So this is what caused the fire !
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So this is what caused the fire !
Some serious amount of detonation blowing a hole in the piston causing oil to be blown to blown back up through the breathers...intresting
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no idea to be honest, it was pretty quick though with no lag made 385bhp @ 1.55bar on a gps road dyno, you should know you drove the car
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Should be ready by the end of this month hopefully, aiming for a 500bhp, 10 second drag car on pump fuel and something that will be a reliable daily driver, spec as follows :
2.1cc Strokered Race engine
EJ20 Closed Deck Block - Rear Thrust converted
Under Piston Oil jets
79mm EJ257 Crank
Wiseco 92.5mm Stroker Pistons
Crower Rods
ACL Race Bearings
RCM Oil Pump
ARP Head stud Kit
1.6mm MLS H.gaskets
800cc Injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Custom Reverse Inlet Manifold
Autobhan FMIC
Hayward and Schott Equal Length Tublar Headers
Hayward and Schott 3inch Exhaust System
Helix Organic Clutch
Toda Billet Flywheel
Turbo Technics S206 turbo
Simtek ECU with Antilag and Launch Control
2.1cc Strokered Race engine
EJ20 Closed Deck Block - Rear Thrust converted
Under Piston Oil jets
79mm EJ257 Crank
Wiseco 92.5mm Stroker Pistons
Crower Rods
ACL Race Bearings
RCM Oil Pump
ARP Head stud Kit
1.6mm MLS H.gaskets
800cc Injectors
Aeromotive FPR
Custom Reverse Inlet Manifold
Autobhan FMIC
Hayward and Schott Equal Length Tublar Headers
Hayward and Schott 3inch Exhaust System
Helix Organic Clutch
Toda Billet Flywheel
Turbo Technics S206 turbo
Simtek ECU with Antilag and Launch Control
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lol
i feel sorry for ki8lla as he only managed to take his car out a few times?
im really curious to what caused it? was it natural causes lol?
what was the milage ?what oil was you using?what was the oil temp or pressure?
i feel sorry for ki8lla as he only managed to take his car out a few times?
im really curious to what caused it? was it natural causes lol?
what was the milage ?what oil was you using?what was the oil temp or pressure?
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Why did it blow?
1. To much power for the block
2. Anti lag on all the time
3. We all saw how you drove it
Looking forward to seeing the car once it's back on the road again.
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This from the simtek webiste but in a nutshell no it does not retard timing if it detects knock.
Knock Warning
The ECU uses the OEM Knock Sensor to listen for ‘Knock’. This is then fed to a Digital Signal Processor for analysis. If the DSP decides that knock is detected, the Check Engine Light will be flashed to give the driver warning that engine damage could be occurring. In an effort to avoid damage, you then have the option of switching to the alternate calibration (map) whilst the cause of the knock is identified. This is often down to a low quality tank of fuel.
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Knock Warning
The ECU uses the OEM Knock Sensor to listen for ‘Knock’. This is then fed to a Digital Signal Processor for analysis. If the DSP decides that knock is detected, the Check Engine Light will be flashed to give the driver warning that engine damage could be occurring. In an effort to avoid damage, you then have the option of switching to the alternate calibration (map) whilst the cause of the knock is identified. This is often down to a low quality tank of fuel.
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Yes, it could have potentially saved his engine as it has active knock correction. Taken from the Solaris website:
Full Knock Control
Standard on S8C, Optional on S6, not available on S4C)
Knock control enable on TPS or MAP target
Ignition advance when knock control active
Disable time after gear cut
Reset Ignition retard on gear cut
First event Ignition retard step
Ignition retard Step
Severe event ignition step
Maximum ignition retard
Non-knocking cycles until reinstate step
Ignition reinstate step
Ignition retard threshold for full fuel cut
Ignition retard when knock sensing failed
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Full Knock Control
Standard on S8C, Optional on S6, not available on S4C)
Knock control enable on TPS or MAP target
Ignition advance when knock control active
Disable time after gear cut
Reset Ignition retard on gear cut
First event Ignition retard step
Ignition retard Step
Severe event ignition step
Maximum ignition retard
Non-knocking cycles until reinstate step
Ignition reinstate step
Ignition retard threshold for full fuel cut
Ignition retard when knock sensing failed
Banny
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Taken from this thread...which is why I mention it.
