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23 April 2006, 02:31 PM
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With talk of dispensation from the Premier League, fast tracking for his Pro badge and the odds dropping from 17-1 Saturday morning to 2-1 by 17:00, do we really want Roeder as our next Manager?
He's brought 28 points from 13 games, which had we maintained that kind of form over the whole Season, would see us 3rd on 78 points, breathing down ManYu's neck for the auto ECL slot, and comfortably ahead of Liverpool in 3rd - albeit both have a game in hand. He's put the team back where it was before everything went wrong - in a Euro position. And remember, despite the jibes from certain quarters in here about us being under achievers etc, it's only 2 Seasons ago we were 5th, 3rd the Season before and 4th before that. A top 4 finish, doesn't give our team nosebleeds. Indeed, despite being in the EPL a season less than most of our rivals, we're still the 5th best EPL team of all time.
Roeder seems to understand the hopes and desires of your average NUFC fan. He knows the way we like to see Football played and has gone about his job quietly and calmly - no fuss or public rants (Robson), no digs at fans (Robson) or players (Robson and Souness) and no falling out so publicly with the players we need to play for us (Robson and Souness!). He plays a Left Back at... Left Back; Strikers play up front and Midfielders in Midfield - are you watching Robson (in particlular) and Souness? Does it work? Yes! Why didn't his predecessors do the same thing? Who knows...
He knows when the Defence is poor and puts time to one side, to talk to them in groups and as individuals. We know he's going to buy in the long term, but for now, he's worked hard and rebuilt the confidence of some and helped the technique of all. We now score twice as many goals as we let in. Not perfect, but a start. He's given the team some self respect back.
We're told he's spending a lot of time looking for a replacement for Shearer - something that should've been done by Robson, not to mention Souness! Instead, both shopped around for more Midfielders...
Roeder's steadied the ship and all without a budget or a transfer window to spend in. Robson wasted over £70 million, Souness £50+ million. Few of Robson's purchases are at the Club now and most have left for far less than they cost. Roeder's shown that a good Manager can make players work as a Team - something we've seen little of for a few Seasons.
Roeder In!
He's brought 28 points from 13 games, which had we maintained that kind of form over the whole Season, would see us 3rd on 78 points, breathing down ManYu's neck for the auto ECL slot, and comfortably ahead of Liverpool in 3rd - albeit both have a game in hand. He's put the team back where it was before everything went wrong - in a Euro position. And remember, despite the jibes from certain quarters in here about us being under achievers etc, it's only 2 Seasons ago we were 5th, 3rd the Season before and 4th before that. A top 4 finish, doesn't give our team nosebleeds. Indeed, despite being in the EPL a season less than most of our rivals, we're still the 5th best EPL team of all time.
Roeder seems to understand the hopes and desires of your average NUFC fan. He knows the way we like to see Football played and has gone about his job quietly and calmly - no fuss or public rants (Robson), no digs at fans (Robson) or players (Robson and Souness) and no falling out so publicly with the players we need to play for us (Robson and Souness!). He plays a Left Back at... Left Back; Strikers play up front and Midfielders in Midfield - are you watching Robson (in particlular) and Souness? Does it work? Yes! Why didn't his predecessors do the same thing? Who knows...
He knows when the Defence is poor and puts time to one side, to talk to them in groups and as individuals. We know he's going to buy in the long term, but for now, he's worked hard and rebuilt the confidence of some and helped the technique of all. We now score twice as many goals as we let in. Not perfect, but a start. He's given the team some self respect back.
We're told he's spending a lot of time looking for a replacement for Shearer - something that should've been done by Robson, not to mention Souness! Instead, both shopped around for more Midfielders...
Roeder's steadied the ship and all without a budget or a transfer window to spend in. Robson wasted over £70 million, Souness £50+ million. Few of Robson's purchases are at the Club now and most have left for far less than they cost. Roeder's shown that a good Manager can make players work as a Team - something we've seen little of for a few Seasons.
Roeder In!
23 April 2006, 08:51 PM
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I must admit I liked him when he was at West Ham, I thought he got a bit of a raw deal there TBH. It would all depend on whether he has the strength of will to work under your exceedingly reticent & publicity shy chairman on a permanent basis I suppose
It would appear to be a far more sensible move than the Souness one was though.
It would appear to be a far more sensible move than the Souness one was though.
