View Poll Results: Brembos vs Godspeed
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16 July 2012, 12:27 PM
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Hi all
My front brakes on my classic are up for newal soon. Ive got 1/4 of the pad left so ill sort them out next month. Im going to be upgrading them but im not sure whats the best route. Ive seen Ian @godspeed kit for £500 which is the 335ml brake setup. The other option is going for a set up of brembo calipers and discs n pads. Are the brembos a straight swap or do i have to modify them etc
Whats your views friends????
My front brakes on my classic are up for newal soon. Ive got 1/4 of the pad left so ill sort them out next month. Im going to be upgrading them but im not sure whats the best route. Ive seen Ian @godspeed kit for £500 which is the 335ml brake setup. The other option is going for a set up of brembo calipers and discs n pads. Are the brembos a straight swap or do i have to modify them etc
Whats your views friends????
16 July 2012, 12:51 PM
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The Subaru 4 pot calipers are a good caliper, Its a shame they are on such a small disc. Our 335mm kit gets the best out of the calipers. We have a lot of people using the 335mm kit, some just fast road use, others on race cars. The kit really transforms the braking on the car.
The Brembo calipers are a good caliper don't get me wrong, They still seem to fetch strong money, we are seeing a lot of calipers coming to us with damaged threads that need repairing. It depends on your budget, like I said the Brembo calipers still fetch good money especially for a low mileage pair. Then you will need discs and pads to suit if the calipers don't come with any.
So by the time you have the calipers and a good set of discs and pads it can be costly.
The 335mm kit is complete with 2 piece discs and bells and a good set of pads, at the worst you may have to change the pistons and seals in your 4 pots if they are a bit sticky.
Hope this helps.
The Brembo calipers are a good caliper don't get me wrong, They still seem to fetch strong money, we are seeing a lot of calipers coming to us with damaged threads that need repairing. It depends on your budget, like I said the Brembo calipers still fetch good money especially for a low mileage pair. Then you will need discs and pads to suit if the calipers don't come with any.
So by the time you have the calipers and a good set of discs and pads it can be costly.
The 335mm kit is complete with 2 piece discs and bells and a good set of pads, at the worst you may have to change the pistons and seals in your 4 pots if they are a bit sticky.
Hope this helps.
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16 July 2012, 01:10 PM
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Maybe 2 or 3 a year mate but there run in the evening normally or might go on at silverstone when trax is on. Driving style tho is normally to n from work but i have a few country.lanes that i go threw
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16 July 2012, 02:32 PM
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Whats your opinion on them bud? Are they worth the extra £200. Ill do a few trackdays but nothing heavy
16 July 2012, 05:33 PM
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Jeff above has the best of both - Brembo calipers but with the big *** Godspeed 2-piece discs. I recently did a swap for him (new for old) and they were a doddle to swap over.
I'd be tempted to get the bigger discs if your calipers are in good order. Saying that, Ian does do either refurbished calipers and/or brand new anyway, so you could get the bigger discs and caliper spacing kit to fit behind your wheels.
If I had the money, I personally would get the new pistons in the existing calipers and then exploit their potential with the 335mm discs.
I'd be tempted to get the bigger discs if your calipers are in good order. Saying that, Ian does do either refurbished calipers and/or brand new anyway, so you could get the bigger discs and caliper spacing kit to fit behind your wheels.
If I had the money, I personally would get the new pistons in the existing calipers and then exploit their potential with the 335mm discs.
16 July 2012, 05:42 PM
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Cheers bud
Jeff above has the best of both - Brembo calipers but with the big *** Godspeed 2-piece discs. I recently did a swap for him (new for old) and they were a doddle to swap over.
I'd be tempted to get the bigger discs if your calipers are in good order. Saying that, Ian does do either refurbished calipers and/or brand new anyway, so you could get the bigger discs and caliper spacing kit to fit behind your wheels.
If I had the money, I personally would get the new pistons in the existing calipers and then exploit their potential with the 335mm discs.
I'd be tempted to get the bigger discs if your calipers are in good order. Saying that, Ian does do either refurbished calipers and/or brand new anyway, so you could get the bigger discs and caliper spacing kit to fit behind your wheels.
