Best brake combination while keeping Brembos
14 April 2011, 05:42 PM
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Best brake combination while keeping Brembos
Whats the best disks and pads to get for the brembo calipers?
The car is fast road and the odd track maybe twice a year.
In an ideal world Id be buying ap's but cant afford to buy them and 18 inch wheels and tyres it would need.
cars a my03 spec c with 360hp.
The car is fast road and the odd track maybe twice a year.
In an ideal world Id be buying ap's but cant afford to buy them and 18 inch wheels and tyres it would need.
cars a my03 spec c with 360hp.
14 April 2011, 07:03 PM
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Drop a PM to Ian at Godspeed, he posts on here as iangodney, or ian@godspeedbrakes.co.uk.
15 April 2011, 07:57 AM
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No just been mega busy so haven't had much time to be on here.
To the OP.
There are various set ups available for your use , raging from good one piece grooved discs with good pads , up to 2 piece discs and bells to fit the original Brembo's.
As some examples , I can supply you
My grooved discs with black painted centres with Performance Friction 01 pads would be £220 , discs with Bluestuff NDX are £250 , or with Ferodo DS2500's are £295 , out of the 3 set ups , I prefere the NDX pads.
For 2 piece discs , I can supply you our own make 2 piece discs and bells for £356.94
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...?id_product=28
Or PF discs with our own made bells for £475 a pair
Hope this helps
Cheers Ian
To the OP.
There are various set ups available for your use , raging from good one piece grooved discs with good pads , up to 2 piece discs and bells to fit the original Brembo's.
As some examples , I can supply you
My grooved discs with black painted centres with Performance Friction 01 pads would be £220 , discs with Bluestuff NDX are £250 , or with Ferodo DS2500's are £295 , out of the 3 set ups , I prefere the NDX pads.
For 2 piece discs , I can supply you our own make 2 piece discs and bells for £356.94
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...?id_product=28
Or PF discs with our own made bells for £475 a pair
Hope this helps
Cheers Ian
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15 April 2011, 11:26 AM
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How much better do you guys rate the 2 piece discs over the normal discs?
Im guessing they will keep cooler, so should last longer??
Just want to weigh up my options .
cheers
Im guessing they will keep cooler, so should last longer??
Just want to weigh up my options .
cheers
15 April 2011, 11:46 AM
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By the way, you wouldn't necessarily need 18's for all of the AP's. The 4 pots can take the 330mm disc, so marginally bigger than the Brembo's, and I think you can go slightly bigger than that, maybe not 356mm, without needing 18's.
Also, with AP's you'll have a bigger choice of 17 inch wheels that they clear, whereas the Brembo's are quite limited.
AP's are the brakes I wish I got.
Also, with AP's you'll have a bigger choice of 17 inch wheels that they clear, whereas the Brembo's are quite limited.
AP's are the brakes I wish I got.
15 April 2011, 11:54 AM
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With a 2 piece disc , the benefits are that as the bells are made from aluminium , aluminium dissipates heat quicker than steel or iron , so the discs will run slightly cooler , and you will get less heat transfer into the bearings.
The discs will be lighter so you have less unsprung weight , so will give the suspension an easier time.
And as the discs can move very slightly on the bells , when they heat up and cool down , expanding and contracting , its unlikely for the discs to go out of shape and warp.
A 2 piece disc is far better overall compared to a one piece disc.
Hopefully this gives you a better insight than just saying the cheap ones are crap buy the expensive ones
Cheers Ian
The discs will be lighter so you have less unsprung weight , so will give the suspension an easier time.
And as the discs can move very slightly on the bells , when they heat up and cool down , expanding and contracting , its unlikely for the discs to go out of shape and warp.
A 2 piece disc is far better overall compared to a one piece disc.
Hopefully this gives you a better insight than just saying the cheap ones are crap buy the expensive ones
Cheers Ian
15 April 2011, 09:31 PM
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How hard do you drive the car on the road??
As I am running the PF discs and PF Z compound pads and am struggling to keep them at decent running temps on the road. Which ends up causing juddering under moderate braking. Only solution I have found, is to literally drive with my left foot on the brake everywhere I go.
Do a search on here there are a couple of us struggling with it... I am running Z compound pads and the other guy was running the same discs and NDX bluestuff pads.
I have now bought the missus a new car and the scooby is going to to track with a little road use.
Personally I would not go this "heavy" on the disc/pads setup if you were not seriously looking at hard track days. However, if you are looking for that, then the PF discs are fantastic, but I would give the NDX bluestuff pads a go, as the Z compounds dont quite have that sharpness you want.
As I am running the PF discs and PF Z compound pads and am struggling to keep them at decent running temps on the road. Which ends up causing juddering under moderate braking. Only solution I have found, is to literally drive with my left foot on the brake everywhere I go.
Do a search on here there are a couple of us struggling with it... I am running Z compound pads and the other guy was running the same discs and NDX bluestuff pads.
I have now bought the missus a new car and the scooby is going to to track with a little road use.
Personally I would not go this "heavy" on the disc/pads setup if you were not seriously looking at hard track days. However, if you are looking for that, then the PF discs are fantastic, but I would give the NDX bluestuff pads a go, as the Z compounds dont quite have that sharpness you want.
Last edited by grahamc; 15 April 2011 at 09:32 PM.
15 April 2011, 09:37 PM
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With a 2 piece disc , the benefits are that as the bells are made from aluminium , aluminium dissipates heat quicker than steel or iron , so the discs will run slightly cooler , and you will get less heat transfer into the bearings.
