hooksin

Had Tarox 10 pots fitted about 4 weeks ago, and they are excellent. Anyone else had this conversion rather than the AP or Brembo one?? The only problem is that the front end "snakes" a bit under hard braking, I am assuming that something else now needs upgrading - shocks/springs etc?? or is this normal under hard braking?
btw - I have not done any track days and have never really pushed it on the road before.

cheers

Nick

hooksin

aaahhhh....now I understand....certain members on the board are hand-in-hand with AP so hence no replies to my thread, and I suppose with a group buy option going-on at the momment (for AP) then no other brand is acceptable.
What a load of **** this is, their have been a lot of comments about this board being very "narrow minded" and "clicky"....very true indeed I think.
I can't believe that out of 6000 members that no one is interested in this brake up-grade option.
Truly up your own ***** (anyone who is not a narrow-minded, clicky, up-their-own-**** need not be offended)

carl

Give them a chance! Not everyone logs on every day.

I am unable to comment on your matter as I have not tried any of the 'big brake' setups.

chiark

I've read, but have no experience, that changing geometry can stop squirming under braking.

The PS bump steer removal mod sorts this, as does the Prodrive setting to a lesser extent.

Where did you have the conversion done, and what sort of cost was it?

I don't think that there's an AP clique going on here. It's what people know, which is why it keeps getting recommended. If the tarox is good, then perhaps you should let us know what you think?

hooksin

cheers guys....but too late, I was getting a bit fed up with this anyway.
I have posted before with no replies, yet people posted the same stuff and hey presto...
dont bother posting anything else to this as I will no longer visit this bbs.
it's my dummy & I'm spitting it out.
far TOO clicky for me lads.

GOD

I dont understand?????

Why has hooksin left?

He asked a question yesterday afternoon and has left by today due to aggrovation.

I personally have aps, but in fitting brakes, a lot of claims are made regarding people building up there own kits etc. and so as a result, with people having been burned in the past, peoiple have stuck to the recommendations of trusted others.

This has snowballed in this area, as they are an expensive mod, and few people are willing to risk a mistake.

I remember, before the brembo system employed the exceelent ap discs, that one person made an effort to fit aps as he wasnt convinced by the floating brembo disc, and that was a bit riske then.

We rely on eachother to give us good advice and I suppose the affect of that is that we appear cliquey (spelling?).

It is equally possible that no one knows how to solve these effects.

A conversation with mike peck of performance drivers, taught me of the importance of having the corner weights of the car tested and sorted as these will greatly affect stability especially under braking. If you have adjustable shocks, perhaps this is something to have checked?

I would have posted had I had more information, but when this is lacking i dont know what people are expected to write.

I suppose you could just whitter on like I do..................

The Zohan

Blimey!

It may well be that no-one else has much experience of Tarox 10 pot brakes or did not log on within the 25 hours between your first and second post. Not everybody does!

As for your previous posts - cannot commnet as i did not see 'em.

From my POV - It is unfortunate that you find Scoobyneters to be truly up our own *****, narrow-minded, clicky - a tad broad brush but there you go. Still, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and can vote with their feet.

as you point out Scoobynet has a lot of members so it must be doing something right.

Paul

Martin J Stirling

Hi Paul,

I'm interested in a brake upgrade for the P1 and I agree that it it rather strange that no-one ever recommends anything other tahn the AP setup. Can you tell me what the Tarox 10 pots are like and how much you paid? I have seen then advertised in magazines and always wondered what 10 pots would be like.

If 6 pots are good then 10 pots must be fantastic!

Please let me know your comments/opinions of the setup mate.

Cheers,

MS

bob

How many pots now? Soon the entire disc will be encircled in pots. Anyone have any pic's of this set-up, Price or availability?

Gary Foster

LMAO @ Hooksin

Either you are making a jibe at some other 'dummy spitting' regulars or ..... well, I pity you otherwise

Anyway, what is the thinking behind having 10 Pots instead of 4 / 6 ? is this so that the pad can be made larger ? if so the blinking thing must take up half the disk !!

Any chance of a picture being posted ? or maybe some details - why 10 is better, price, pad type availability, pricing etc etc.

