toffee_pie

restrictive, simple, basic and overpriced. Thats apple for you.

They have done unbelievable well to hoodwink people up to now, Charging people almost $700 for a IPhone 6 That costs $190 to make and as pointed out in an earlier post has tech from 2012.

As shown here by Dozza the large powerful Android devices simply eat and **** all over any offering from Apple.

http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note5...eview-1363.php

No doubt Jack will harp on about speed, oh is the IPhone 6 not faster than these powerful Android devices. Well it is to an extent, primarily due to the fact the processing power of the Apple has ancient relic of a display to work upon compared to displays found on the Nexus 6P and Note 5 (which clearly have far more pixel density and more rendering required to get the same results as found on the Apple).

Plus the software (iOS) is basically optimised for a single phone. - Compared to say all the different Versions of Android and all the different phones out there with different hardware.

Apple is behind the times and left in its wake by not just Samsung in terms of tech but Nexus, Xiaomi etc.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyols.../#5b20ebc361d7

JackClark

You're throwing custard pie in your own face now, that's a new one.

Why would I want a phone with bigger numbers that's slower than a year old iPhone by your admission? Nuts.

Your price complaint makes me laugh too, Android devices are comparable in price to Apple but at resale are worthless.

You're now my favourite Fandroid, Custard Toffee Pie... in your face.

toffee_pie

You are living the dream there Jack, like most iphone users brainwashed beyond redemption at this stage.

toffee_pie

You wont back down though will you. Iphone users fall into a certain category; you being a case in point.

JackClark

Back down on what? Tell you what, you show me a video just like the one I've enlightened you with where the outcome is the opposite and I'll stop directing you to the one where your big numbers are shown to be meaningless.

You can't walk in here slagging off Apple products and expect not to be challenged.

JackClark

Hardly brainwashed, everything I've stated is evidence based and derived from experience. I'm sat here using an 8 year old iMac that runs better than the new Windows machine I bought a month ago and using a 2 year old iPhone that performs better than your new Android based device. That's not brainwashed, that's fact.

You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.

toffee_pie

It's not science fiction. Recent android devices are much better than what apple have. Far far more powerful, displays that make a mockery of iphones and phones that are not restrictive. I can copy huge full hd movies from my synology NAS to my phone and watch them for when i am out. Likewise i can dump all my tunes onto it with no messing around with stupid apple tunes or restrictions.
Apple charge a kings ransom for tech that is ancient, recent sales show that even hard core apple users might be wising up and moving to android phones.
Iphone 7 will probable have a 1080p display..that it until it agrees to use AMOLED screens from Samsung in its newer models.

toffee_pie

Again anything i said clearly escaped what ever is up there.
If you like devices easy and simply to use then an Iphone is probably ideal for you. But like the Nexus user here once you move to Android its a different ball game.

mind you, i need to re consider my next phone looking at the worthless resale values of these Androids.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_od...kw=s7&_sacat=0

JackClark

Point 1) "Much Better" You need to watch that video again, your devices are trounced in real world tests, not sure why you can't see that, must be the pie in your eyes.

Point 2) So can I, if I had a collection of pirate movies which I don't. I have a few of my own movies that I can watch using VLC, plays everything.

Point 3) Ancient. Just one example would be force touch, which you might get in a few years time. And lets not forget that in a few days time you'll be seeing a few more features that you'll get on a few devices in a few years time.

Point 4) 1080p display, that will be great, unlike your devices the marketing department don't decide what resolution to use - big numbers are best right - Apple will use a display that they can reliably support.

I'm running out of pies here, I did think you'd give up by now but the Fandroid is strong in you.

neil-h

I call Android Fanboi cliche bingo.

JackClark

Someone called "House" 2 pages back but he's still at it

toffee_pie

if you dont work for Apple they should hire you up to improve their flagging sales in Q1 and Q2, they can only make mugs of people for so long. Clearly you are an ideal customer for them.

JackClark

This is the best quote ever. Apple should hobble themselves so that Android can compete? Ha!!!

toffee_pie

living the dream, like i said.

2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016. A company playing catchup with all the big players and people no longer fooled by the apple marketing ploy of releasing underwhelming over priced devices year after year.

its good that they have at least one fan.

toffee_pie

Android makers would be in 2012 if they were playing 'catchup' with Apple.

JackClark

Ha! And still you ignore a video that shows in real terms how a 2012 iPhone trounces all Android based devices in real world tests.

JackClark

This is a great one.

Random nomark on Scoobynet

"2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016."