23 April 2006, 08:54 PM
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PS, I would say that in Owen you have the perfect replacement for Shearer, if you can keep him What you need is a player for Owen to work off. A new Beardsley if you like
What you need is a player for Owen to work off. A new Beardsley if you like
24 April 2006, 07:46 AM
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PS, I would say that in Owen you have the perfect replacement for Shearer, if you can keep him What you need is a player for Owen to work off. A new Beardsley if you like
What you need is a player for Owen to work off. A new Beardsley if you likeI think we'd all like a new Beardsley, class player
24 April 2006, 09:24 AM
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The thing you have not had a chance to see though is how he opperates in the transfer market. Does he have the eye for a player? also you may still be in the honeymoon period after Souness.
24 April 2006, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Funkii Munkii
I think we'd all like a new Beardsley, class player
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Originally Posted by CrisPDuk
You're not wrong, could do with the next one being a bit more photogenic though
Wouldn't mind Roeder on what he's done with the assets he was left with.
Certainly seems to know how to manage and motivate players and also tactically aware. Never had a chance against quality clubs though
Definately need to see what happens in the transfer market if he stays.
Don't mind losing the fiver I've got on Hitzfeld
24 April 2006, 10:16 AM
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He has done a fantastic job 
And he's done it without whingeing about all the injuries the team has suffered.
If we don't get Martin Oneil then I think Roeder should be given the chance, but they have to back him with the cash & get rid off the injury prone and under achievers.
And he's done it without whingeing about all the injuries the team has suffered.
If we don't get Martin Oneil then I think Roeder should be given the chance, but they have to back him with the cash & get rid off the injury prone and under achievers.
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Should get Pedro out of retirement for the last couple of games, he always does alright in thye masters. Just bring him on with 20 minutes left to play.
If he wants it and O'neil deicides against coming to the toon, Roeder should be given a chance. As has already been said, he's steadied the ship etc etc. See what he does in the close season transfer wise, and hopefully we'll get next season off to a flying start.
If we don't qualify for Europe next season it might prove difficult to attract players, but at least any targets would choose us over the smoggies
If he wants it and O'neil deicides against coming to the toon, Roeder should be given a chance. As has already been said, he's steadied the ship etc etc. See what he does in the close season transfer wise, and hopefully we'll get next season off to a flying start.
If we don't qualify for Europe next season it might prove difficult to attract players, but at least any targets would choose us over the smoggies
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24 April 2006, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Castrol
With talk of dispensation from the Premier League, fast tracking for his Pro badge and the odds dropping from 17-1 Saturday morning to 2-1 by 17:00, do we really want Roeder as our next Manager?
He's brought 28 points from 13 games, which had we maintained that kind of form over the whole Season, would see us 3rd on 78 points, breathing down ManYu's neck for the auto ECL slot, and comfortably ahead of Liverpool in 3rd - albeit both have a game in hand. He's put the team back where it was before everything went wrong - in a Euro position. And remember, despite the jibes from certain quarters in here about us being under achievers etc, it's only 2 Seasons ago we were 5th, 3rd the Season before and 4th before that. A top 4 finish, doesn't give our team nosebleeds. Indeed, despite being in the EPL a season less than most of our rivals, we're still the 5th best EPL team of all time.
Roeder seems to understand the hopes and desires of your average NUFC fan. He knows the way we like to see Football played and has gone about his job quietly and calmly - no fuss or public rants (Robson), no digs at fans (Robson) or players (Robson and Souness) and no falling out so publicly with the players we need to play for us (Robson and Souness!). He plays a Left Back at... Left Back; Strikers play up front and Midfielders in Midfield - are you watching Robson (in particlular) and Souness? Does it work? Yes! Why didn't his predecessors do the same thing? Who knows...
He knows when the Defence is poor and puts time to one side, to talk to them in groups and as individuals. We know he's going to buy in the long term, but for now, he's worked hard and rebuilt the confidence of some and helped the technique of all. We now score twice as many goals as we let in. Not perfect, but a start. He's given the team some self respect back.
We're told he's spending a lot of time looking for a replacement for Shearer - something that should've been done by Robson, not to mention Souness! Instead, both shopped around for more Midfielders...
Roeder's steadied the ship and all without a budget or a transfer window to spend in. Robson wasted over £70 million, Souness £50+ million. Few of Robson's purchases are at the Club now and most have left for far less than they cost. Roeder's shown that a good Manager can make players work as a Team - something we've seen little of for a few Seasons.
