I have been the victim of road rage
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What the incident the other night did was highlight the fact that we go about our business sort of half asleep and not fully appreciative of how many things can go disastrously wrong.
I admit i can be a hothead and didn't entirely help matters the other night. In hindsight i can see that it could have led to catastrophe.
But lets say i let the guy bully me out of the way, then he carries on such behaviour until one day he goes up against someone who knocks the wind out his sails.
Or lets just say no-one does and he continues with his behaviour until one day he does something serious to someone.
I can be arsey but I try to maintain balance. There are too many people in this world who are happy giving ****e but won't take it. I do neither. I don't give it and won't take it. Some days I do better than others.
Matt and Flat Cap - thanks for your input guys.
I admit i can be a hothead and didn't entirely help matters the other night. In hindsight i can see that it could have led to catastrophe.
But lets say i let the guy bully me out of the way, then he carries on such behaviour until one day he goes up against someone who knocks the wind out his sails.
Or lets just say no-one does and he continues with his behaviour until one day he does something serious to someone.
I can be arsey but I try to maintain balance. There are too many people in this world who are happy giving ****e but won't take it. I do neither. I don't give it and won't take it. Some days I do better than others.
Matt and Flat Cap - thanks for your input guys.
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Flatcap - how the hell do you move out of the way on a single lane road?
Your posts suggest you condone bad driving yet are quite happy to put down anyone that reacts to being threatened.
A tailgating car is likely to crash into the back of you - there is never ever any need. Especially when you know you have much better brakes than the tailgater. You can not always move out of the way - if I can, I do.
I think Dan seems very together and this is not about me - it's about a situation and how people react.
Now jump off your high horse and try living in the real world.
Your posts suggest you condone bad driving yet are quite happy to put down anyone that reacts to being threatened.
A tailgating car is likely to crash into the back of you - there is never ever any need. Especially when you know you have much better brakes than the tailgater. You can not always move out of the way - if I can, I do.
I think Dan seems very together and this is not about me - it's about a situation and how people react.
Now jump off your high horse and try living in the real world.
You know perfectly well what I'm suggesting when I advise you to move over so don't try to be so pedantic as to suggest that it always happens on single track roads. As I drive around 30k miles per annum I see all sort of driving/actions that are dire including tailgating - and I've never seen a car that's tailgating crash into another one - its not an automatic or even frequent event as you're implying.
You're now saying you move over whenever possible, but in your last post you were implying that you 'took it very, very seriously' in some sort of mini - hero statement that implied you'd resort to physical violence. So, which is it?
Additionally, I'm not 'putting anyone down' who reacts to it but simply saying that you cannot complain about it if you've contributed to the situation. Conversely, if someone threatens you or attacks you and you decide to take it further then that's entirely up to you but don't complain about it if it backfires.
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Then I suggest for a dose of realism that you re-read the original post and substitute your 'giving someone a sign' for what he actually wrote which was:
" I ended up calling him a w--anchor"
" I lost it at that point and said that 'if I get out of the car I take your head off"
... followed by some other choice phrases that suggest he's quite used to confrontation such as...
"the nipper however is unphased (sic). He been doing martial arts since he was 3 so is'nt vexed by argy bargy"
" I feel quite unsettled which is odd because argy bargy doesn't usually do this to me".
All of which points to the OP having actively participated in ratcheting the situation up when he could have simply shrugged his shoulders when merging and let the other bloke get on with it. I suspect that he was probably pushing in front of the other driver if, as he says, the other bloke was close enough to bang his car with his fist.
If he hadn't reacted in any shape or form, then I'd be more sympathetic but because he did react then he has to accept a fair share of the blame. As it was, he was probably either too scared/or realised that it wasn't worth taking the situation any further.
So, I suggest that you try to look at things from all perspectives before you take lame pot shots at other posters or you'll make yourself as unpopular as you were earlier in the year when you flounced off vowing never to return.
" I ended up calling him a w--anchor"
" I lost it at that point and said that 'if I get out of the car I take your head off"
... followed by some other choice phrases that suggest he's quite used to confrontation such as...
"the nipper however is unphased (sic). He been doing martial arts since he was 3 so is'nt vexed by argy bargy"
" I feel quite unsettled which is odd because argy bargy doesn't usually do this to me".
All of which points to the OP having actively participated in ratcheting the situation up when he could have simply shrugged his shoulders when merging and let the other bloke get on with it. I suspect that he was probably pushing in front of the other driver if, as he says, the other bloke was close enough to bang his car with his fist.