Gary

Stef

Martin.
There are three main brake kits...
AP
Brembo/AP
Alcon
There are also a number of kits that may use various components from these manufacturers, and combine them with cheaper items.
I have seen this Tarox kit on a Supra, and had a lengthy chat with the chap who was fitting them.
There is no doubt that the kit 'looks' rather nice. Not surprising though, as this is the basis on which the kit is marketed. There is some prestige to releasing the first 10-pot kit for road cars, and Tarox are taking advantage of that fact.
In terms of performance you only have to ask yourself how many vehicles in high-end motorsport use Tarox brakes? Exactly....
Now having not driven a car equipped with such brakes I can't comment on how good they are, but they are definitely aimed at road drivers who want good looking brakes rather than the track drivers looking for the ultimate on-track performance.
I guess we'll see how they perform when someone comes to a track.

Stef.

Martin J Stirling

Stef,

cheers for the reply. I am in no doubt that AP brakes are wicked, whjat I am just surprised about is that I have never seen Tarox brakes ever mentioned before anywhere. Is this purely a reflection on the brakes themselves or is it just because AP/Brembo are so good that people have never bothered to try anything else?

You must admit, a 10 pot caliper does sound a bit saucy

Come on Nick, what are the bloody things like..

MS

IWatkins

My own point of view is that they are purely a gimmick. OK, they work as brakes, no arguements there.

As Stef said, purely marketing hype.

If anyone gets the chance, actually have a look at the size of the individual pistons and also the size of the pad to go in them. Remember, the actual size of the piston faces is important here too, not just the number of them.

Then compare against the AP 4 and 6 pot.

Then come back and tell me that the Tarox 10 pot caliper is better.

Otherwise, nothing wrong with Tarox, they make good discs and caliper kits, but IMHO they are not up there with AP, but there again are way above the makes such as RedDot, BlackDiamond etc. when it comes to discs.

(All views my own, I hope I upset no one )

Cheers

Ian

kryten

The other thing is availability.

If you want something for a Subaru then you are likely to go to:

a) a dealer and get the Prodrive/Alcons
b) a subaru specialist - most of whom seem to sell AP/Brembo brake kits

I certainly wouldn't take my car to the local independant garage and ask them for advice on which £1800 brake kit I should fit .....

What range of pads are available for the Tarox kit??

I wasn't interested in being revolutionary or getting something different - just something that works and stops bloody quick!!

Markus

Always wondered about the 10pots. Seen adverts in EVO mag and thought 'mmm, 10-pot'

Pity I've not cash even for 4-pots, let alone 10's

If tarox want an older scooby as a testbed for 10-pots then they can contact me and I'll be more than happy to try a set out for them! though it'd probably need bigger wheels.

guess these 10pots need 17's or bigger?

Chris L

Had a chat with the chaps at Hi Spec Engineering about the Tarox 10 pots (

Jolly Green Monster

iTrader: (4)

Personally I run the standard 2pots and are very happy with them... hence I didn't post a reply, but since you are being stupid and are forcing me to reply... here I am... no hold on if I don't reply you might leave...
which with your attitude sounds like a good idea...

I didn't even know there was such a thing as 10pot calipers... let alone have a set to be able to help.

I would suggest the extra braking on the front with the ten pots is making the back and little light hence the snaking...
so you could perhaps look at upgrading the rear brakes... but I am working this out from my experiances of brakes on cars and bikes which is fairly limited...

I have never experianced a clicky group on here... yeah some people know each other and talk amoungst themselves, but there is no "your not in my gang" crap... I know only two people really on here, both of which I met through Scoobynet...

I think you are talking out of you **** mate....

ho ho JGM

PS: Do you want you reply in the new thread or the original?

Pete Croney

Interesting stuff this... and not the first time we have been chastised for not replying to something that may not personally interest us.

Hooksin (and at least one other I can think of) these boards are all about what people *choose* to contribute. They are not about what you or others demand to be told.

By subscribing, you do not gain the right to get meaningful replies to any query that may enter your head, within your own allocated time limit.

That off my chest... 5 tiny caliper pistons each side, all the same diameter, giving no proportional pressure increase along the pad length and only pressing against a small area along the pad's centre line??? I'm sure you will be very pleased with them

Trout...

I suppose you think that is post-modern irony Pete

Trout

robman

Or not-post-soon-enough-irony?

<groan>

SUNDAY DRIVER

Hooksin,
If you have not pushed it on the road or done any trackdays then what the **** do you need with 10pot brakes ?

Si James

I am very happy with my AP's, which are very widely supported as a product.

Just check out the amount of pad there is even on a 4-pot AP vs. the MY00 standard
(formerly STi) std set-up.