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ml#post8311930
https://www.scoobynet.com/general-te...ml#post8311930
The logic in going to a "warning" rather than a "control" strategy was that, unless you develop a fully adaptive ECU (as in the new age cars), you always are left with the problem of how and when do you reinstate the ignition timing that has been removed without then consistently repeating the det condition.Assuming that the car was mapped correctly originally, then you need to remove the root cause of the det before reinstating the timing.For this reason we felt that a warning system was safer, and even with a "control" system in place we would intend to retain the "warning" system.
You could argue that the early OEM ecu with a limited "control" strategy and no warning gives rise to the very problem I have outlined above.Det is detected and driver is unaware of det > ign reduced for a while > dets again > repeat until engine lets go! We stress to all our customers the significance of the CEL flashing; it is natural that this may be queried once it happens but that must be better than blissful ignorance.
I do take on board your comments Duncan and would only disagree in that I think the SimTek is already "cracking"; it will be "cracking plus" when the next upgrades are released!
Steve S
You could argue that the early OEM ecu with a limited "control" strategy and no warning gives rise to the very problem I have outlined above.Det is detected and driver is unaware of det > ign reduced for a while > dets again > repeat until engine lets go! We stress to all our customers the significance of the CEL flashing; it is natural that this may be queried once it happens but that must be better than blissful ignorance.
I do take on board your comments Duncan and would only disagree in that I think the SimTek is already "cracking"; it will be "cracking plus" when the next upgrades are released!
Steve S
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banny i got say you are truely scooby dictionery lol
now i know why jp4 loves the solaris.
is there anything that solaries cant do that simtek can?
just spoke to ki8lla and he told me his milage is just over 40k.
only if there was a way of finding out if the fuel was bad before buying.
now i know why jp4 loves the solaris.
is there anything that solaries cant do that simtek can?
just spoke to ki8lla and he told me his milage is just over 40k.
only if there was a way of finding out if the fuel was bad before buying.
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Solaris is £1195 + vat but icludes everything e.g als. launch contol, nitrous control and the software for mapping, the simtek is £895 + vat + £150 (als, launch) + £126 for the mapping lead, software and dongle (you will need this if you decide to use a different mapper).
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its an easy one then solaries is a better all rounder and its only 24 quid more. banny i can see you have a lot of info on the solaris. by the looks of things i think you will be the next solaris customer. (",)
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K18llr's case was an exception, normally the Simtek maps are pretty spot on, I remember K18llr having serious det issues when driving the car on load in the higher gears..
I remember him saying every time the car came on boost in the higher gears it would det considerably.
If he had aftermarket pistons it may have lasted longer, but enough detonation and any piston will get mullered.
Really and truely Knock control shouldn't be needed on a good map (regardless of ecu) other than for a bad batch of fuel.
I remember him saying every time the car came on boost in the higher gears it would det considerably.
If he had aftermarket pistons it may have lasted longer, but enough detonation and any piston will get mullered.
Really and truely Knock control shouldn't be needed on a good map (regardless of ecu) other than for a bad batch of fuel.
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You'd need an independant mapper to look at the map and make their own conclusions.
It's at a Simtek specialists now anyway, so they'll be able to see if it was the map that was causing such recurring det.
Weather it was mechanical or map related the issue should have been resolved before an engine failure.
K18LLR is the only one who knows the in's and out's of what did and did not happen with his car, so he will be best to comment.
Personally imo even if it was the most agressive map available it still should not have been knocking so much as soon as it came on boost.
Any map should be created to allow a safe driving experience, otherwise why get a remap?...
If there was a mechanical issue that caused the incessant det it still should have been investigated until it was resolved.
The bright side of things are that K18LLR is finally getting the build he wanted and he/we should all be glad that his car will back, bigger and better than before ready to terrorise the streets of W.London!