If he hadn't reacted in any shape or form, then I'd be more sympathetic but because he did react then he has to accept a fair share of the blame. As it was, he was probably either too scared/or realised that it wasn't worth taking the situation any further.
So, I suggest that you try to look at things from all perspectives before you take lame pot shots at other posters or you'll make yourself as unpopular as you were earlier in the year when you flounced off vowing never to return.
I think it is most unwise to preach about it since you are not in a position to apportion blame in a completely fair manner.
I also think that the OP was very sensible to drive off when he did. I have to admit that I might have found that difficult to do. As far as I am concerned-someone banging my car is guilty of assault.
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Flatcap - in my many years of driving, I have spotted a potential crash (when stationary) three times and moved out of the way - because I constantly check my rear view mirrors. A recent one would have totalled my car completely. The person who failed to stop in time looked like she was drunk or on drugs. People just drive badly and the only way to avoid stuff is be hyper defensive.
Sorry but I don't care if you drive 100k miles a year - that does not mean you drive well. In fact it's a line taxi drivers love to use - and look at how many of them drive.
It's about knowing when you are wrong (I sometimes am and admit it) but trying to avoid anything dangerous - I've seen at least a dozen incidents caused by tailgating. I'd say 70% of MWay accidents are caused by it (including one I was stuck in the jam of on Monday - junc 4b, M4, Westbound) . It's stupidly dangerous.
I do take it very seriously if someone tailgates me when I clearly can't move out of the way - what's the point? Dangerous and daft. Not every road is the M4/5/6/whatever.
However I do agree with some of your points and feel we may be reaching what's quoted in so many films as "an understanding" which is progress I guess.
Sorry but I don't care if you drive 100k miles a year - that does not mean you drive well. In fact it's a line taxi drivers love to use - and look at how many of them drive.
It's about knowing when you are wrong (I sometimes am and admit it) but trying to avoid anything dangerous - I've seen at least a dozen incidents caused by tailgating. I'd say 70% of MWay accidents are caused by it (including one I was stuck in the jam of on Monday - junc 4b, M4, Westbound) . It's stupidly dangerous.
I do take it very seriously if someone tailgates me when I clearly can't move out of the way - what's the point? Dangerous and daft. Not every road is the M4/5/6/whatever.
However I do agree with some of your points and feel we may be reaching what's quoted in so many films as "an understanding" which is progress I guess.
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Dan,
Sadly this is just life in Britain. well done for driving off. You definitely did the right thing.
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
People will laugh and question that particularly in relation to the US but I know what I have experienced and the UK is by far the worst place to drive in certainly in terms of agression!!
I used to get annoyed and scream and shout at people, but these days it just ain't worth it. Give 'em a wave and get out of there is my motto !!
Sadly this is just life in Britain. well done for driving off. You definitely did the right thing.
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
People will laugh and question that particularly in relation to the US but I know what I have experienced and the UK is by far the worst place to drive in certainly in terms of agression!!
I used to get annoyed and scream and shout at people, but these days it just ain't worth it. Give 'em a wave and get out of there is my motto !!
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You have learnt a lesson Dan .
There is always someone bigger,harder,tougher than us .The fact is you dont need to go looking for him/her .
This fella may not of been ,but fortunately you ,you did not find out .
Didnt ask about youe Ex ,as we all hang around with Her !!!!!!!
There is always someone bigger,harder,tougher than us .The fact is you dont need to go looking for him/her .
This fella may not of been ,but fortunately you ,you did not find out .
Didnt ask about youe Ex ,as we all hang around with Her !!!!!!!
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Dan,
Sadly this is just life in Britain. well done for driving off. You definitely did the right thing.
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
People will laugh and question that particularly in relation to the US but I know what I have experienced and the UK is by far the worst place to drive in certainly in terms of agression!!
I used to get annoyed and scream and shout at people, but these days it just ain't worth it. Give 'em a wave and get out of there is my motto !!
Sadly this is just life in Britain. well done for driving off. You definitely did the right thing.
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
People will laugh and question that particularly in relation to the US but I know what I have experienced and the UK is by far the worst place to drive in certainly in terms of agression!!
I used to get annoyed and scream and shout at people, but these days it just ain't worth it. Give 'em a wave and get out of there is my motto !!
But it seems that bad and dangerous driving are unendin hazards on the orads these days.
Some days it feels like at every turn there's a muppet acting up.
