After a set of coilovers...
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After a set of coilovers...
Hi guys!
Im after a set of coilovers for my MY95 Impreza WRX. But have a budget of around £800.
What sort of coilovers are within my budget range?! And where on earht does them?!! Have looked at products from Koni, Eibach, etc and they dont do coilover kits for Imprezas it seems?!?!?
If i cant find anything suitable was going to go for the package Scooby clinic offer - KYB adjustable shocks, Eibach springs and a geometry set-up.
All thoughts and opinions would be very much appreciated!!
Im after a set of coilovers for my MY95 Impreza WRX. But have a budget of around £800.
What sort of coilovers are within my budget range?! And where on earht does them?!! Have looked at products from Koni, Eibach, etc and they dont do coilover kits for Imprezas it seems?!?!?
If i cant find anything suitable was going to go for the package Scooby clinic offer - KYB adjustable shocks, Eibach springs and a geometry set-up.
All thoughts and opinions would be very much appreciated!!
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No but I very nearly bought some - ended up spending the money on a snowboarding holiday.
I've read as much as I could find about them on here in and in magazines such as EVO, I've had a good nosey round Powerstation on a couple of occasions too.
It's very likely I will get a set for mine but I will wait until my std shocks have had it.
I've read as much as I could find about them on here in and in magazines such as EVO, I've had a good nosey round Powerstation on a couple of occasions too.
It's very likely I will get a set for mine but I will wait until my std shocks have had it.
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I have just had AST's on my Sti v3 road/hill climb car.
The control and the compliance is really good, no nasty pitching or jarring and no strange noises either, especially from the rears.
Build quality is stunning, especially for the $$$
Important to fit the right parts first time. It will be cheaper in the longer term (wish I had learnt this fact earlier on)
Go the extra distance, but also think about the suspension as a whole package.
The addition of roll-bars, Nolteck top mounts and a first class alignment will transform the car (on good stock suspension even); add the AST and you will move to another level of grip and control.
All in my opinion, but I've had my car this way for 3 years building it up, so real world experience.
Good luck, and save a bit harder!
Graham
The control and the compliance is really good, no nasty pitching or jarring and no strange noises either, especially from the rears.
Build quality is stunning, especially for the $$$
Important to fit the right parts first time. It will be cheaper in the longer term (wish I had learnt this fact earlier on)
Go the extra distance, but also think about the suspension as a whole package.
The addition of roll-bars, Nolteck top mounts and a first class alignment will transform the car (on good stock suspension even); add the AST and you will move to another level of grip and control.
All in my opinion, but I've had my car this way for 3 years building it up, so real world experience.
Good luck, and save a bit harder!
Graham
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Originally Posted by 911
I have just had AST's on my Sti v3 road/hill climb car.
The control and the compliance is really good, no nasty pitching or jarring and no strange noises either, especially from the rears.
Build quality is stunning, especially for the $$$
Important to fit the right parts first time. It will be cheaper in the longer term (wish I had learnt this fact earlier on)
Go the extra distance, but also think about the suspension as a whole package.
The addition of roll-bars, Nolteck top mounts and a first class alignment will transform the car (on good stock suspension even); add the AST and you will move to another level of grip and control.
All in my opinion, but I've had my car this way for 3 years building it up, so real world experience.
Good luck, and save a bit harder!
Graham
The control and the compliance is really good, no nasty pitching or jarring and no strange noises either, especially from the rears.
Build quality is stunning, especially for the $$$
Important to fit the right parts first time. It will be cheaper in the longer term (wish I had learnt this fact earlier on)
Go the extra distance, but also think about the suspension as a whole package.
The addition of roll-bars, Nolteck top mounts and a first class alignment will transform the car (on good stock suspension even); add the AST and you will move to another level of grip and control.
All in my opinion, but I've had my car this way for 3 years building it up, so real world experience.
Good luck, and save a bit harder!
Graham
Good to hear you are trying the ASTs.
What spring rates did you go for ?
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I have been looking at a set of coilovers for my 04WRX and i thought that tein's were going to be out of my range but the price for the basic damper kit was quite reasonable.
I tried these guys. http://www.dastek.co.uk
I tried these guys. http://www.dastek.co.uk
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DJ:
Go to my thread 'In search of the perfect suspension' all revealed there.
I am sitting on 50/40 springs ATM, but hoping to go to 60/50 to see if that inproves the track level without killing the currently nice road settings.
