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Old 11 June 2016, 10:47 PM
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We could just vote to leave, and see what happens. In a few years time, if it doesn't work out, we could always rejoin. Its not as if they won't want us back.

Despite all the scaremongering, nobody can say for sure how things will be till we actually do it.
Old 11 June 2016, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by c_maguire
You appear to be inadvertently confirming my views. A top notch bunch of brainiacs there. Traditional Northern Labour voters.

If we had any sense we would scrap 'one person-one vote' and initiate a stepped system where each voter carried between one and four points per vote dependent on certain factors, thereby allowing the more qualified to have a higher impact on any result.
You were clearly born in the wrong era....
Old 12 June 2016, 01:56 AM
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Old 12 June 2016, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Actually quite an interesting article on the thoughts of the traditional Northern Labour voters...
Revenge of the betrayed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-Brexit.html
it is undoubtedly true Labour has become too SE metropolitan focused

a process that has been going on for 50 years, and mirrors the decline in economic fortunes of the North during that time

unsurprisingly politicians gravitate towards where the power is!!

it seems the decline has been a combination of politicians abdication of power to "the market" in particular and globalisation in general.

(an abdication by all parties - but the free market mantra comes solely from the right, the Chicago School of supply side economics, sadly uncritically adopted by Labour)

no doubt the Labour voters see a vote out as taking back "control" - but nothing I have heard from the Brexiters leads me to imagine that the mantra of letting "markets" decide (in virtually all spheres of UK life) will be reversed and the politicians will take back "control" and start providing leadership and vision


the EU is simply a convenient and obvious punch bag

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Old 12 June 2016, 10:08 AM
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Just imagine Britain was not or never had been in the EU would you want to join the EU ?
Old 12 June 2016, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BL08 EYE
Just imagine Britain was not or never had been in the EU would you want to join the EU ?
People keep saying this but it's a completely different argument.
Old 12 June 2016, 10:32 AM
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Well its kind of irrelevant
Old 12 June 2016, 04:51 PM
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Ooo er - 19 points....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...s-flock-Brexit
Old 12 June 2016, 06:38 PM
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More good news for those who value common sense

Maybe even some deluded liberals are waking up and smelling the coffee and intending to vote out!

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Old 12 June 2016, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
More good news for those who value common sense

Maybe even some deluded liberals are waking up and smelling the coffee and intending to vote out!
What's the good news, Pete? Is it from Warren? If so you'll have to quote it for me because I'm pretending to block him.
Old 12 June 2016, 07:00 PM
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It certainly looks like a Brexit is on the cards

I said on this thread (a few weeks back) that a good friend thought it would go this way - I.e out

I must say I was surprised to hear him say that (as I said in my posts)

I assumed it would a win for in tbh

But the last few weeks it been obvious the tide has turned

The only bright side is wondering what Alcazar will winge about

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Old 12 June 2016, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
It certainly looks like a Brexit is on the cards
Certainly does

Can't wait to see the look on Junckers face - the incompetant deluded fool will probably just completely deny the UK has voted out and carry on as usual though!

Next country to escape from the clutches of the failed socialist project? Austria? Greece?
Old 12 June 2016, 07:38 PM
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Yeah, Greece should never have been allowed in

And prob not to much of a shock if it left

But the UK will "smart"

The nightmare scenario is if the whole EU falls apart

And we have a return to the politics of the 1920's and 1930's
Old 12 June 2016, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
It certainly looks like a Brexit is on the cards

I said on this thread (a few weeks back) that a good friend thought it would go this way - I.e out

I must say I was surprised to hear him say that (as I said in my posts)

I assumed it would a win for in tbh

But the last few weeks it been obvious the tide has turned

The only bright side is wondering what Alcazar will winge about

(Answers on a post card)
Erm..... perhaps about having to get a visa for visiting his villa in France?
Old 12 June 2016, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by scunnered
We could just vote to leave, and see what happens. In a few years time, if it doesn't work out, we could always rejoin. Its not as if they won't want us back.

