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Old 22 May 2014, 12:03 PM
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The Big Bang.

Mmmmmm Penny ;-)
Old 22 May 2014, 12:06 PM
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Faith is to "believe" god created the universe.
Faith is the only proof for believers.
Obviously science tells us different.
Old 22 May 2014, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
You're adapting and interpreting something completely unsubstantiated to fit in with your own version. Bit of a cop out.
So with regards to Adam and Eve I need to be a literalist or else I'm coping out?
Old 22 May 2014, 12:39 PM
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So with regards to Adam and Eve I need to be a literalist or else I'm coping out?
On the subject of Adam and Eve. They were supposed to be the first living beings on the planet, if this is true then where did the snake come from?

If however they were only actually the first humans on the planet and Eva had two Sons, Cane and Abel. (There is no mention of her having any other kids) so where did all the other humans come from?

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Old 22 May 2014, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Some divine umpire?
I'd go with this theory.

http://www.deepastronomy.com/what-ca...-big-bang.html
The author's conclusion being:

The answer to the cause of the universe will almost certainly be something strange and, by definition, wholly beyond our experience.
Old 22 May 2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
On the subject of Adam and Eve. They were supposed to be the first living beings on the planet, if this is true then where did the snake come from?

If however they were only actually the first humans on the planet and Eva had two Sons, Cane and Abel. (There is no mention of her having any other kids) so where did all the other humans come from?
I don't know, Wurzel, you'd have to ask somebody who've reasoned the biblical Adam and Eve to be literally true.
Old 22 May 2014, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
The author's conclusion being:

The answer to the cause of the universe will almost certainly be something strange and, by definition, wholly beyond our experience.
Accepted, however the notion of a divine ruler was also rejected.
Old 22 May 2014, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Accepted, however the notion of a divine ruler was also rejected.
So he's saying he doesn't know how we got here or why we're here. Well how profound.
Old 22 May 2014, 01:24 PM
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So he's saying he doesn't know how we got here or why we're here. Well how profound.
I think you will find that nobody on this planet knows how we got here or why we are here.
Old 22 May 2014, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
I think you will find that nobody on this planet knows how we got here or why we are here.
Which is why we have faith and I believe faith to be the highest virtue, alongside hope and love. What are we without these things?

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Old 22 May 2014, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Which is why we have faith and I believe faith to be the highest virtue, alongside hope and love. What are we without these things?
Which is why YOU have faith and good luck to you, I personaly believe the science and multi million year old skeletons that have been dug up more than I believe in a book telling us what happened.
Old 22 May 2014, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Which is why YOU have faith and good luck to you, I personaly believe the science and multi million year old skeletons that have been dug up more than I believe in a book telling us what happened.
It's not a case of faith or science, Wurzel.
Old 22 May 2014, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
So he's saying he doesn't know how we got here or why we're here. Well how profound.
I dare say text from a couple of millennia ago doesn't constitute absolute proof either. From a time when lack of education, ignorance, barbarism and undeveloped thinking was rife. A time when it was easier to brainwash people by those who had ulterior motives (good and bad). Ironically a situation not too dissimilar to certain so called Islamic states. Faith is good, love is good and hope springs eternal, invest them not in fairy stories but something tangible.

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Old 22 May 2014, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
I dare say text from a couple of millennia ago doesn't constitute absolute proof either. From a time when lack of education, ignorance, barbarism and undeveloped thinking was rife. A time when it was easier to brainwash people by those who had ulterior motives (good and bad). Ironically a situation not too dissimilar to certain so called Islamic states. Faith is good, love is good and hope springs eternal, invest them not in fairy stories but something tangible.
Material?
Old 22 May 2014, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Material?
Nope. People and community.
Old 22 May 2014, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Nope. People and community.
Are people of faith excluded from investing energy in to people and the community?
Old 22 May 2014, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Are people of faith excluded from investing energy in to people and the community?
No not at all. However blind faith (which befalls a lot of people) causes some devotees to become isolated and insular.
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Originally Posted by Maz
No not at all. However blind faith (which befalls a lot of people) causes some devotees to become isolated and insular.
Agreed, but I'm not sure how that applies.
Old 22 May 2014, 03:16 PM
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Large-scale societies in which strangers regularly engage in mutually beneficial transactions are puzzling. The evolutionary mechanisms associated with kinship and reciprocity, which underpin much of primate sociality, do not readily extend to large unrelated groups. Theory suggests that the evolution of such societies may have required norms and institutions that sustain fairness in ephemeral exchanges. If that is true, then engagement in larger-scale institutions, such as markets and world religions, should be associated with greater fairness, and larger communities should punish unfairness more. Using three behavioral experiments administered across 15 diverse populations, we show that market integration (measured as the percentage of purchased calories) positively covaries with fairness while community size positively covaries with punishment. Participation in a world religion is associated with fairness, although not across all measures. These results suggest that modern prosociality is not solely the product of an innate psychology, but also reflects norms and institutions that have emerged over the course of human history.
Old 22 May 2014, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Large-scale societies in which strangers regularly engage in mutually beneficial transactions are puzzling. The evolutionary mechanisms associated with kinship and reciprocity, which underpin much of primate sociality, do not readily extend to large unrelated groups. Theory suggests that the evolution of such societies may have required norms and institutions that sustain fairness in ephemeral exchanges. If that is true, then engagement in larger-scale institutions, such as markets and world religions, should be associated with greater fairness, and larger communities should punish unfairness more. Using three behavioral experiments administered across 15 diverse populations, we show that market integration (measured as the percentage of purchased calories) positively covaries with fairness while community size positively covaries with punishment. Participation in a world religion is associated with fairness, although not across all measures. These results suggest that modern prosociality is not solely the product of an innate psychology, but also reflects norms and institutions that have emerged over the course of human history.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20299588/
Old 22 May 2014, 03:29 PM
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http://m.psr.sagepub.com/content/14/1/140.short
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And?
Old 22 May 2014, 04:15 PM
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Nothing.
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Ok. Peace.
Old 22 May 2014, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
I think you will find that nobody on this planet knows how we got here or why we are here.
I know how I got here, just ask my mum and dad.
Old 22 May 2014, 06:49 PM
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I was looking for the new "babe of the week" and stumbled across this thread. I can only suggest...

Group hug?
Old 22 May 2014, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chris j t
I know how I got here, just ask my mum and dad.

I did. I asked mine when I was little.

They satisfied my curiosity with>



Old 25 May 2014, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Mmmmmm Penny ;-)
That's exactly what I was thinking. The rest of the thread is pony in comparison.
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