If I were Romanian, I wouldn't want to move in next door to Nigel Farage
22 May 2014, 03:21 PM
#121
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Type 25. Build No.34
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Martin, you are being pedantic now.
The UK ACCIDENTALLY broke those laws. And WILL pay any fines levied.
The other states routinely ignore the laws, rules, rulings etc unless it suits them/their citizens.
You KNOW this is true, what are you arguing for?
NB: the one and only time a UK government stood up to Europe was when Lying Labour foresaw the end of the revenue stream from speed cameras. They basically let it be known that unless the ECHR came back with a find in their favour, they were taking their bat home.
And lo......it came to pass.......just as 100% of the law professionals said it couldn't possibly. A ruling STILL not understood by anyone except the UK government.
What a shame they can't do the same with other rules/ECHR findings.
The UK ACCIDENTALLY broke those laws. And WILL pay any fines levied.
The other states routinely ignore the laws, rules, rulings etc unless it suits them/their citizens.
You KNOW this is true, what are you arguing for?
NB: the one and only time a UK government stood up to Europe was when Lying Labour foresaw the end of the revenue stream from speed cameras. They basically let it be known that unless the ECHR came back with a find in their favour, they were taking their bat home.
And lo......it came to pass.......just as 100% of the law professionals said it couldn't possibly. A ruling STILL not understood by anyone except the UK government.
What a shame they can't do the same with other rules/ECHR findings.
22 May 2014, 04:36 PM
#122
Scooby Regular
I do agree to a certain extent that politicians in the Middle East, Africa India etc maybe are more corrupt than our own, I think that's down to the uk and USA politicians are better at covering up their bad deeds than third world leaders who don't care,our politicians have more to loose and would be a much bigger story than other lesser country leaders corruptions.
Our planets politicians and leaders(who in effect run the earth) are all corrupt, look at the lives they lead compared to us peasants, in Africa children are starving and dying on a daily basis, the leaders live like kings.
In India millions of children are homeless, look at the leaders living in palaces.
In England and America, we struggle to pay the bills, lots of stress related deaths and suicides over debt, look at our leaders and influential people living the life of Riley and only getting richer.
Our world leaders have us by the ***** and there is not a thing we peasants around the world can do to change it, corruption, lies, mass murder, money control,the banks,medicine,media,immigration, multiculturism, racisicm. it's down to them.
Our planets politicians and leaders(who in effect run the earth) are all corrupt, look at the lives they lead compared to us peasants, in Africa children are starving and dying on a daily basis, the leaders live like kings.
In India millions of children are homeless, look at the leaders living in palaces.
In England and America, we struggle to pay the bills, lots of stress related deaths and suicides over debt, look at our leaders and influential people living the life of Riley and only getting richer.
Our world leaders have us by the ***** and there is not a thing we peasants around the world can do to change it, corruption, lies, mass murder, money control,the banks,medicine,media,immigration, multiculturism, racisicm. it's down to them.
it has a rather anodyne title
"Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens"
but essentially the main theses is that America is rapidly turning into an Oligarchy - so much for American Dream, as I have previously posted years ago "you need to be asleep to believe it"
the full paper is here
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gi...s%203-7-14.pdf
a cut down review of it is here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...s-us-oligarchy
22 May 2014, 05:31 PM
#124
Anything else is an oversight on our part, NOT deliberate like the others do. And we DO pay the fines.
Can YOU think of ONE more instance where the UK government has actually ignored an EC rule, law, or ECHR ruling? Where we have actually told them to get knotted?
22 May 2014, 05:39 PM
#125
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: weymouth
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
there has been an interesting academic paper released by two Princeton University professors
it has a rather anodyne title
"Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens"
but essentially the main theses is that America is rapidly turning into an Oligarchy - so much for American Dream, as I have previously posted years ago "you need to be asleep to believe it"
the full paper is here
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gi...s%203-7-14.pdf
a cut down review of it is here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...s-us-oligarchy
it has a rather anodyne title
"Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens"
but essentially the main theses is that America is rapidly turning into an Oligarchy - so much for American Dream, as I have previously posted years ago "you need to be asleep to believe it"
the full paper is here
http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gi...s%203-7-14.pdf
a cut down review of it is here
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...s-us-oligarchy
Have just got in from work but this average citizen will definately put the kettle on and have a good read later
Last edited by stipete75; 22 May 2014 at 05:40 PM.
22 May 2014, 06:22 PM
#126
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berks
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No, it's an absolute statement followed by a justification of that statement in the form of a comparison.
However, using simple kogic the justification does not stack up as it leaves room for the UK politicians to still be corrupt as long as they are less corrupt than those of the other countires he mentions which therefore renders the former statement to still be untrue which as it happens is actually the case with the UK politicians!
