PFF7 Copy`s
16 January 2005, 08:41 PM
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PFF7 Copy`s
Just a quick note to say that i have just received my pff copy`s, now i know some may say " i would never put a copy on/ only originals for me " etc,etc but i must say they are SUPERB ! and also very light, i was slightly concerned when i ordered them that they would be overly heavy but they seem very light, does anyone know how much an original pff weighs ??, i am going to way these wheels tomorrow at work then because they cost nowhere near dealer prices or group buy prices for the originals i am going to splash out on the rubber, anyone have any suggestions ??.The only obvious givaway is they dont have prodrive stamped into the inside of the rim other than that they seem identical. I will post some pics once i get them wrapped in rubber and on the car but i am delighted 
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They are now fitted to the car, i put 225/40/18 toyo t1s on, i am delighted with the way it looks, i will post pics tomorrow and you can see what you think.cheers
21 January 2005, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Aly Mac
They are now fitted to the car, i put 225/40/18 toyo t1s on, i am delighted with the way it looks, i will post pics tomorrow and you can see what you think.cheers
22 January 2005, 02:22 PM
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Hopefully if i remembered how to do this right are some pictures of them on the car, what do you think ??
i think it looks alot better than it used to
i would have taken a few more pics but the batteries in the camera gave up the ghost
i think it looks alot better than it used to
i would have taken a few more pics but the batteries in the camera gave up the ghost
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22 January 2005, 11:17 PM
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A mate of mine bought some of these off eBay recently. Look very good, but I have to say I would be concerned about them being simply cast from a mould of a proper PFF7. I'm no expert in the field, but I believe the PFF7 are "flowformed" allowing the alloy to be much thinner than on "cast" wheels whilst retaining strength. I think the OZ Superlegerra's are made using the same method, and again they are very light by being very thin. To use the same physical proportions on a "cast" wheel cannot possibly be as strong ???
Badone, can you jack up a front corner and spin the wheel whilst inspecting the inside rim. If the rim edge appears to wobble, then they have buckled. If not
and good luck with them. Just stay away from potholes 
Badone, can you jack up a front corner and spin the wheel whilst inspecting the inside rim. If the rim edge appears to wobble, then they have buckled. If not
and good luck with them. Just stay away from potholes
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Originally Posted by corradoboy
A mate of mine bought some of these off eBay recently. Look very good, but I have to say I would be concerned about them being simply cast from a mould of a proper PFF7. I'm no expert in the field, but I believe the PFF7 are "flowformed" allowing the alloy to be much thinner than on "cast" wheels whilst retaining strength. I think the OZ Superlegerra's are made using the same method, and again they are very light by being very thin. To use the same physical proportions on a "cast" wheel cannot possibly be as strong ???
Badone, can you jack up a front corner and spin the wheel whilst inspecting the inside rim. If the rim edge appears to wobble, then they have buckled. If not and good luck with them. Just stay away from potholes
Badone, can you jack up a front corner and spin the wheel whilst inspecting the inside rim. If the rim edge appears to wobble, then they have buckled. If not
and good luck with them. Just stay away from potholes 
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Originally Posted by Badone
Corradoboy - I have a few small chips on the face so not sure why you are suggesting I check to see if the wheels are buckled?
24 January 2005, 01:33 PM
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Choosing the right specification of wheels and tyres is a bit of a minefield and is not as easy as saying 'they look the same and they are the same size so they must be OK'
The speed rating of the std tyres are a 90W and the normal aftermarket load rating is an 88Y in 225/40ZR18. This is fine for the front of a Porsche or similar but not for a relatively front heavy car like an Impreza. The general rule is that you should never go below the load rating of the OE tyre.
Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
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The price for our wheels and 225/40ZR18 92Y PZero Nero tyres is now £1600
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The speed rating of the std tyres are a 90W and the normal aftermarket load rating is an 88Y in 225/40ZR18. This is fine for the front of a Porsche or similar but not for a relatively front heavy car like an Impreza. The general rule is that you should never go below the load rating of the OE tyre.
Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
my cossy
The price for our wheels and 225/40ZR18 92Y PZero Nero tyres is now £1600
Mike
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Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
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I don't want to start an argument here and I don't intend to cause offence but I feel we're being portrayed as irresponsible idiots.
1/ If we stamp a wheel VIA & JWL it's because it meets or exceeds the VIA & JWL standards that are required of it. We don't just stamp it there because it looks good.