Roeder In!
He's brought 28 points from 13 games, which had we maintained that kind of form over the whole Season, would see us 3rd on 78 points, breathing down ManYu's neck for the auto ECL slot, and comfortably ahead of Liverpool in 3rd - albeit both have a game in hand. He's put the team back where it was before everything went wrong - in a Euro position. And remember, despite the jibes from certain quarters in here about us being under achievers etc, it's only 2 Seasons ago we were 5th, 3rd the Season before and 4th before that. A top 4 finish, doesn't give our team nosebleeds. Indeed, despite being in the EPL a season less than most of our rivals, we're still the 5th best EPL team of all time.
Roeder seems to understand the hopes and desires of your average NUFC fan. He knows the way we like to see Football played and has gone about his job quietly and calmly - no fuss or public rants (Robson), no digs at fans (Robson) or players (Robson and Souness) and no falling out so publicly with the players we need to play for us (Robson and Souness!). He plays a Left Back at... Left Back; Strikers play up front and Midfielders in Midfield - are you watching Robson (in particlular) and Souness? Does it work? Yes! Why didn't his predecessors do the same thing? Who knows...
He knows when the Defence is poor and puts time to one side, to talk to them in groups and as individuals. We know he's going to buy in the long term, but for now, he's worked hard and rebuilt the confidence of some and helped the technique of all. We now score twice as many goals as we let in. Not perfect, but a start. He's given the team some self respect back.
We're told he's spending a lot of time looking for a replacement for Shearer - something that should've been done by Robson, not to mention Souness! Instead, both shopped around for more Midfielders...
Roeder's steadied the ship and all without a budget or a transfer window to spend in. Robson wasted over £70 million, Souness £50+ million. Few of Robson's purchases are at the Club now and most have left for far less than they cost. Roeder's shown that a good Manager can make players work as a Team - something we've seen little of for a few Seasons.
Roeder In!
25 April 2006, 09:15 PM
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Word on the street is that Roeder has got the job subject to ratification from the FA. The plan is for him to complete the remainder of his pro licence course during the summer.
He deserves a chance and the fans are actually behind this appointment!
Meanwhile on Wearyside O'Neill is likely to take the job provided that he gets a fat wedge to spend on players following the take over.
He deserves a chance and the fans are actually behind this appointment!
Meanwhile on Wearyside O'Neill is likely to take the job provided that he gets a fat wedge to spend on players following the take over.
26 April 2006, 10:42 AM
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Owen can't replace Shearer.
Owen needs a partner to play off thats a target man, strong in the air, will get you goals too. Someone like Shearer!
Owen needs a partner to play off thats a target man, strong in the air, will get you goals too. Someone like Shearer!
26 April 2006, 10:55 AM
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I see big mouth Sam Allardyce has become involved in the Roeder situation, saying Glenn shouldn't be allowed to take the job until he's got his Pro badge! Bearing in mind this so called Pro badge will simply qualify him to deal with Agents and the Media, is it that big a deal? He's been an EPL manager for 2 years with West Ham - is that experience enough? He has the highest practical coaching badges available; surely that's enough?
As for Allardyce; bitter and twisted I reckon. He's not going to get the England job and (God willing), he won't get the NUFC one either. What a dour, miserable, nasty man.
Oh, and I agree. Owen was bought to play off Shearer - a kind of super-duper Craig Bellamy replacement. We still need an alternative to Al.
As for Allardyce; bitter and twisted I reckon. He's not going to get the England job and (God willing), he won't get the NUFC one either. What a dour, miserable, nasty man.
Oh, and I agree. Owen was bought to play off Shearer - a kind of super-duper Craig Bellamy replacement. We still need an alternative to Al.
26 April 2006, 12:40 PM
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The fact is he doesn't meet the criteria specified to be a Premiership manager, he wont be allowed to fast track as that is unfair on other managers. Just because he has managed West Ham doesn't mean a thing when it comes to meeting the rules. No Pro badge means no job as a Premiership manager.
So its looking like you wont be allowed to have him as your manager
So its looking like you wont be allowed to have him as your manager
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Ah yes but youre forgetting Brian Robson was allowed by the PL to manage the Baggies for a season without his Pro Licence. I think there is mileage in this story still.
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Originally Posted by Mark_S
Ah yes but youre forgetting Brian Robson was allowed by the PL to manage the Baggies for a season without his Pro Licence. I think there is mileage in this story still.
