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I'm intrigued too actually. My Perrin FMIC was £1800 new and rated to 1000 bhp apparently, what are the advantages of the Chevron TMIC? Absolutely not slagging the post/item, just want to know more about it...
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Claimed reduce lag, but reality is FMIC doesn't create enough lag to be noticeable if setup correctly.
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No matter who set it up.
Easy to work out if your not a potato.
Infact i bet it has been done before.
got to be at least 0.1 sec
everytime on and off the loud pedal it soon adds up.
just that the benefits of extra power claw tht time back
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been proven that it takes a measurable amount of time to fill the extra volume of pipe work....
No matter who set it up.
Easy to work out if your not a potato.
Infact i bet it has been done before.
got to be at least 0.1 sec
everytime on and off the loud pedal it soon adds up.
just that the benefits of extra power claw tht time back
No matter who set it up.
Easy to work out if your not a potato.
Infact i bet it has been done before.
got to be at least 0.1 sec
everytime on and off the loud pedal it soon adds up.
just that the benefits of extra power claw tht time back
I'd guess your referring to Andy F's very basic but flawed calculation. I don't know people who change gear at 3k rpm lol
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who's proven it exactly? true back to backs (not picking up a calculator based on your limited knowledge), same car, same fuel, same mapper, same day, same dyno etc have proven its a false myth. I doubt you'll remember Harvey smith who did alot of testing or jap performance mag had a test done.
I'd guess your referring to Andy F's very basic but flawed calculation. I don't know people who change gear at 3k rpm lol
I'd guess your referring to Andy F's very basic but flawed calculation. I don't know people who change gear at 3k rpm lol
How much your turbo can puts out vs the volume of pipes it has to fill.
Your engine cant consume what isnt there.
throttle responce suffers even more which is even more of a concern to me than the small amount of lag (dont confuse the two) you wont see this on a dyno because ur not on and off the throttle.
take it to the extreme to see why it makes a difference
a little td04 would take forever to fill a 6 inch cooler with big boy pipes. (Cleary a ridiculous combo but point is made)
No amount of magical mapping can solve that.
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Its really simple math.
How much your turbo can puts out vs the volume of pipes it has to fill.
Your engine cant consume what isnt there.
throttle responce suffers even more which is even more of a concern to me than the small amount of lag (dont confuse the two) you wont see this on a dyno because ur not on and off the throttle.
take it to the extreme to see why it makes a difference
a little td04 would take forever to fill a 6 inch cooler with big boy pipes. (Cleary a ridiculous combo but point is made)
No amount of magical mapping can solve that.
How much your turbo can puts out vs the volume of pipes it has to fill.
Your engine cant consume what isnt there.
throttle responce suffers even more which is even more of a concern to me than the small amount of lag (dont confuse the two) you wont see this on a dyno because ur not on and off the throttle.
take it to the extreme to see why it makes a difference
a little td04 would take forever to fill a 6 inch cooler with big boy pipes. (Cleary a ridiculous combo but point is made)
No amount of magical mapping can solve that.
using cooler sold by SC
in a mag SC paid to advertise in.....
It depends what u value most dyno numbers or driveabilty
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Its really simple math.
How much your turbo can puts out vs the volume of pipes it has to fill.
Your engine cant consume what isnt there.
throttle responce suffers even more which is even more of a concern to me than the small amount of lag (dont confuse the two) you wont see this on a dyno because ur not on and off the throttle.
take it to the extreme to see why it makes a difference
a little td04 would take forever to fill a 6 inch cooler with big boy pipes. (Cleary a ridiculous combo but point is made)
No amount of magical mapping can solve that.
How much your turbo can puts out vs the volume of pipes it has to fill.
Your engine cant consume what isnt there.
throttle responce suffers even more which is even more of a concern to me than the small amount of lag (dont confuse the two) you wont see this on a dyno because ur not on and off the throttle.
take it to the extreme to see why it makes a difference
a little td04 would take forever to fill a 6 inch cooler with big boy pipes. (Cleary a ridiculous combo but point is made)
No amount of magical mapping can solve that.
I'll give you the TD04 will be noticeable however if your running a TD04 then a FMIC is a tad ott. Moving on to the rest of your crap, yes it's crap because you are using a flawed calculation you read on the internet lol
Pipe's are not at zero pressure when you come off boost, fast changes won't even result in them dropping to atmospheric, back to back test, not some made up calculation, have proven it doesn't happen. If you really want to carry on you claim you know better than some of the best brains in the subaru tuning community then you carry on, your only showing your lack of knowledge and stupidity for using google for your arguments.