2/ The wheels are made from a different mold to the Pf7 in a completely different country.
3/ The wheels have a VIA approved weight loading of 690kg, more than adequate for the Impreza.
4/ some of the additional checks/processes that the wheels go through are heat treatment, x-ray, radial fatigue test, cornering endurance test, 13 and 30degree impact test, salt spray test etc, etc.
5/ Flow formed wheels are inherrently stronger than gravity cast but 95% of all aftermarket wheels are gravity cast. Gravity cast is a world wide accepted manufacturing process for aluminium wheels.
I do not know how our wheel compares to the Pf7 for strength but I can tell you that ours is more than adequate for the purpose it is intended. We have been doing this for nearly 20 years.
Constructive criticism and questions are always welcome but it would be appreciated if people wouldn't make derogatory statements about something they know little or nothing about.
Sorry for the outburst.
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Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
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I don't want to start an argument here and I don't intend to cause offence but I feel we're being portrayed as irresponsible idiots.
1/ If we stamp a wheel VIA & JWL it's because it meets or exceeds the VIA & JWL standards that are required of it. We don't just stamp it there because it looks good.
2/ The wheels are made from a different mold to the Pf7 in a completely different country.
3/ The wheels have a VIA approved weight loading of 690kg, more than adequate for the Impreza.
4/ some of the additional checks/processes that the wheels go through are heat treatment, x-ray, radial fatigue test, cornering endurance test, 13 and 30degree impact test, salt spray test etc, etc.
5/ Flow formed wheels are inherrently stronger than gravity cast but 95% of all aftermarket wheels are gravity cast. Gravity cast is a world wide accepted manufacturing process for aluminium wheels.
I do not know how our wheel compares to the Pf7 for strength but I can tell you that ours is more than adequate for the purpose it is intended. We have been doing this for nearly 20 years.
Constructive criticism and questions are always welcome but it would be appreciated if people wouldn't make derogatory statements about something they know little or nothing about.
Sorry for the outburst.
25 January 2005, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by darexms
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Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
"
I don't want to start an argument here and I don't intend to cause offence but I feel we're being portrayed as irresponsible idiots.
1/ If we stamp a wheel VIA & JWL it's because it meets or exceeds the VIA & JWL standards that are required of it. We don't just stamp it there because it looks good.
2/ The wheels are made from a different mold to the Pf7 in a completely different country.
3/ The wheels have a VIA approved weight loading of 690kg, more than adequate for the Impreza.
4/ some of the additional checks/processes that the wheels go through are heat treatment, x-ray, radial fatigue test, cornering endurance test, 13 and 30degree impact test, salt spray test etc, etc.
5/ Flow formed wheels are inherrently stronger than gravity cast but 95% of all aftermarket wheels are gravity cast. Gravity cast is a world wide accepted manufacturing process for aluminium wheels.
I do not know how our wheel compares to the Pf7 for strength but I can tell you that ours is more than adequate for the purpose it is intended. We have been doing this for nearly 20 years.
Constructive criticism and questions are always welcome but it would be appreciated if people wouldn't make derogatory statements about something they know little or nothing about.
Sorry for the outburst.
"
Broadly the same thing applies to the wheel as well. Assuming the wheel is a direct copy of the P-FF7 (it appears to be identical, even down to keeping the cast in JWL and VIA marking but removing everything else!) then as it won't be flowformed it will not be as strong in the inner rim and therefore would not pass the test at the GVW loading for an STi to get the JWL/VIA accreditation.
"
I don't want to start an argument here and I don't intend to cause offence but I feel we're being portrayed as irresponsible idiots.
1/ If we stamp a wheel VIA & JWL it's because it meets or exceeds the VIA & JWL standards that are required of it. We don't just stamp it there because it looks good.
2/ The wheels are made from a different mold to the Pf7 in a completely different country.
3/ The wheels have a VIA approved weight loading of 690kg, more than adequate for the Impreza.
4/ some of the additional checks/processes that the wheels go through are heat treatment, x-ray, radial fatigue test, cornering endurance test, 13 and 30degree impact test, salt spray test etc, etc.
5/ Flow formed wheels are inherrently stronger than gravity cast but 95% of all aftermarket wheels are gravity cast. Gravity cast is a world wide accepted manufacturing process for aluminium wheels.
I do not know how our wheel compares to the Pf7 for strength but I can tell you that ours is more than adequate for the purpose it is intended. We have been doing this for nearly 20 years.
