Brake hoses - worth it?
21 September 2007, 01:47 PM
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Brake hoses - worth it?
Upgraded my front brakes from standard to Black diamond discs and Ferodo DS2500 pads 3months ago - I don't feel the same confidence I had with the OEM stuff before under hard braking 
and there is still a droning noise when braking from high speeds (I thought this was the low pads from before the change!). Rear discs and pads were checked as being fine, so I am wondering if uprated hoses may make a reasonable difference. Anyone got experience of just changing to these with no other mods to say whether they are a good choice or not?
and there is still a droning noise when braking from high speeds (I thought this was the low pads from before the change!). Rear discs and pads were checked as being fine, so I am wondering if uprated hoses may make a reasonable difference. Anyone got experience of just changing to these with no other mods to say whether they are a good choice or not?
21 September 2007, 03:24 PM
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If it was only the cost of buying them, then yes. But I can't fit them as I assume brake bleeding needs done, etc. I can see the bill topping £100. Does a good brand fluid also make a good defference?
21 September 2007, 03:27 PM
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21 September 2007, 05:52 PM
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and there is still a droning noise when braking from high speeds
I've fitted the hoses all round too but didn't notice much difference to be honest.
21 September 2007, 07:46 PM
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considering the price of the brake fluid buy the best you can get.one of the best mods i've done
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22 September 2007, 02:04 AM
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If you’re doing a track day for instance or a lot of hard braking for what ever reason you need better hoses!
The thing is there becomes a time when you brakes are so hot and you’re using them so much when you have to OE hoses on the fluid is not getting to were it needs to be (pressure is too much for them). It is just blowing up in the hose it self and so you are not getting the braking power you need!
With the braded hoses they are a lot stronger because of the metal around them so you have full fluid pressure all the time.
Also the fluid you use does matter... Rubbish fluid brakes down to easy and can't deal with higher temps!
Trust me even if you get someone else to do it, it will be the best £100 you could spend
22 September 2007, 05:37 AM
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I’m with church hill too
The thing is there becomes a time when you brakes are so hot and you’re using them so much when you have to OE hoses on the fluid is not getting to were it needs to be (pressure is too much for them). It is just blowing up in the hose it self and so you are not getting the braking power you need!
With the braded hoses they are a lot stronger because of the metal around them so you have full fluid pressure all the time.
The thing is there becomes a time when you brakes are so hot and you’re using them so much when you have to OE hoses on the fluid is not getting to were it needs to be (pressure is too much for them). It is just blowing up in the hose it self and so you are not getting the braking power you need!
With the braded hoses they are a lot stronger because of the metal around them so you have full fluid pressure all the time.
What braided hoses do is not distort so much under high internal pressure, so if you feel your brakes are too sharp (responce v pedal travel) they MAY make it worse, if you feel the travel is too high for the responce YOU want then braided hoses MAY help (or may not).
What Braided hoses will not do is
1/ Improve the outright braking available
2/ Reduce the pedal effort for a given amount of braking
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22 September 2007, 09:10 AM
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What a load of twaddle....the fluid pressure at one end of the hose = the fluid pressure at the other otherwise you get a small flow and then it definately does! 'Rubber' OE hoses are also more than capable of dealing with the temperatures seen.....you've read to much Max Power!
What braided hoses do is not distort so much under high internal pressure, so if you feel your brakes are too sharp (responce v pedal travel) they MAY make it worse, if you feel the travel is too high for the responce YOU want then braided hoses MAY help (or may not).
What Braided hoses will not do is
1/ Improve the outright braking available
2/ Reduce the pedal effort for a given amount of braking
Simon
What braided hoses do is not distort so much under high internal pressure, so if you feel your brakes are too sharp (responce v pedal travel) they MAY make it worse, if you feel the travel is too high for the responce YOU want then braided hoses MAY help (or may not).
What Braided hoses will not do is
1/ Improve the outright braking available
2/ Reduce the pedal effort for a given amount of braking
Simon
Max power???
Nar mate Slow boy racing uk gave me all that info! And i think they would know a thing or 2 having a 600+ bhp scooby of there own
22 September 2007, 09:36 AM
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I have had goodridge braided lines on all 3 scoobs and they do improve the brake 'feel' through the pedal, but I have always uprated the brakes a bit at the same time so can't say on their own what they are like 
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22 September 2007, 09:46 AM
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I had Black Diamond D&G on my other scooby and had that very same droning
noise....
On my 2001 UK300 i fitted EBC Sports Discs with Braided Hoses and these seem a great deal better.....
As for the cost of the Hoses as someone else has said get in a group buy you'll get them much cheaper..sure mine only came to about £50-£60
Peppe....
noise....