I appreciate that my original post suggests I can be arsey, which I can, but I am very restrained.
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Flatcap - in my many years of driving, I have spotted a potential crash (when stationary) three times and moved out of the way - because I constantly check my rear view mirrors. A recent one would have totalled my car completely. The person who failed to stop in time looked like she was drunk or on drugs. People just drive badly and the only way to avoid stuff is be hyper defensive.
Sorry but I don't care if you drive 100k miles a year - that does not mean you drive well. In fact it's a line taxi drivers love to use - and look at how many of them drive.
It's about knowing when you are wrong (I sometimes am and admit it) but trying to avoid anything dangerous - I've seen at least a dozen incidents caused by tailgating. I'd say 70% of MWay accidents are caused by it (including one I was stuck in the jam of on Monday - junc 4b, M4, Westbound) . It's stupidly dangerous.
I do take it very seriously if someone tailgates me when I clearly can't move out of the way - what's the point? Dangerous and daft. Not every road is the M4/5/6/whatever.
However I do agree with some of your points and feel we may be reaching what's quoted in so many films as "an understanding" which is progress I guess.
Sorry but I don't care if you drive 100k miles a year - that does not mean you drive well. In fact it's a line taxi drivers love to use - and look at how many of them drive.
It's about knowing when you are wrong (I sometimes am and admit it) but trying to avoid anything dangerous - I've seen at least a dozen incidents caused by tailgating. I'd say 70% of MWay accidents are caused by it (including one I was stuck in the jam of on Monday - junc 4b, M4, Westbound) . It's stupidly dangerous.
I do take it very seriously if someone tailgates me when I clearly can't move out of the way - what's the point? Dangerous and daft. Not every road is the M4/5/6/whatever.
However I do agree with some of your points and feel we may be reaching what's quoted in so many films as "an understanding" which is progress I guess.
Well, you've been incredibly unlucky to see so many accidents and if you're serious about reaching an understanding then you'll need to learn to play the ball, not the player and I as I originally pointed out the OP didn't simply react by making a sign which was what you originally implied.
To put the matter to rest in these situations you have two choices which are to either walk away or confrontation. Either choice has its merits/detractions but if people are serious about protecting their families then unless the guy physically attacks them, then realistically the former choice is the only one. If you're on your own then you have more options but again the former choice is probably the better one.
It'll hurt your pride but that's all that will be dented.
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Sorry to hear of your tale of woe - IMHO, I think you did the right thing by driving away, especially when you had a child in the car 
Wel done for not rising to it cos as you say, he may have been armed.
I have two young kids and there's no way my wife would have let me pulled into that side-street - you just never know.
Here's one I had (in my old user name).
Road Rage Incident - Advice Required [Archive] - ScoobyNet
Wel done for not rising to it cos as you say, he may have been armed.
I have two young kids and there's no way my wife would have let me pulled into that side-street - you just never know.
Here's one I had (in my old user name).
Road Rage Incident - Advice Required [Archive] - ScoobyNet
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People argue and wind each other up every minute of every day but it rarely comes to blows.
You can argue it whatever way you like but I think the OP did OK. Being too passive can also be a mistake in these situations. To the point where after a while, only a massive escalation will sort matters out. If I read things correctly and you were blocked in.
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You can argue it whatever way you like but I think the OP did OK. Being too passive can also be a mistake in these situations. To the point where after a while, only a massive escalation will sort matters out. If I read things correctly and you were blocked in.
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as a road cyclist I've lost count of the amount of car windows I've tried to punch through, the wing mirrors I've tried to or have kicked off, the confrontations I've had with stupid moronic cagers in their cars who think I'm invisible as they have nearly killed me.
very calm in the car though, esp as it seems to either attract nutters wanting to race, or stops the nutters racing as they will loose against the scooby.
I'm also old and don't have the temper of my youth.
very calm in the car though, esp as it seems to either attract nutters wanting to race, or stops the nutters racing as they will loose against the scooby.
I'm also old and don't have the temper of my youth.
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Where was this in Cardiff Dan? Gabalfa flyover where 3 go to two and may the best man/latest for work win? 
Its becoming so much more common - I was on the Gabalfa roundabout a few days ago and a car pulled out on me rather than wait for me to go round. He got a flash of lights - I got people hanging out the car waving fists and shouting wanchor!!! Now what exactly did I do wrong there??? Lots of aggressive idiots out there - just let them get on with it and report them if its really bad.