If I had the money, I personally would get the new pistons in the existing calipers and then exploit their potential with the 335mm discs.
Cheers for your input mate. Judging by the previous threads it sounds like the godspeed kit is the one to buy. What benefits will be produced by upgrading the pistons.
16 July 2012, 06:17 PM
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As far as upgrading the pistons, Ian explained it in his caliper refurbishing thread. It's basically a flaw with the standard Subaru 4-pot caliper pistons - as standard they're just normal steel (or coated - one of them), so over time they rust, eventually seizing. Refurbing either yourself with a kit (or sending to a brake specialists like Ian etc.) they refurb them totally with new seals and all that jazz BUT with stainless pistons. A simple upgrade but as Ian said, makes a massive difference and exploits a decent caliper.
I'm very tempted to have mine done on an exchange basis or buy new ones off him when it comes to brake renewal (as my car is lightly modded, I'd like the piece of mind the calipers are in a good state).
HTH
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16 July 2012, 06:35 PM
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No probs, just genuine first hand advice
As far as upgrading the pistons, Ian explained it in his caliper refurbishing thread. It's basically a flaw with the standard Subaru 4-pot caliper pistons - as standard they're just normal steel (or coated - one of them), so over time they rust, eventually seizing. Refurbing either yourself with a kit (or sending to a brake specialists like Ian etc.) they refurb them totally with new seals and all that jazz BUT with stainless pistons. A simple upgrade but as Ian said, makes a massive difference and exploits a decent caliper.
I'm very tempted to have mine done on an exchange basis or buy new ones off him when it comes to brake renewal (as my car is lightly modded, I'd like the piece of mind the calipers are in a good state).
HTH
As far as upgrading the pistons, Ian explained it in his caliper refurbishing thread. It's basically a flaw with the standard Subaru 4-pot caliper pistons - as standard they're just normal steel (or coated - one of them), so over time they rust, eventually seizing. Refurbing either yourself with a kit (or sending to a brake specialists like Ian etc.) they refurb them totally with new seals and all that jazz BUT with stainless pistons. A simple upgrade but as Ian said, makes a massive difference and exploits a decent caliper.
I'm very tempted to have mine done on an exchange basis or buy new ones off him when it comes to brake renewal (as my car is lightly modded, I'd like the piece of mind the calipers are in a good state).
HTH
16 July 2012, 06:44 PM
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But I know Ian will send you a set out refurbed and all you do is fit them and send him your old ones afterwards. He does that for a quick turnaround and you just give him a returnable deposit when you pay for the calipers off him. He returns the deposit when you post your calipers and they are reusable for him to refurbish.
https://www.scoobynet.com/trader-ann...-calipers.html
All the info. is in the above thread. Your calipers may be ok, refurbishing them is just something to get the best before they do seize
16 July 2012, 08:04 PM
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For money the Godspeed kit is good but then you've got to modify the caliper yourself with the kit and IMO its the disc and pad combination that works, nothing else, but also depends on how you drive. Personally, not a fan of the ndx blue stuff as they cant handle the very high heat temps I put through them, got fade (335 kit).The orange stuff I haven't tried my self but my mate did at Cadwell and got slight judder and slight fade, both using 5.1 fluid.
I had the Godspeed kit and had the ndx pads on them, prior to that I had ds2500 but didn't like the cold bite although the ndx were better in every way apart from hard abuse then got fade, but with the discs being thicker and bigger they cooled down pretty quick.
Now here's were my story gets intresting, I picked up some cheap brembos with carborn Lorraine rc6 pads and plain discs for a friend, but then that friend let me down on the funds (did me a favour thanks) so I thought I'd try them on mine and instantly excellent bite from cold just like the ndx but less effort, so I thought I'd sell my 335 kit and keep these for myself. Low and behold this set up was excellent for my driving style, took car to Cadwell and tested them properly and wow they were absolutly awesome with the same amount of bite from the start until I got tired after 10 laps of Absolutley nailing on the brakes at every corner, my tyres cooked before my brakes went.