On my 2001 UK300 i fitted EBC Sports Discs with Braided Hoses and these seem a great deal better.....
As for the cost of the Hoses as someone else has said get in a group buy you'll get them much cheaper..sure mine only came to about £50-£60
Peppe....
got mine delivered for £58 off ebay thru JW racing
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They may know about engines, but they clearly know F-all about brakes - think logically, you can't have different pressures at each end of a hose unless there is enough flow and restriction...as there is no more restriction (in fact if the rubber ballons as much as some claim there is clearly less!) and no flow once steady braking is achived - its clearly bull!
Why do so many on here like to repeat stuff thats clearly rubbish without engaging brain!
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23 September 2007, 09:48 AM
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I found that the hoses did make a difference to braking feel (every day driving and fast road/track).
But this will not solve the problems you have with noise, maybe the pads not compatable with these discs??
I use DS2500 with no problem with noise etc.
OEM would be better from cold, but DS2500 pads are pretty good for all round use and I could not tell the difference that much.
I used redstuff pads a few years ago these were noisy and crap from cold.
Are you sure the pads are Ferodo DS2500 s .
Make sure the brake fluid is fresh as well, as stated below.
But this will not solve the problems you have with noise, maybe the pads not compatable with these discs??
I use DS2500 with no problem with noise etc.
OEM would be better from cold, but DS2500 pads are pretty good for all round use and I could not tell the difference that much.
I used redstuff pads a few years ago these were noisy and crap from cold.
Are you sure the pads are Ferodo DS2500 s .
Make sure the brake fluid is fresh as well, as stated below.
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They may know about engines, but they clearly know F-all about brakes - think logically, you can't have different pressures at each end of a hose unless there is enough flow and restriction...as there is no more restriction (in fact if the rubber ballons as much as some claim there is clearly less!) and no flow once steady braking is achived - its clearly bull!
Why do so many on here like to repeat stuff thats clearly rubbish without engaging brain!
Simon
It sounded better my way
29 September 2007, 05:12 PM
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Simon thank you for your kind comments.
I think this is a case of don’t shoot the messenger,
What I actually said, was that braided hoses will help towards reducing brake fade and improve the feel used along with a fresh change of good quality fluid.
With out going into the mechanics can you honestly say this makes no difference?
And having driven countless Subaru’s and fitted them running Ap, Brembo, stoptech, Alcons High spec including various vented not vented disks fluids and so on I do have a very tiny idea of what works well.
Regards
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Simon thank you for your kind comments.
I think this is a case of don’t shoot the messenger,
What I actually said, was that braided hoses will help towards reducing brake fade and improve the feel used along with a fresh change of good quality fluid.
With out going into the mechanics can you honestly say this makes no difference?
And having driven countless Subaru’s and fitted them running Ap, Brembo, stoptech, Alcons High spec including various vented not vented disks fluids and so on I do have a very tiny idea of what works well.
Regards
I think this is a case of don’t shoot the messenger,
What I actually said, was that braided hoses will help towards reducing brake fade and improve the feel used along with a fresh change of good quality fluid.
With out going into the mechanics can you honestly say this makes no difference?
And having driven countless Subaru’s and fitted them running Ap, Brembo, stoptech, Alcons High spec including various vented not vented disks fluids and so on I do have a very tiny idea of what works well.
Regards
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10 October 2007, 12:24 PM
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Sorry - been away for a bit - Cheers for all the feedback on this!
I think I'll have a dabble with the hoses and new fluid, but might wait until the next service. Also liking the ideas of the brake stopper kits from CDF. Easy to fit?
I think I'll have a dabble with the hoses and new fluid, but might wait until the next service. Also liking the ideas of the brake stopper kits from CDF. Easy to fit?
10 October 2007, 06:49 PM
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to be honest i didn't find that it made any difference at all to the feel of the pedal.
i also had one on my old classic and on that it did give a more solid feel, but wether it's because of the extra stiffness in the newage chassis, or the brakes are better to start with, i personally don't think it's worth doing (IMHO
)but hey, it's only £30odd and looks nice under the bonnet
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I have fitted the goodridge hoses and the bracing bracket for the master cylinder. What a difference the brakes are much more responcive. As "The Rookie" says there is no difference in pressure but due to the hoses bing more rigid than the OE items and the master cylinder bracket reducing flexing of the bulkhead under braking. Less movement of the brake pedal is required, thus the brakes respond more quickly I spent a bit more on brake fluid and used the Silicon fluid, yes it is expensive initially but will NEVER need changing as it does not absorb water and if you spill it on the car whilst doing the brakes it won't strip the paint.
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