A brake upgrade is, IMHO, a must for any serious fast road driver, or track day
dabbler, let alone enthusiast.

Simon

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I agree with Stef here, you dont normally see Tarox on anything but road cars, its either Brembo or AP, and IMHO i would rather go for a tried and tested kit like AP which over the years just seem to get better and better
Ok you may think of me as being "stuck up my own ****" but until we can get a test together of standard 2pots v standard 4 pots v ap 4pots v ap 6pots v Brembo 4pots and Tarox 10pots to see what advantages they have, ie fade etc then we will be stuck in our ways because no one has proven the new kit to be better than the old! (hmm is this a hint for a group test of brakes?? )
So Hooksin, before you throw your teddy in the corner prove these brakes for their worth!! ill bring my MY00 with standard 4pots along, anyone else?? oh and also remember tyres count in stopping distances too!!

Tony

psyg

Since three-four months I have the Tarox 10-pot with 328 mm G88-disks, on my my99 scooby.

I'm not a technical man, so no discussion or opinion about 4-pot is better than 6 or 10. Just my experience:

First I wanted the AP's, but for a much better price I could try this new Tarox set.
The set also included an upgrade of the rear-brakes: 318 mm disks (with the same groove-patron) and an adapter, so you can still use the standard 2-pots rear-calipers (with standard rear pads; there are good enough!); the adapter moves the caliper more to the outside.

In the Tarox 10-pot you just can use their own pads (I prefered DS2000, but on this moment not on the market for this Tarox caliper);
they have 3 pads: 'normal', 'fast-road', and 'circuit'. We tried them all.

The normal pads were too 'soft': with hard braking the rear brakes 'blocked' (no ABS) before the front (and the car came over..);
than the circuit pads (carbon-metallic), much, much better with a very good balance between front and rear. But also very agressive for the disks, and screaming... yes, very good for circuit, but all-day purpose...?
Than the fast-road pads: ideal combination, almost as agressive as the circuit-pads, but much more friendly for the disks, and no screaming anymore.

Also a very nice balance between front and rear while (very hard) braking. Although this goes together with the cars upgraded suspension (very stiff), ALK, Whiteline stabi's, bumpsteer-removal and Prodrive P1- 17"wheels.

We compared the car with another scooby, with exactly the same suspension-mods (Theo Evil-Bevel), with a Prodrive-Alcon set, and with another one which had the AP-4pot-set.
We really think this Tarox-set is on the same level as the other two. Just very little differences (meaby AP is still the most agressive, but had then the DS3000 pads), but the front-rear balance of this 'Tarox-scoob' is very nice.

I drive often on german Autobahn, and also with very high speeds (240-250 km/h) I have now perfect braking-control, also after different times heavy braking: no fading.
Also on Nurburgring I'm have anough braking power (but I'm not a crack, like some of you; saw this night stefs CK1 video, wow!!).

Of course, there is also the possibility of AP-4 or -6 front, and this Tarox-mod rear, best of both worlds? But then the money...
On this moment I'm happy with Tarox-all

Meaby, coming months, I'm often at Nurburgring, when I meet Stef (he is also your braking expert... ), he can try the car, if he wants, and give his opinion about the Tarox 10-pots ànd rear modification.

grt Geert

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Mellow Yellow !

iTrader: (1)

Brakes...........I didn't realise I had them........I've been using me gearbox !

Stef

Geert.
A great reply mate, nice one.
Glad you like the Tarox's. The rear upgrade also sounds a very good idea.
Offering me the chance to try your car and brakes out at The Nurburgring may not be the wisest thing you've ever said though!!!
Still, if you're there at the end of June and are still suffering from delusion, I'd be delighted to put the Tarox's to the test and give my opinion on them.

Stef.
PS Glad you like the video.

psyg

Hi Stef

You realy think 'trying out brakes' is the same as driving a scoob as a crazy nut ( ) as fast as possible around Nurburgring???

Oh, mmmm, meaby I like the idea

I 'll be there sa 30th or su 1, or both;
I think we will manage it!

See you, Geert

ChristianR

iTrader: (1)

to be honest i use my gears more for slowing down then my brakes.

Adam M

hhmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Brake pads a nd discs, consumables, easily removed and replaced.

Gear sets???? hhhmmmmmmmmm


Rather you than me.

Can you outbrake someone into a bend on the gears?

kryten

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Adam M:
<B>Can you outbrake someone into a bend on the gears?[/quote]

Only if you use reverse!!!