Aye and look whats happening to the Baggies
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26 April 2006, 09:37 PM
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No Pro badge means no job as a Premiership manager.
My point was and still is, that Roeder has all the practical coaching qualifications. He's only missing the bit that theoretically qualifies Mangers to speak to the Media and deal with Agents. How many current holders of the badge do either well? Ha! Very few... The current England Manager being one name that springs to mind! Pathetic...
I heard on BBC Radio 5 Live that the reason Roeder may get dispensation, is his illness. He had started the Pro badge when he fell ill at West Ham, and seeing as he sailed through the other badges (being one of the brighter guys in Football), it may be allowed, providing he passes the missing badge by the end of the Summer. When there are EPL Managers around who can barely string 2 words together, Glenn will have no probs passing by this supposed deadline.
If he's not allowed, I guess we'll have to offer the job back to some of the lesser Managers out there - O'Neil, Eriksson, Hiddink, Scolari etc.
27 April 2006, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by richiewong
Aye and look whats happening to the Baggies
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I dont see Roeder devaluing the system, he's well respected and the circumstances are extenuating.
27 April 2006, 06:45 AM
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B2-0,
I dont see Roeder devaluing the system, he's well respected and the circumstances are extenuating.
I dont see Roeder devaluing the system, he's well respected and the circumstances are extenuating.
27 April 2006, 07:40 AM
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other managers who worked hard for their badge
Are you saying Roeder didn't work hard for his? All that's being asked is for him to be allowed to take control whilst completing the badge he started before he had a life threatening illness - one he was not expected to recover from. It's quite common in many professions to allow people to occupy a position, whilst working toward a required qualification - providing he/she can do the job. I think few have any doubts he can do the job...
Does the Pro badge really matter? Roeder has all the qualifications to deal with coaching, training and managing an EPL club. Are you saying because he doesn't have the Pro badge, that he doesn't know how to deal with the Media or Agents? Did his illness remove his previous knowledge and experience?
If this badge and course are so important, why don't we see evidence of its effectiveness? Fergie refuses to speak to the BBC and has done for years. Wenger, Allardyce, Mourinho, Bruce, Souness, Robson (Bobby), Robson (Bryan), Jol, O'Leary, Redknapp and so on, have all had run ins with the Media. Where's the evidence they have done the course? It's a piece of paper and nothing else! As for Agents; haven't most had hassles with them? Again, the course and badge appear to have taught Managers little. It's pathetic...
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Does the Pro badge really matter?
I'm not saying Roeder deserves to be treated harshly, merely that the system has a requirement to be met for the offer of a job and he doesn't meet that requirement.
If they bend the rules then so be it but the report I read on Sky Sports was quoting officials saying he wouldn't be allowed to be offered the job as it would be in breach of the rules.
27 April 2006, 05:18 PM
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If it was a badge that trained and qualified a Coach to deal with tactics, fitness training, the aftermath of an injury etc etc, I'd agree, but dealing with the Media and Agents? As I've said, so many have this so called, Pro Badge, and still ***** it up! Great training course...
Maybe Roeder will be asking himself if FA training courses are worth the time, effort and money - just like a whole host of English Managers and ex Managers are at the moment! FA? Great organisation and top bunch of blokes!
Roeder AND Scolari In!
Maybe Roeder will be asking himself if FA training courses are worth the time, effort and money - just like a whole host of English Managers and ex Managers are at the moment!
FA? Great organisation and top bunch of blokes!Roeder AND Scolari In!
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Just read that Roeder had actually paid his £7K fee for the Pro badge course, when he was taken ill. Didn't get a refund and the FA say he has to pay again...
He's arguing that a precedent has been set, when they allowed Bryan Robson to take his badge whilst managing West Brom. There's another example of how useful this badge actually is!
He's arguing that a precedent has been set, when they allowed Bryan Robson to take his badge whilst managing West Brom. There's another example of how useful this badge actually is!
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Originally Posted by Castrol
Just read that Roeder had actually paid his £7K fee for the Pro badge course, when he was taken ill. Didn't get a refund and the FA say he has to pay again...
He's arguing that a precedent has been set, when they allowed Bryan Robson to take his badge whilst managing West Brom. There's another example of how useful this badge actually is!
He's arguing that a precedent has been set, when they allowed Bryan Robson to take his badge whilst managing West Brom. There's another example of how useful this badge actually is!