Hope that helps
However, using simple kogic the justification does not stack up as it leaves room for the UK politicians to still be corrupt as long as they are less corrupt than those of the other countires he mentions which therefore renders the former statement to still be untrue which as it happens is actually the case with the UK politicians!
Hope that helps
22 May 2014, 06:48 PM
#128
for what it's worth the uk breaks eu law every day, every time it allow's a immigrant in from a non eu country, they are supposed to seak refuge in the first country they arrive in, and there's me thinking we where a island, i didn't know somalia was next door to the uk
23 May 2014, 12:02 AM
#134
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Type 25. Build No.34
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This wasn't some weather anomaly, it was a complete failure by the UK to put in place measure to curb air pollution. The result of this failure, is that many cities in the UK will not be in compliance until 2025. Hence the UK maybe taken to court in Strasbourg.
You managed to mention 2 example of where other EU states had breached EU, and I'll even let you keep the one that was 33 years old, meaning (by your own description) that the UK is 14 times more likely to break the law than other EU country. Now of course I do not believe that to be the case. Essentially the UK is just as likely to act in its own self interest as any other EU state.
Stop posting what some bloke down the pub told you and claiming it to be fact!
Now I'm fully prepared for the full Alcazar childish and defensive retort - so bring it on
Last edited by Martin2005; 23 May 2014 at 12:19 AM.
23 May 2014, 12:20 PM
#138
Do I need another? - afterall you proudly claimed the UK had breach ZERO EU laws - (I typed it that way because that's the way you put it in your earlier post). This one that I'm aware of is current - there may well be many more - but that is now moot.
This wasn't some weather anomaly, it was a complete failure by the UK to put in place measure to curb air pollution. The result of this failure, is that many cities in the UK will not be in compliance until 2025. Hence the UK maybe taken to court in Strasbourg.
You managed to mention 2 example of where other EU states had breached EU, and I'll even let you keep the one that was 33 years old, meaning (by your own description) that the UK is 14 times more likely to break the law than other EU country. Now of course I do not believe that to be the case. Essentially the UK is just as likely to act in its own self interest as any other EU state.
Stop posting what some bloke down the pub told you and claiming it to be fact!
Now I'm fully prepared for the full Alcazar childish and defensive retort - so bring it on
This wasn't some weather anomaly, it was a complete failure by the UK to put in place measure to curb air pollution. The result of this failure, is that many cities in the UK will not be in compliance until 2025. Hence the UK maybe taken to court in Strasbourg.
You managed to mention 2 example of where other EU states had breached EU, and I'll even let you keep the one that was 33 years old, meaning (by your own description) that the UK is 14 times more likely to break the law than other EU country. Now of course I do not believe that to be the case. Essentially the UK is just as likely to act in its own self interest as any other EU state.
Stop posting what some bloke down the pub told you and claiming it to be fact!
Now I'm fully prepared for the full Alcazar childish and defensive retort - so bring it on
If you are so naive as to believe that we don't enforce European laws, rules and regulations etc, where other countries do, or that somehow it's the same...then keep on thinking that.
Are there fairies at the bottom of your garden too?
here: read and enjoy: (and MAYBE lean something)
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&...louting+ec+law
23 May 2014, 12:46 PM
#139
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Type 25. Build No.34
Posts: 8,222
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Did you read the bit where I said go out and find your own? I REALLY can't be bothered.
If you are so naive as to believe that we don't enforce European laws, rules and regulations etc, where other countries do, or that somehow it's the same...then keep on thinking that.
Are there fairies at the bottom of your garden too?
here: read and enjoy: (and MAYBE lean something)
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&...louting+ec+law
If you are so naive as to believe that we don't enforce European laws, rules and regulations etc, where other countries do, or that somehow it's the same...then keep on thinking that.
Are there fairies at the bottom of your garden too?
here: read and enjoy: (and MAYBE lean something)
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&...louting+ec+law
23 May 2014, 01:13 PM
#142
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: weymouth
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Haha, who cares!!!
Either way we are all fudged, your voices will never ever be heard, fact!
Your all on this earth for a few years so just keep on doing what your here for, consume, pay taxes and make the powers that be richer
Either way we are all fudged, your voices will never ever be heard, fact!
Your all on this earth for a few years so just keep on doing what your here for, consume, pay taxes and make the powers that be richer
23 May 2014, 03:17 PM
#143
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Berks
Posts: 4,224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well that seems to be a fairly self defeating outlook on life.
23 May 2014, 05:06 PM
#144
Go and read the page I linked.
If you can find an EC law where the UK has ignored it other than that they can't currently afford it, (and probably every member state is ignoring it), come back and argue.
Otherwise it's you being utterly childish.
Or just trolling.
23 May 2014, 08:41 PM
#145
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: weymouth
Posts: 995
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
28
28 December 2015 11:07 PM
Mattybr5@MB Developments
Full Cars Breaking For Spares
12
18 November 2015 07:03 AM