Damping rates on 50/40 are 7/12 clicks front and 5/12 clicks rear, both from fully soft.
Is this a new language forming here?
Graham.
Go to my thread 'In search of the perfect suspension' all revealed there.
I am sitting on 50/40 springs ATM, but hoping to go to 60/50 to see if that inproves the track level without killing the currently nice road settings.
Damping rates on 50/40 are 7/12 clicks front and 5/12 clicks rear, both from fully soft.
Is this a new language forming here?
Graham.
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Spring rates
Originally Posted by 911
DJ:
Go to my thread 'In search of the perfect suspension' all revealed there.
I am sitting on 50/40 springs ATM, but hoping to go to 60/50 to see if that inproves the track level without killing the currently nice road settings.
Go to my thread 'In search of the perfect suspension' all revealed there.
I am sitting on 50/40 springs ATM, but hoping to go to 60/50 to see if that inproves the track level without killing the currently nice road settings.
Notwithstanding the effects of compression damping, this sounds rock hard to me. How much road use does the car see, in addition to its hillclimbing?
Correct me if I'm wrong but 'standard' ASTs are 40/30, which is 10% greater than Leda's standard recommendation, and around 75% greater than the various standard setups.
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot, and this may be the key to the puzzle. 'Speed' in this context is how the damper reacts to fast compression ie. sharp bumps, the jarring ones. Jap dampers tend to have v.hard high-speed compression damping, says John.
Question: what would the general effect of increasing the difference between front and rear spring rates, I wonder? The various kits on the market vary between a-little-harder-on-the-front and much-harder-on-the-front. In the example above, going from 40/30 to 50/40 to 60/50 would decrease the difference between front and rear.
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Hi Graham,
Notwithstanding the effects of compression damping, this sounds rock hard to me. How much road use does the car see, in addition to its hillclimbing?
Correct me if I'm wrong but 'standard' ASTs are 40/30, which is 10% greater than Leda's standard recommendation, and around 75% greater than the various standard setups.
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot, and this may be the key to the puzzle. 'Speed' in this context is how the damper reacts to fast compression ie. sharp bumps, the jarring ones. Jap dampers tend to have v.hard high-speed compression damping, says John.
Question: what would the general effect of increasing the difference between front and rear spring rates, I wonder? The various kits on the market vary between a-little-harder-on-the-front and much-harder-on-the-front. In the example above, going from 40/30 to 50/40 to 60/50 would decrease the difference between front and rear.
Andy
Notwithstanding the effects of compression damping, this sounds rock hard to me. How much road use does the car see, in addition to its hillclimbing?
Correct me if I'm wrong but 'standard' ASTs are 40/30, which is 10% greater than Leda's standard recommendation, and around 75% greater than the various standard setups.
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot, and this may be the key to the puzzle. 'Speed' in this context is how the damper reacts to fast compression ie. sharp bumps, the jarring ones. Jap dampers tend to have v.hard high-speed compression damping, says John.
Question: what would the general effect of increasing the difference between front and rear spring rates, I wonder? The various kits on the market vary between a-little-harder-on-the-front and much-harder-on-the-front. In the example above, going from 40/30 to 50/40 to 60/50 would decrease the difference between front and rear.
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Originally Posted by Andy916
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
so 40/30 N/mm becomes 225/170 lb/in which is much softer than Leda's.
Originally Posted by Andy916
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot,
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Originally Posted by ImprezaRob
Hi guys!
Im after a set of coilovers for my MY95 Impreza WRX. But have a budget of around £800.
What sort of coilovers are within my budget range?! And where on earht does them?!! Have looked at products from Koni, Eibach, etc and they dont do coilover kits for Imprezas it seems?!?!?
If i cant find anything suitable was going to go for the package Scooby clinic offer - KYB adjustable shocks, Eibach springs and a geometry set-up.
All thoughts and opinions would be very much appreciated!!
Im after a set of coilovers for my MY95 Impreza WRX. But have a budget of around £800.
What sort of coilovers are within my budget range?! And where on earht does them?!! Have looked at products from Koni, Eibach, etc and they dont do coilover kits for Imprezas it seems?!?!?
If i cant find anything suitable was going to go for the package Scooby clinic offer - KYB adjustable shocks, Eibach springs and a geometry set-up.
All thoughts and opinions would be very much appreciated!!
D2 seems to have a good value kit:
The GC8 and GDB kits on special at the moment.
GC8 - £559 From Impulse sports
They may be the same as Megan, K-Sport and Hayame. Come with adjustable top mounts too.