The Wall Street Journal

When Apple announced its previous results three months ago, the company said it expected to make between $41 and $43 billion in revenue in the third quarter of fiscal 2016, with profit margins between 37.5 and 38 percent. Actual results were near the top end of the estimates; gross margin was 38 percent."

JackClark

I'm running out of custard pies and it's bank holiday so the shops are shut, can you come back tomorrow?

toffee_pie

Ive explained a few times but iphone users are intellectually challenged. Thats why they use devices like iphones in the first place.

JackClark

Your explanation was that iPhones are faster in real world tests because Apple write the operating system and produce the hardware and you're right. But that doesn't explain how in another breath you state that Apple devices can't compete with Android devices, how your Samsung takes a **** on the iPhone 6s which has technology from 2012. Don't you see the contradiction?

DoZZa

iTrader: (4)

As an ex network security specialist, and currently a web designer and network administrator, I have needs above those of a standard user. Certain apps and features that I need cant be done on iOS thats not been jailbroken.

Ill give a couple of examples.

Call recording. All of my calls are recorded when made on my 6P. And I mean recorded direct to the device, not to some dodgy offshore data centre! There are apps available for iOS that will record your calls, but these use a remote service that is neither secure, or free. With Android, there are many apps that can record with incoming and outgoing calls direct to the device. Secure and easily available.

Security apps such as firewalls are not available on iOS, but readily available on Android. As I administrate several different websites and networks for various clients, security is of paramount importance to me. iOS cannot provide me with the security features that I need.

There are many other reasons why I now choose Android over iOS, but those are at the top of my list.

Yes, your right, just a list of specs. But the specs listed are very important. The 6P trounces on all of Apples current iPhones, the only thing that the iPhone 6S seems to do faster is booting.

All I can tell you without linking to several different Youtube videos showing speed tests between the two phones, of which the 6P always wins, is that for me, the 6P is faster than the 6S, only marginally, but its still faster.

Battery life is also vastly improved for me, and charging is ultra quick.

Your referring to haptic feedback, actually quite an old technology. All Apple did with it was make a few tweaks and call it Force Touch, hardly ground breaking is it!?

I used to love iOS, my partner uses it, she loves it, my son uses it, he loves it. And for run of the mill average users, yes, its an excellent interface with an excellent feature set.

On the whole, the range of iPhones do have superior build quality to most other manufacturers, if you ignore the bending issues that is, some Android phones bend also. But yes, generally iPhones are more aesthetically pleasing and appear to be of a higher quality. If I compare the build quality of the 6S vs my 6P, the iPhone wins hands down.

With all that said, to say iOS better than Android is just madness, as it simply cant compete. The biggest issue is Open vs Closed sourced in my opinion.

JackClark

As a ex security professional and web developer myself I wouldn't touch Android or Windows with a barge pole, quite surprised by your statement.

You should probably check the legality of recording calls, especially on such an insecure device.

toffee_pie

Jack, seriously put a sock in it. The IPhone 6 is a relic in terms of Hardware, its years out dated. Lets see how far behind Apple are with the IPhone 7.

Incidentally I have been using android since the early galaxy phones, coupled with the Nexus 2013 my missus uses, the number of times I have been hacked into or had my bank account wiped?

thats right, I am still waiting to get taken to the cleaners. This nonsense about Android being insecure is bollox, anyone who uses the 2 step verification on google or authenticitation apps that come with almost all devices and regularly installs updates has little chance of getting hacked into.

You clearly are working full time on this thread so take your time and get a coffee before replying, or ask Siri for help.

JackClark

Have another custard pie. https://www.sophos.com/en-us/securit...n-android.aspx

toffee_pie

Steve Jobs would have loved you, go to gsm arena and compare an iphone 6 versus any new samsung (or nexus for that matter)

see where i am getting to.

actually dont compare them to a new samsung compare them to models a few year old...

IPhones are years out dated and thanks to mugs like you paying top dollar Apple have became one of the richest companies on the planet.

toffee_pie

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...d-party-repair

toffee_pie

you should probably take some time out from here before you spontaneously combust.

toffee_pie

I will copy and paste this for your benefit, must be the damn browsers you are using to say you cant read linkys.

'Apple is far from out for the count, but it's true that times are changing for the company after the poorest performing quarter since anyone can remember in Q1 2016.'

'Apple Q3 2016 financial results | Apple earnings report: iPhone and Mac sales fall, overall revenue down, but Tim Cook talks up 'encouraging signs'

DoZZa

iTrader: (4)

Perfectly legal to record telephone calls.

Insecure device? And iOS is more secure than Androids latest version?

DoZZa

iTrader: (4)

Simple scaremongering tactics to increase sales, a very well known tactic of security firms.