So my input is this, depending on how hard you drive IMO I think the Subaru 4 pots overcook the fluid in the caliper when driven very hard, although I hadn't tried the cl rc6 pads in them, just ndx blue and ds2500. P.s using the same make fluid throughout.
So to me its the disc and pad combination that works, people said I wasn't using the correct fluid, not bedded brakes etc etc. but I now using the brembo calipers with plain discs and cl rc6 pads with the same fluid as before (halfords 5.1) and guess what no fade and no fluid boil, so the brembo calipers can take more heat from the fluid without fading.
Not telling you which to buy but just giving my personal experience on this.
Godspeed kit costs £550 and you modify the kit on your caliper
Brembos cost around £400-£450 with used discs and pads, dependant on pad set up then you change them to something of your taste which will be around £150 ish mark and mabe discs for another £200+, you do the math.
Sorry for the long post I'm sure you've got bored now lol
I had the Godspeed kit and had the ndx pads on them, prior to that I had ds2500 but didn't like the cold bite although the ndx were better in every way apart from hard abuse then got fade, but with the discs being thicker and bigger they cooled down pretty quick.
Now here's were my story gets intresting, I picked up some cheap brembos with carborn Lorraine rc6 pads and plain discs for a friend, but then that friend let me down on the funds (did me a favour thanks) so I thought I'd try them on mine and instantly excellent bite from cold just like the ndx but less effort, so I thought I'd sell my 335 kit and keep these for myself. Low and behold this set up was excellent for my driving style, took car to Cadwell and tested them properly and wow they were absolutly awesome with the same amount of bite from the start until I got tired after 10 laps of Absolutley nailing on the brakes at every corner, my tyres cooked before my brakes went.
So my input is this, depending on how hard you drive IMO I think the Subaru 4 pots overcook the fluid in the caliper when driven very hard, although I hadn't tried the cl rc6 pads in them, just ndx blue and ds2500. P.s using the same make fluid throughout.
So to me its the disc and pad combination that works, people said I wasn't using the correct fluid, not bedded brakes etc etc. but I now using the brembo calipers with plain discs and cl rc6 pads with the same fluid as before (halfords 5.1) and guess what no fade and no fluid boil, so the brembo calipers can take more heat from the fluid without fading.
Not telling you which to buy but just giving my personal experience on this.
Godspeed kit costs £550 and you modify the kit on your caliper
Brembos cost around £400-£450 with used discs and pads, dependant on pad set up then you change them to something of your taste which will be around £150 ish mark and mabe discs for another £200+, you do the math.
Sorry for the long post I'm sure you've got bored now lol
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16 July 2012, 08:58 PM
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For money the Godspeed kit is good but then you've got to modify the caliper yourself with the kit and IMO its the disc and pad combination that works, nothing else, but also depends on how you drive. Personally, not a fan of the ndx blue stuff as they cant handle the very high heat temps I put through them, got fade (335 kit).The orange stuff I haven't tried my self but my mate did at Cadwell and got slight judder and slight fade, both using 5.1 fluid.
I had the Godspeed kit and had the ndx pads on them, prior to that I had ds2500 but didn't like the cold bite although the ndx were better in every way apart from hard abuse then got fade, but with the discs being thicker and bigger they cooled down pretty quick.
Now here's were my story gets intresting, I picked up some cheap brembos with carborn Lorraine rc6 pads and plain discs for a friend, but then that friend let me down on the funds (did me a favour thanks) so I thought I'd try them on mine and instantly excellent bite from cold just like the ndx but less effort, so I thought I'd sell my 335 kit and keep these for myself. Low and behold this set up was excellent for my driving style, took car to Cadwell and tested them properly and wow they were absolutly awesome with the same amount of bite from the start until I got tired after 10 laps of Absolutley nailing on the brakes at every corner, my tyres cooked before my brakes went.
So my input is this, depending on how hard you drive IMO I think the Subaru 4 pots overcook the fluid in the caliper when driven very hard, although I hadn't tried the cl rc6 pads in them, just ndx blue and ds2500. P.s using the same make fluid throughout.
