking. They need to give them more power and a little less grip, and get rid of TC.