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Old 22 January 2012, 11:57 AM   #1  
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hello i just been told that anyone going kenfig will be getting a section 59 as they trying to stop people attending the event as there so many crashed ( the person who told me is a inspector for south wales police)
and all cause muppets driving like they are lewis hamilton
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It's times like this that make me wish I knew what a section 59 was,...
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Vehicles used in a manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance:
(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which —
(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and
(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public, he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are —
(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any
premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power
conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers
conferred on him by this section unless —
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if—
(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;
(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;
(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or
(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section —
• “driving” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);
• “motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and
• “private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.
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Old 22 January 2012, 03:19 PM   #4  
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Aka inpound your car for 2 weeks min which you have to pay 4
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Good cos it was the ***** racing that made it the problem, if it was a proper park up and walk around and look at cars there would be no problem.

There have been a few near fatal crashes there, so its about time, sad that its always a minority that ruin it trying to show off in a $hitbox.

They should do what was done in the USA, make it super illegal on the public roads, but have an organised 1/4 mile place like a mini santa pod for people to go.
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And most Impreza`s could get a section 59 for "annoyance to members of the public" due to the exhaust characteristics. But its one of those under the carpet laws Labour brought in, that turns police into ****`s, and is basically an ASBO for your car.
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I had a brand new type r 2 weeks old and a ***** lost control and right my car off was the black type r
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Surely its better for them to race and crash into each other down there than drive like numptys around bridgend on a sunday. The police have been on about shutting it down for years
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It's times like this I'm pleased I'm middle aged
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Vehicles used in a manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance:
(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which —
(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and
(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public, he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are —
(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any
premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power
conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers
conferred on him by this section unless —
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if—
(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;
(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;
(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or
(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section —
• “driving” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);
• “motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and
• “private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.
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Directly from reading that!!
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Unfortunately if you get bellends driving like their cars like their in a chavvy version of The Fast And The Furious then you'll attract the rozzers in force.

The main problem is that these idiots make all performance car drivers look like tools and then we (the sensible ones) get classed as being the same as the idiots.
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Old 22 January 2012, 06:00 PM   #13  
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Unfortunately if you get bellends driving like their cars like their in a chavvy version of The Fast And The Furious then you'll attract the rozzers in force.

The main problem is that these idiots make all performance car drivers look like tools and then we (the sensible ones) get classed as being the same as the idiots.
Fallen off my chair in agreement!!

Problem is there is only mega expensive tracks around Pembrey is hardly open and charges a fortune, and Llandow again costs a lot upfront, which the average person can`t afford.

So why not have somewhere that is not expensive, off the public roads, and safe, so that spectators are kept away from a Saxo trying to get a 8 sec 1/4 mile.

There is obviously a need for it, as there are loads who attend these things, so why not have somewhere they can go to do these things??

They make sites for Travellers who pay nothing and ruin the landscape, these people pay Road Tax, Vat, Insurance, etc etc and only want somewhere to have a park up and look around, or in some cases race.
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What's needed is some form of mini Santa Pod, open on set days especially evenings with twin 1/4 strips so that it's short races and much easier to control.

Obviously all cars going in whether racing or not pay an admission fee which can help fund and maintain the raceway plus the obligatory emergency services required on site, I'd personally pay to run the 1/4 mile as its a real buzz, adrenalin rush and a good laugh.

Perhaps this could be included in the proposed motorsport track which is in the planning stage for the Tredegar / Ebbw Vale / Heads of the Valleys area?

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What's needed is some form of mini Santa Pod, open on set days especially evenings with twin 1/4 strips so that it's short races and much easier to control.

Obviously all cars going in whether racing or not pay an admission fee which can help fund and maintain the raceway plus the obligatory emergency services required on site, I'd personally pay to run the 1/4 mile as its a real buzz, adrenalin rush and a good laugh.

Perhaps this could be included in the proposed motorsport track which is in the planning stage for the Tredegar / Ebbw Vale / Heads of the Valleys area?
Agreed, but a 1/4 mile is easier to make its just a strip of tarmac, and cheaper than a track, have an area for parking up and showing cars burger van or hanger inside for cars, and you could have a good facility.
There are more than enough ex industrial site that would welcome the influx of people and money. Make it cheap enough and you`ll make money by sheer numbers.

Lot better than spending money getting pissed up on a weekend!!

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Vehicles used in a manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance:
(1) Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which —
(a) contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and
(b) is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public, he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are —
(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any
premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power
conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers
conferred on him by this section unless —
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the warning.

(5) Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if—
(a) the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;
(b) the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;
(c) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or
(d) the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6) A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7) Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8) The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9) In this section —
• “driving” has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);
• “motor vehicle” means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and
• “private dwelling house” does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.
Section 59 = T**t stopper!

I thought cruising was what you did in search of ladies of the night.

Don't bother with ***** or events which may attract them. Not all youths are complete knobends, but the stats are pretty damning.

But you get enough together in one place and the Police know a t**t will appear.
It's bravado, young, dumb and full of come .

Agree with Ty and Jimbob, but it won't stop knobends being ***** on the normal roads, but everyone that dies is a tragic loss.

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I like the USA way where until your passed night time driving you got to be in by 7pm and you can't pass the second part until you done 2 years driving in day light as this will stop **** attanding and being immature jackass
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I like the USA way where until your passed night time driving you got to be in by 7pm and you can't pass the second part until you done 2 years driving in day light as this will stop **** attanding and being immature jackass
That's all well and good but who will police it??

Because what I have noticed of late is that the police don't seem to want to police the roads anymore.
The amour of bad driving I witness going back and forth to work is frightening.

***** with there fogs on, who can't indicate on a roundabout/junction and my favourite on there phone whilst driving.

The list goes on and on, when are the police going to return law and order on the roads. They are fast becoming a dangerous place.

The thing with Kenfig is it's easy pickings for the police.

Rant over.

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Lol I have my front fogs on when my head lights are on and I agree with what you say about bad drivers as I worked in Dvla on driving licenses and I see more and more death by dangerous driving or accordance of a licence including using a mobile phone but it's not just on the roads as I work on the doors in Swansea and a guy pull a gun out and it took them 22 mins to arrive
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Lol I have my front fogs on when my head lights are on and I agree with what you say about bad drivers as I worked in Dvla on driving licenses and I see more and more death by dangerous driving or accordance of a licence including using a mobile phone but it's not just on the roads as I work on the doors in Swansea and a guy pull a gun out and it took them 22 mins to arrive
There you go, driving with your fogs on is against the Road Traffic regs unless the weather or road conditions deem them necessary!

As an unarmed copper, I would be in no rush to an armed incident either.
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There you go, driving with your fogs on is against the Road Traffic regs unless the weather or road conditions deem them necessary!

As an unarmed copper, I would be in no rush to an armed incident either.
Swansea central is literally spitting distance from Swansea Central Police Station, so Armed Response should`ve been 30secs away including eating their last box of do-nuts!!
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I work on the doors in Swansea and a guy pull a gun out and it took them 22 mins to arrive

the joys of working the bright lights of swansea had a knife pulled out on me once the joys of taking **** heads home on the weekends
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I popped along to Kenfig over the Summer, in all fairness there were plenty of cars there, not so much JDM pornography which is my thing but the atmosphere was pretty relaxed, the racing did concern me abit.

It's not that I'm all "they should all be locked up" ect ect, people will always race, my issue with Kenfig and this is something I witnessed there is that you have cars hitting pretty high speeds up a long straight, then randomly someone just pulls out doing 5mph, I saw a couple of cars almost end up in a wreck with this happening.
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