The discs will be lighter so you have less unsprung weight , so will give the suspension an easier time.
And as the discs can move very slightly on the bells , when they heat up and cool down , expanding and contracting , its unlikely for the discs to go out of shape and warp.
A 2 piece disc is far better overall compared to a one piece disc.
Hopefully this gives you a better insight than just saying the cheap ones are crap buy the expensive ones
Cheers Ian
The discs will be lighter so you have less unsprung weight , so will give the suspension an easier time.
And as the discs can move very slightly on the bells , when they heat up and cool down , expanding and contracting , its unlikely for the discs to go out of shape and warp.
A 2 piece disc is far better overall compared to a one piece disc.
Hopefully this gives you a better insight than just saying the cheap ones are crap buy the expensive ones
Cheers Ian
Missing a fair bit of info
It's not just the price of the discs and expensive vs cheap.
2 Piece discs vary widely in design and quality. Fixed vs Floating, straight vane vs curved vane, OEM quality vs high carbon content etc etc.
15 April 2011, 09:39 PM
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How hard do you drive the car on the road??
As I am running the PF discs and PF Z compound pads and am struggling to keep them at decent running temps on the road. Which ends up causing juddering under moderate braking. Only solution I have found, is to literally drive with my left foot on the brake everywhere I go.
Do a search on here there are a couple of us struggling with it... I am running Z compound pads and the other guy was running the same discs and NDX bluestuff pads.
I have now bought the missus a new car and the scooby is going to to track with a little road use.
Personally I would not go this "heavy" on the disc/pads setup if you were not seriously looking at hard track days. However, if you are looking for that, then the PF discs are fantastic, but I would give the NDX bluestuff pads a go, as the Z compounds dont quite have that sharpness you want.
As I am running the PF discs and PF Z compound pads and am struggling to keep them at decent running temps on the road. Which ends up causing juddering under moderate braking. Only solution I have found, is to literally drive with my left foot on the brake everywhere I go.
Do a search on here there are a couple of us struggling with it... I am running Z compound pads and the other guy was running the same discs and NDX bluestuff pads.
I have now bought the missus a new car and the scooby is going to to track with a little road use.
Personally I would not go this "heavy" on the disc/pads setup if you were not seriously looking at hard track days. However, if you are looking for that, then the PF discs are fantastic, but I would give the NDX bluestuff pads a go, as the Z compounds dont quite have that sharpness you want.
Z compound pads will eat discs if not used hard enough on a regular basis and cause other problems, like the ones you've mentioned.
15 April 2011, 09:43 PM
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Well now the car is only used for hard road driving and track days... I just struggle to find roads that allow me to do the full bed-in process, roads are terrible around me and I struggle to do 3-4 stops in a row, let-alone 8 or so...
Last edited by grahamc; 15 April 2011 at 09:49 PM.
15 April 2011, 10:22 PM
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I'm curious to hear why you think a pad not used hard will eat discs , the easier you use a pad , will be easier on a disc , you say its a PF pad thing , but then he mentions his friend with PF discs and NDX pads is getting the same problem , so could be a PF 2 piece disc problem ??
Last edited by Godspeed Brakes; 15 April 2011 at 10:24 PM.
15 April 2011, 10:33 PM
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I have a thread on here and there was another thread on here about PF discs and NDX pads... will look it up
PF discs and NDX pads juddering
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...ke-judder.html
PF discs and NDX pads juddering
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...ke-judder.html
Last edited by grahamc; 15 April 2011 at 10:40 PM.
15 April 2011, 11:00 PM
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I have a thread on here and there was another thread on here about PF discs and NDX pads... will look it up
PF discs and NDX pads juddering
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...ke-judder.html
PF discs and NDX pads juddering
https://www.scoobynet.com/wheels-tyr...ke-judder.html
Yep, judder like ****, they are coming off soon, disks from Ian sitting in the hall ready to go on, hopefully no more judder.
I can't speculate on the cause, but I'm not risking another set of expensive PF disks going wonky on me. Honestly feels like the wheels will shake off, scary.
15 April 2011, 11:48 PM
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Yep, judder like ****, they are coming off soon, disks from Ian sitting in the hall ready to go on, hopefully no more judder.
I can't speculate on the cause, but I'm not risking another set of expensive PF disks going wonky on me. Honestly feels like the wheels will shake off, scary.
I can't speculate on the cause, but I'm not risking another set of expensive PF disks going wonky on me. Honestly feels like the wheels will shake off, scary.
16 April 2011, 09:07 AM
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seeing as the PF 2piece disc set-up is about the best quality on the market it would suggest you have an issue other than simply a "disc" problem.....
the most common problem is casued by incorrect fitting, warped drive flanges or simply debris between the flange and the bell...without identifying it you are likely going to be in the same boat again
alyn
the most common problem is casued by incorrect fitting, warped drive flanges or simply debris between the flange and the bell...without identifying it you are likely going to be in the same boat again
alyn
16 April 2011, 11:03 AM
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well there's your exact issue then IMO.....
the Brembo caliper retains a lot of heat (in comparison to others) and hence can casue higher than average pad temps, that will then potentially result in pad 'drop-out' and vibration......
you can also fall into contamination issues switching materials if the discs aren't "cleaned", particuarly when going from a more aggressive material as in your case
alyn
the Brembo caliper retains a lot of heat (in comparison to others) and hence can casue higher than average pad temps, that will then potentially result in pad 'drop-out' and vibration......
you can also fall into contamination issues switching materials if the discs aren't "cleaned", particuarly when going from a more aggressive material as in your case
alyn
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