Constructive criticism and questions are always welcome but it would be appreciated if people wouldn't make derogatory statements about something they know little or nothing about.
Sorry for the outburst.
25 January 2005, 10:34 PM
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they are being sold as prodrive replicas and as darexms says they are not flowformed but gravity cast,if you have bought a £20,000+ car would you scrimp on cheap replicas considering how a subaru is normally driven!
i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
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i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
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26 January 2005, 12:48 AM
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This thread is certainly raising a few questions and eyebrows at the same time it seems, what darexms says is all great and answers questions but to me doesn`t really matter all that much. I bought these wheels because i thought that they represented good value for money, me and i am sure everyone else who has bought them done so knowing they were not flowformed wheels and probably not as strong as the pff7`s, but hey who gives a f3ck ! because i am delighted with them and from my point of view the reason i bought the copy`s instead of the originals is because i reckoned i was going to spend approx 3K on the car and in doing this i wanted these wheels and plenty more power so buying the copy`s has also allowed me to look at the triple-3 conversion offered by TSL and spending the kind of money i knew that i had to spend, if that makes sense.cheers
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they are being sold as prodrive replicas and as darexms says they are not flowformed but gravity cast,if you have bought a £20,000+ car would you scrimp on cheap replicas considering how a subaru is normally driven!
i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
martin
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It seems that people look at the price before the product? I understand what you mean but would you hold a higher regard for the wheels if they were just more expensive? We could have made the product in.....
Flow form,
Counter pressure,
Low pressure,
Forged etc.,
But decided the majority of consumers wouldn't be prepared to pay the money to lose that extra 0.5 kg or so from the wheel. (normally the above processes are about reducing weight rather than increasing strength for something of a common application)
We could have priced the wheels higher but our policy is to be fair and competitive.
Thank you everyone for your comments.
p1doc
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they are being sold as prodrive replicas and as darexms says they are not flowformed but gravity cast,if you have bought a £20,000+ car would you scrimp on cheap replicas considering how a subaru is normally driven!
i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
martin
"
It seems that people look at the price before the product? I understand what you mean but would you hold a higher regard for the wheels if they were just more expensive? We could have made the product in.....
Flow form,
Counter pressure,
Low pressure,
Forged etc.,
But decided the majority of consumers wouldn't be prepared to pay the money to lose that extra 0.5 kg or so from the wheel. (normally the above processes are about reducing weight rather than increasing strength for something of a common application)
We could have priced the wheels higher but our policy is to be fair and competitive.
Thank you everyone for your comments.
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Originally Posted by darexms
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p1doc
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they are being sold as prodrive replicas and as darexms says they are not flowformed but gravity cast,if you have bought a £20,000+ car would you scrimp on cheap replicas considering how a subaru is normally driven!
i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
martin
"
It seems that people look at the price before the product? I understand what you mean but would you hold a higher regard for the wheels if they were just more expensive? We could have made the product in.....
Flow form,
Counter pressure,
Low pressure,
Forged etc.,
But decided the majority of consumers wouldn't be prepared to pay the money to lose that extra 0.5 kg or so from the wheel. (normally the above processes are about reducing weight rather than increasing strength for something of a common application)
We could have priced the wheels higher but our policy is to be fair and competitive.
Thank you everyone for your comments.
p1doc
"
they are being sold as prodrive replicas and as darexms says they are not flowformed but gravity cast,if you have bought a £20,000+ car would you scrimp on cheap replicas considering how a subaru is normally driven!
i am not having a go but just putting forward a viewpoint
martin
"
It seems that people look at the price before the product? I understand what you mean but would you hold a higher regard for the wheels if they were just more expensive? We could have made the product in.....
Flow form,
Counter pressure,
Low pressure,
Forged etc.,
But decided the majority of consumers wouldn't be prepared to pay the money to lose that extra 0.5 kg or so from the wheel. (normally the above processes are about reducing weight rather than increasing strength for something of a common application)
We could have priced the wheels higher but our policy is to be fair and competitive.
Thank you everyone for your comments.
dazza
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Ordered a set today with Toyos from http://www.revolution.eu.com
Shopped around and they beat Scoobymania and Merseyspeed on price. Shall put them on this weekend and post pics in the members gallery.
Mike
Shopped around and they beat Scoobymania and Merseyspeed on price. Shall put them on this weekend and post pics in the members gallery.
Mike
