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Old 24 October 2014, 04:31 PM
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"It is an unacceptable way for this organisation to work - to suddenly present a bill like this for such a vast sum of money with so little time to pay it," he said.

The Caravan Utilising Nomadic TravellerS have been doing this for years and years....
Old 24 October 2014, 07:12 PM
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Could be indeed all be phoney, astonished , heaped anguish for the cameras ahead of Rochester
Old 24 October 2014, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Yeah good point. Most people don't realise that in the UK vast tracts of land are owned totally obscurely, often by families going back to feudal times and some via mega-corporations who buy the land to 'farm' the billions in subsidies. It's a big issue in this country that we never had proper land reform and it's a big hidden cost on our lives.
Well I'm glad we got that out of the way nice and early. I was concerned for a second you'd managed to contribute to a thread without mentioning land ownership.
Old 24 October 2014, 07:41 PM
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He hasn't squeezed BTL in yet - only a matter of time...
Old 24 October 2014, 07:59 PM
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Was listening to the radio and apparently they do this every year. Last years correction meant we paid near on half a billion but nobody noticed...............

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Old 24 October 2014, 08:08 PM
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This bill makes the pro-EU camp's causes even weaker...take Ed Ball's "solution for the NHS" by taxing multi-million pound houes pales into insignificance.....If he were in charge along with Ed that extra few billion would have to be used to payoff the EU.
Old 24 October 2014, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Was listening to the radio and apparently they do this every year. Last years correction meant we paid near on half a billion but nobody noticed...............

Shaun

I'm no pro european but this is an important fact. I think we've received a payout for the last two years running.
Old 24 October 2014, 08:43 PM
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Oooh, don't let facts spoil it
Old 24 October 2014, 10:20 PM
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Oh god, it is embarrassing

A total Obfuscation of the facts

Orwellian doulblespeak, Anti Knowledge
Old 25 October 2014, 08:38 AM
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Contributions adjusted this way every year. If the PM/Chancellor didn't know it was coming, they are simply incompetent.
Old 25 October 2014, 09:58 AM
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Is it true that part of the calculation for this charge is based on a guess of the black market earnings? Obviously the government doesn't get any piece of that pie, hence black market. So the rest of us are liable.
Old 25 October 2014, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Is it true that part of the calculation for this charge is based on a guess of the black market earnings? Obviously the government doesn't get any piece of that pie, hence black market. So the rest of us are liable.
Yep, thats pretty much it
Old 25 October 2014, 10:25 AM
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Sod that. UK shouldn't pay anything until proper analysis of the calculation is carried out. Oh and strip out black market gdp. You can't make arbitrary assessment of unknown earnings.
Old 25 October 2014, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
"It is an unacceptable way for this organisation to work - to suddenly present a bill like this for such a vast sum of money with so little time to pay it," he said.
That's exactly what I said to HMRC when they presented me with a bill of almost £10,000 that they had "determined" even though I had given them all the tax returns and evidence they needed to reduce this bill by over £6000. HMRC didn't think my statement, like the above, was acceptable and I had to pay up immediately. One of their phone representatives even had the cheek to say "oh, well you're earning plenty so you can afford it".

Pay up Cameron you fcukwit. Feel the pain like rest of us tax payers do on a daily basis.

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Old 25 October 2014, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by piehole1983
...One of their phone representatives even had the cheek to say "oh, well you're earning plenty so you can afford it"...
That's utterly outrageous and totally unacceptable!
Old 25 October 2014, 11:35 AM
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^^^ That's the 'polite' version of my thought balloon
Old 25 October 2014, 12:00 PM
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Typical of the tax people.

Two years ago my lad left full-time work to start uni. He therefore had overpaid tax and claimed it back.

Only to receive a letter telling him that, strange as it may seem, he had UNDER paid one year by EXACTLY the amount they owed him that year...so they owed him nothing

When we queried it, sure enough, they paid up...but by this time had held onto his £800 for four months.
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Yep, thats pretty much it
Includes earnings from drugs and prostitution apparently. All this is based on the Government's own figures.
Old 25 October 2014, 12:22 PM
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I'm just wondering if this isn't a Jim Hacker, Euro sausage moment though. Manufactured drama, to which the hero comes out fighting and claiming "victory" on something that was complete cobblers in the first place. You have to remark on the timing with Rochester as well....
Old 25 October 2014, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
I'm just wondering if this isn't a Jim Hacker, Euro sausage moment though. Manufactured drama, to which the hero comes out fighting and claiming "victory" on something that was complete cobblers in the first place. You have to remark on the timing with Rochester as well....
Exactly. This ,, they signed up to this years ago - its not out the blue

They do these sums annually - had to know it was coming

Plus disparity with they knew a week ago at the exchequer but didnt tell cameron etc


Plus the figure seems to be based on growth - if the politicians werent manipulating the figures so much to try fool the populous into believing they know what they are doing truer figures would of given a different outcome - its all part of the circus

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Old 25 October 2014, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
I'm just wondering if this isn't a Jim Hacker, Euro sausage moment though. Manufactured drama, to which the hero comes out fighting and claiming "victory" on something that was complete cobblers in the first place. You have to remark on the timing with Rochester as well....
Politicians making cheap political gain? Now there's a thought!
Old 25 October 2014, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Maz
Politicians making cheap political gain? Now there's a thought!
Except this is very expensive politics!
Old 25 October 2014, 01:41 PM
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Cameron is selling our stake in Eurostar which should raise a billion or two and if he cancelled Trident he should have enough to pay EU and plug the NHS hole.