So to me its the disc and pad combination that works, people said I wasn't using the correct fluid, not bedded brakes etc etc. but I now using the brembo calipers with plain discs and cl rc6 pads with the same fluid as before (halfords 5.1) and guess what no fade and no fluid boil, so the brembo calipers can take more heat from the fluid without fading.
Not telling you which to buy but just giving my personal experience on this.
Godspeed kit costs £550 and you modify the kit on your caliper
Brembos cost around £400-£450 with used discs and pads, dependant on pad set up then you change them to something of your taste which will be around £150 ish mark and mabe discs for another £200+, you do the math.
Sorry for the long post I'm sure you've got bored now lol
I had the Godspeed kit and had the ndx pads on them, prior to that I had ds2500 but didn't like the cold bite although the ndx were better in every way apart from hard abuse then got fade, but with the discs being thicker and bigger they cooled down pretty quick.
Now here's were my story gets intresting, I picked up some cheap brembos with carborn Lorraine rc6 pads and plain discs for a friend, but then that friend let me down on the funds (did me a favour thanks) so I thought I'd try them on mine and instantly excellent bite from cold just like the ndx but less effort, so I thought I'd sell my 335 kit and keep these for myself. Low and behold this set up was excellent for my driving style, took car to Cadwell and tested them properly and wow they were absolutly awesome with the same amount of bite from the start until I got tired after 10 laps of Absolutley nailing on the brakes at every corner, my tyres cooked before my brakes went.
So my input is this, depending on how hard you drive IMO I think the Subaru 4 pots overcook the fluid in the caliper when driven very hard, although I hadn't tried the cl rc6 pads in them, just ndx blue and ds2500. P.s using the same make fluid throughout.
So to me its the disc and pad combination that works, people said I wasn't using the correct fluid, not bedded brakes etc etc. but I now using the brembo calipers with plain discs and cl rc6 pads with the same fluid as before (halfords 5.1) and guess what no fade and no fluid boil, so the brembo calipers can take more heat from the fluid without fading.
Not telling you which to buy but just giving my personal experience on this.
Godspeed kit costs £550 and you modify the kit on your caliper
Brembos cost around £400-£450 with used discs and pads, dependant on pad set up then you change them to something of your taste which will be around £150 ish mark and mabe discs for another £200+, you do the math.
Sorry for the long post I'm sure you've got bored now lol
16 July 2012, 09:14 PM
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if you have the Brembos, the discs to go for would be the Godspeed two-piece ones, which are nearly £300, but have alloy bells, so dissipating the heat quicker.
Plus you need STi newage wheels to clear them at the front.
WRX wheels will clear Brembos at the rear
Plus you need STi newage wheels to clear them at the front.
WRX wheels will clear Brembos at the rear
16 July 2012, 09:16 PM
#26
Most people make use of the disc and pads that are supplied and then buy new when it's time.
Yes and wheel which I forgot, so yeah more money there.
I have some newage sti wheels for sale that will clear.
So the k sports is a option too but then again need wheels to clear.
So if non of the above suit the op then Godspeed kit is the one left
16 July 2012, 10:16 PM
#27
Exactly, I was lucky to buy a good combo that suited me, but I will deffinattly be getting the same pads.
Most people make use of the disc and pads that are supplied and then buy new when it's time.
Yes and wheel which I forgot, so yeah more money there.
I have some newage sti wheels for sale that will clear.
So the k sports is a option too but then again need wheels to clear.
So if non of the above suit the op then Godspeed kit is the one left
Most people make use of the disc and pads that are supplied and then buy new when it's time.
Yes and wheel which I forgot, so yeah more money there.
I have some newage sti wheels for sale that will clear.
So the k sports is a option too but then again need wheels to clear.
So if non of the above suit the op then Godspeed kit is the one left
We are running K-Sport 8pots 356mm on the low offset 17",K-Sport callipers will clear OE STi or WRX alloys,because they're not chunky as Brembo
About the pads,PF Z-rated pads gets my vote,no dusting as we have with NDX or DS2500,braking is improved with PF
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