Despite all the scaremongering, nobody can say for sure how things will be till we actually do it.
Sorry Scunnered, just seen this

No, out means out, in means in (at least for the next two generations or so)

This is a Ronseal vote - please don't vote on the basis that this does not mean what it says on the tin

In or out (we already have membership terms no one else does)
Old 12 June 2016, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Petem95

Next country to escape from the clutches of the failed socialist project? Austria? Greece?
I'd guess that it would be the Netherlands who go for referendum, Catalonia going for independence from Spain, Italy and Greece to leave the Euro.
Old 12 June 2016, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
I'd guess that it would be the Netherlands who go for referendum, Catalonia going for independence from Spain, Italy and Greece to leave the Euro.
Denmark
Old 12 June 2016, 10:47 PM
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Old 12 June 2016, 10:54 PM
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Bbc1 now; Yet again the bollocks are being spouted. Now it's the inners with the mouthy woman on the right saying Birmingaham will lose 44000jobs if we leave.

Where did she get these "facts"?
Old 12 June 2016, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Yeah, Greece should never have been allowed in

And prob not to much of a shock if it left

But the UK will "smart"

The nightmare scenario is if the whole EU falls apart

And we have a return to the politics of the 1920's and 1930's
The irony is the EU project is the reason for the whole continent falling apart. The project has been an unmitigated disaster. It's being run by staggeringly incompetent and out-of-touch bureaucrats, and the result is economic disaster and rapidly growing discontent by citizens all over Europe. Just look the relentless rise of nationalist parties all over.

Even if they somehow manage to fiddle the UK voting 'in' the EU project will end in disaster. We're only a year or two away from the next economic downturn globally, and Europe's going to absolutely explode when this hits.
Old 12 June 2016, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyWon't
I'd guess that it would be the Netherlands who go for referendum, Catalonia going for independence from Spain, Italy and Greece to leave the Euro.
Scotland?
Old 13 June 2016, 12:53 PM
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This article pretty much sums up my current thoughts...


http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...leave-campaign
Old 13 June 2016, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
This article pretty much sums up my current thoughts...


http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...leave-campaign

Read the comments and it is not what the people think, that is far more important

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Old 13 June 2016, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Read the comments and it is not what the people think.

You mean 'it's not what the people who wrote on the comments section think'
Old 13 June 2016, 01:24 PM
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Hahahahahahahahahaha, my "villa in France" is a little 300 year old farmhouse which I'm busy doing up, while supporting the French rural economy. Bloody won't stop raining now, though

I see the Swedish foreign minister thinks the EU will fall apart with, or without Brexit. The rural french have about had enough, Greece will default on their payment and jump ship if we go, and I believe Spain won't be far behind.

As usual, the socialists have ruined what was a decent idea.
Old 13 June 2016, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You mean 'it's not what the people who wrote on the comments section think'
On the hoof comments literally
Old 13 June 2016, 01:57 PM
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http://www.southwestbusiness.co.uk/n...o-stay-in-uk-/

nice lot them ukip donaters
Old 13 June 2016, 02:00 PM
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Do you trust politicians to do what they say they're going to do? Have a read of this!

Project fear is a fitting name, you should be ****ing terrified!

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Old 13 June 2016, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You mean 'it's not what the people who wrote on the comments section think'
I liked this one

"Michael Gove, a Chicago School fanatic who regards anything preventing 18th century levels of inequality as 'red tape'. "


and good article

but it maybe too late
Old 13 June 2016, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I liked this one

"Michael Gove, a Chicago School fanatic who regards anything preventing 18th century levels of inequality as 'red tape'. "


and good article

but it maybe too late
I disagree ; d'Ancona's bias with Cameron is quite well documented; I recall a few years ago The Spectator's Douglas Murray highlighted d'Ancona bias during the General elections. This article is no different and just continue his usual London-centric elitist bile albeit a little watered down where in the past he's been quicker than a gunslinger drawing a Smith and Wesson when it comes to drawing out the racist card.

And if you want me to counter his article. Then just copy and past anything recent from Douglas Murray who sits on the other side of the fence.



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