And of course if they stopped HS2....

I hope we do stay in EU. I think rags like the Daily Mail have done a lot of damage in stirring the xenophobic **** that's around.

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Old 25 October 2014, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by David Lock
Cameron is selling our stake in Eurostar which should raise a billion or two and if he cancelled Trident he should have enough to pay EU and plug the NHS hole.

And of course if they stopped HS2....

I hope we do stay in EU. I think rags like the Daily Mail have done a lot of damage in stirring the xenophobic **** that's around.

dl
Errr.... Cameron and team are overspending by 100bn PER YEAR, thats just chump change

As for your 2010-era comments of xenophobia, you are misjudging things. Its not the DM or media causing the resentment, its the numbers of immigrants and their behaviour that is, despite efforts by the BBC, Labour and useful idiots to tell people that they are "thinking wrong" and should hold different "approved" views.

As for staying in the EU, it beggars belief that the EU can ignore referendum results and keep doing them until the correct answer is given, help themselves to peoples bank accounts in Cyprus when the Gvmt ***** up, remove democratically elected heads of state in Greece and Italy, take control over nation state Parliaments, demoting them to mere regional authorities with no actual power, enforce human rights rules that actually favour criminals and illegals, help themselves to vast amounts of money that is then frittered away in huge corruption and unaudited accounts for 20 years, cause huge diplomatic problems and a virtual local war in Ukraine, cause huge environmental problems with their agricultural and fisheries policies, and yet still find useful idiots like yourself to defend the indefensible. No wonder the country has so many problems when so many idiots have the vote. Times are changing though thank f*ck
Old 25 October 2014, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Was listening to the radio and apparently they do this every year. Last years correction meant we paid near on half a billion but nobody noticed...............

Shaun
Indeed, and were supposed to believe the government had no clue about this or about its possibility?!
Old 25 October 2014, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Errr.... Cameron and team are overspending by 100bn PER YEAR, thats just chump change

As for your 2010-era comments of xenophobia, you are misjudging things. Its not the DM or media causing the resentment, its the numbers of immigrants and their behaviour that is, despite efforts by the BBC, Labour and useful idiots to tell people that they are "thinking wrong" and should hold different "approved" views.

As for staying in the EU, it beggars belief that the EU can ignore referendum results and keep doing them until the correct answer is given, help themselves to peoples bank accounts in Cyprus when the Gvmt ***** up, remove democratically elected heads of state in Greece and Italy, take control over nation state Parliaments, demoting them to mere regional authorities with no actual power, enforce human rights rules that actually favour criminals and illegals, help themselves to vast amounts of money that is then frittered away in huge corruption and unaudited accounts for 20 years, cause huge diplomatic problems and a virtual local war in Ukraine, cause huge environmental problems with their agricultural and fisheries policies, and yet still find useful idiots like yourself to defend the indefensible. No wonder the country has so many problems when so many idiots have the vote. Times are changing though thank f*ck
Says Nigel Farage's 'useful idiot'
Old 25 October 2014, 05:18 PM
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ANOTHER useful "No it isn't" post from our resident government apologist.

Any chance of an actual rebuttal where you tell us what's wrong with the above post?

Because most people I know are in agreement...and there are neither lies nor mistakes in it, AFAIK?
Old 25 October 2014, 08:34 PM
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A billion from eurotunnel.!?!?

Whoose figures are we looking at, tossco.!?!?
Old 25 October 2014, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by scoobyskool
Exactly. This ,, they signed up to this years ago - its not out the blue

They do these sums annually - had to know it was coming

Plus disparity with they knew a week ago at the exchequer but didnt tell cameron etc


Plus the figure seems to be based on growth - if the politicians werent manipulating the figures so much to try fool the populous into believing they know what they are doing truer figures would of given a different outcome - its all part of the circus

Vote UKIP
What's out of the blue is that some **** at the EU announced it so publicly, almost certainly for the sheer hell of stirring things up for Cameron, as pay-back for all his talk of renegotiating membership conditions.

For that, Cameron has every right to be annoyed.
Old 26 October 2014, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
Looks like the EU Bureaucrats want shut of us........
Like all bills, you either owe itor you dont. So do we owe it, and if we do it will be based on a signed contract.

Anyone????


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