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Before you start to slander companies you had better understand exactly what was done, it was a test done for jap performance mag, using clincis dyno, mapped by Pat Herborn, are you cliaming Pat made up the results?
be very very carefull how you reply.
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I'll give you the TD04 will be noticeable however if your running a TD04 then a FMIC is a tad ott. Moving on to the rest of your crap, yes it's crap because you are using a flawed calculation you read on the internet lol
Pipe's are not at zero pressure when you come off boost, fast changes won't even result in them dropping to atmospheric, back to back test, not some made up calculation, have proven it doesn't happen. If you really want to carry on you claim you know better than some of the best brains in the subaru tuning community then you carry on, your only showing your lack of knowledge and stupidity for using google for your arguments.
Pipe's are not at zero pressure when you come off boost, fast changes won't even result in them dropping to atmospheric, back to back test, not some made up calculation, have proven it doesn't happen. If you really want to carry on you claim you know better than some of the best brains in the subaru tuning community then you carry on, your only showing your lack of knowledge and stupidity for using google for your arguments.
not using google pal using basic physics ask your hero im sure he will agree.
Anyone with a basic grasp of how things work will understand.
Whether u notice it or not is down to the individual.
What is flawed about it ?
turbo has to fill the extra volume of pipes before engine can use it.
the more volume the more noticable the difference.
if it applies to the td04 on a 6inch cooler it applies to an sc42 on an HDi ..... just not as huge.
even if the pipes dont reach zero pressure they pipes still need brough back up to pressure.
and not everyone drives flatout shifting like vin diesel....
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O so now your accusing Jap performance of making up results?
Before you start to slander companies you had better understand exactly what was done, it was a test done for jap performance mag, using clincis dyno, mapped by Pat Herborn, are you cliaming Pat made up the results?
be very very carefull how you reply.
Before you start to slander companies you had better understand exactly what was done, it was a test done for jap performance mag, using clincis dyno, mapped by Pat Herborn, are you cliaming Pat made up the results?
be very very carefull how you reply.
A cooler they sell
In a mag they pay to advertise in
Just sayin.....
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I'll give you the TD04 will be noticeable however if your running a TD04 then a FMIC is a tad ott. Moving on to the rest of your crap, yes it's crap because you are using a flawed calculation you read on the internet lol
Pipe's are not at zero pressure when you come off boost, fast changes won't even result in them dropping to atmospheric, back to back test, not some made up calculation, have proven it doesn't happen. If you really want to carry on you claim you know better than some of the best brains in the subaru tuning community then you carry on, your only showing your lack of knowledge and stupidity for using google for your arguments.
Pipe's are not at zero pressure when you come off boost, fast changes won't even result in them dropping to atmospheric, back to back test, not some made up calculation, have proven it doesn't happen. If you really want to carry on you claim you know better than some of the best brains in the subaru tuning community then you carry on, your only showing your lack of knowledge and stupidity for using google for your arguments.
Would this be that back to back test ??
"You immediately notice how it changes the character of the EJ20 motor, for starters the extra pipework length requires more filling by the turbo before the boost hits the engine so there is slightly more lag"......
So they even say it themselves ?
Also not one for splitting hairs but the FMIC has CAI (obv can't use stock airbox but still a factor)
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http://www.scoobyclinic.com/download...coolertest.pdf
Would this be that back to back test ??
"You immediately notice how it changes the character of the EJ20 motor, for starters the extra pipework length requires more filling by the turbo before the boost hits the engine so there is slightly more lag"......
So they even say it themselves ?
Also not one for splitting hairs but the FMIC has CAI (obv can't use stock airbox but still a factor)
Would this be that back to back test ??
"You immediately notice how it changes the character of the EJ20 motor, for starters the extra pipework length requires more filling by the turbo before the boost hits the engine so there is slightly more lag"......
So they even say it themselves ?
Also not one for splitting hairs but the FMIC has CAI (obv can't use stock airbox but still a factor)
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All i did was find the article you were banging on about and find a quote that completely contradicts what you say......
"You immediately notice how it changes the character of the EJ20 motor, for starters the extra pipework length requires more filling by the turbo before the boost hits the engine so there is slightly more lag"
I guess they didn't invite the mag back for the on road test....