F
The GC8 and GDB kits on special at the moment.
GC8 - £559 From Impulse sports
They may be the same as Megan, K-Sport and Hayame. Come with adjustable top mounts too.
F
Originally Posted by DuncanG
Multiply by 5.7 surely for N/mm to lb/in ?
so 40/30 N/mm becomes 225/170 lb/in which is much softer than Leda's.
so 40/30 N/mm becomes 225/170 lb/in which is much softer than Leda's.
So...
'Standard' AST 225/170
'911' hillclimber 285/225 (close to what Leda recommend for bumpy road)
'911' may try 340/285 (harder than Leda, esp. at the rear)
and, D2 coilovers are...
7/4 kg/mm which is 392/224 lb/in (v.hard on the front. Understeer?)
Originally Posted by DuncanG
Varies a lot with what? Sorry its not clear what you mean
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Originally Posted by Andy916
Hi Graham,
Notwithstanding the effects of compression damping, this sounds rock hard to me. How much road use does the car see, in addition to its hillclimbing?
Correct me if I'm wrong but 'standard' ASTs are 40/30, which is 10% greater than Leda's standard recommendation, and around 75% greater than the various standard setups.
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot, and this may be the key to the puzzle. 'Speed' in this context is how the damper reacts to fast compression ie. sharp bumps, the jarring ones. Jap dampers tend to have v.hard high-speed compression damping, says John.
Question: what would the general effect of increasing the difference between front and rear spring rates, I wonder? The various kits on the market vary between a-little-harder-on-the-front and much-harder-on-the-front. In the example above, going from 40/30 to 50/40 to 60/50 would decrease the difference between front and rear.
Andy
Notwithstanding the effects of compression damping, this sounds rock hard to me. How much road use does the car see, in addition to its hillclimbing?
Correct me if I'm wrong but 'standard' ASTs are 40/30, which is 10% greater than Leda's standard recommendation, and around 75% greater than the various standard setups.
Multiply by 8.85 to get lb/in, by the way.
Talking to John at Leda, it seems that the medium/high speed compression damping varies a lot, and this may be the key to the puzzle. 'Speed' in this context is how the damper reacts to fast compression ie. sharp bumps, the jarring ones. Jap dampers tend to have v.hard high-speed compression damping, says John.
Question: what would the general effect of increasing the difference between front and rear spring rates, I wonder? The various kits on the market vary between a-little-harder-on-the-front and much-harder-on-the-front. In the example above, going from 40/30 to 50/40 to 60/50 would decrease the difference between front and rear.
Andy
Oops, forgot to come back to this thread :I
Graham, I'll be interested to hear how you get on with 60/50.
I am currently sat on 60/40 (UK estate) with a bit more damping.
Andy, it may sound stiff but I assure you after having the 'standard' 40/30 set-up it was woefully undersprung even for road use.
It was way softer than my old Eibach/standard shock set-up and had silly amounts of roll oversteer even with a 24mm rear ARB.
Last edited by DocJock; Sep 12, 2005 at 10:05 PM.
That's almost Leda spring rates Docjock. You are talking AST aren't you? Have you had them revavled when you say 'a bit more damping'?
I'll be back at the Ring in Oct, but so far I've not felt them to be as rolly as you suggest (but then again I am used to std set up on there).
F
I'll be back at the Ring in Oct, but so far I've not felt them to be as rolly as you suggest (but then again I am used to std set up on there).
F
Originally Posted by Floyd
D2 come with virtually any spring rate you choose!
F
F
Yup, I'm talking with Kenny at moment about possibility of trying 5/4 front/rear kg/mm instead of the standard 7/4 rates. That's 280/224 instead of 392/224 in real money. AIUI though, he doesn't yet have the kit to revalve the dampers.
Am after an a/b road compromise plus the odd trackday - Bruntingthorpe planned for Nov/Dec and want to do the 'ring next year. My background is bike racing (250 & 600s), newish to car trackdays.
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Originally Posted by Floyd
That's almost Leda spring rates Docjock. You are talking AST aren't you? Have you had them revavled when you say 'a bit more damping'?
I'll be back at the Ring in Oct, but so far I've not felt them to be as rolly as you suggest (but then again I am used to std set up on there).
F
I'll be back at the Ring in Oct, but so far I've not felt them to be as rolly as you suggest (but then again I am used to std set up on there).
F
They feel pretty good round the Ring now
Dampers are currently set at '11' of course
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