What does get my blood boiling is getting knocked off my cycle in a bus lane and then called a c**t by the guy that did it. That's the only time I lashed out, much to his regret, but generally as people say a cool head is far less danger, stress and hassle.
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Its becoming so much more common - I was on the Gabalfa roundabout a few days ago and a car pulled out on me rather than wait for me to go round. He got a flash of lights - I got people hanging out the car waving fists and shouting wanchor!!! Now what exactly did I do wrong there??? Lots of aggressive idiots out there - just let them get on with it and report them if its really bad.
What does get my blood boiling is getting knocked off my cycle in a bus lane and then called a c**t by the guy that did it. That's the only time I lashed out, much to his regret, but generally as people say a cool head is far less danger, stress and hassle.
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Similar thing happend to me the other day.
2 lanes of traffic on a 40 mph zone.
We had stopped a lights i was about 5 cars back. I realised i need the left lane, i was in the right. SO i indicated and when the traffic started to move, slowly starting moving into the now clear left lane. I was perhaps going 5 mph.
Some complete twonk bollock, who was in the left lane booted his sh1ty primera as hard as the car would go just to stop me changing lanes.
And the then proceeded to shout and make hand gestures. I just looked at him gobsmacked, and proceeded to wind him up by looking connfused at him and saying pardon cant quite here u.
I mean all i had done was try and change bloody lanes, but he decided that his erratic driving wich nearly took my front wing out was ok
Few years back when i had my calibra a t0sser decied to chop acros two lanes on a round a bout and shot of at my exit causing me to do an emergency stop. When i beeped the horn at him, he pulled over wanting to fight.
Dont these people ever take a look at themselves, or do they go around in there own little world were they can do no wrong?
2 lanes of traffic on a 40 mph zone.
We had stopped a lights i was about 5 cars back. I realised i need the left lane, i was in the right. SO i indicated and when the traffic started to move, slowly starting moving into the now clear left lane. I was perhaps going 5 mph.
Some complete twonk bollock, who was in the left lane booted his sh1ty primera as hard as the car would go just to stop me changing lanes.
And the then proceeded to shout and make hand gestures. I just looked at him gobsmacked, and proceeded to wind him up by looking connfused at him and saying pardon cant quite here u.
I mean all i had done was try and change bloody lanes, but he decided that his erratic driving wich nearly took my front wing out was ok
Few years back when i had my calibra a t0sser decied to chop acros two lanes on a round a bout and shot of at my exit causing me to do an emergency stop. When i beeped the horn at him, he pulled over wanting to fight.
Dont these people ever take a look at themselves, or do they go around in there own little world were they can do no wrong?
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[QUOTE=f1_fan;8342468]Dan,
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
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I personally find that the UK has the best drivers and driving standards out of anywhere I have ever driven. I cannot imagine what you are on to think there is no aggression on the roads in Indonesia have you ever actually been to Jakarta. I think you need your head read.
I worked it out the other day and I have driven what I would call pretty extenesivley in over 20 countries of the world including America, Italy and Indonesia and I can honestly say that nowehere is there the same level of aggression on the roads as here in Britain.
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I personally find that the UK has the best drivers and driving standards out of anywhere I have ever driven. I cannot imagine what you are on to think there is no aggression on the roads in Indonesia have you ever actually been to Jakarta. I think you need your head read.
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Few years back when i had my calibra a t0sser decied to chop acros two lanes on a round a bout and shot of at my exit causing me to do an emergency stop. When i beeped the horn at him, he pulled over wanting to fight.
Dont these people ever take a look at themselves, or do they go around in there own little world were they can do no wrong?
The joy of driving cars you do not care about is that is that whenever a road rage inncident is imminent you are driving the ultimate weapon. I always hear stories of guys getting bats out of car etc, why if you are that bothered start raming people.
Quite a few years ago,a guy jumped out of his car at a junction and ran up to my Escort and banged on the bonnet(denting it),and said he was gonna rip my head off for tailgating him..
He looked serious,so i ran him over.Im sure he will think twice about doing it to anyone again.
And yes,i did get caught.. It was worth the 2 weeks in Risley TBH..
He looked serious,so i ran him over.Im sure he will think twice about doing it to anyone again.
And yes,i did get caught.. It was worth the 2 weeks in Risley TBH..
I would never get out of a car and approach anybody because I know what I would do if it was reversed.
The other day a wagon pulled out in front of me (it usually is
) not hard enough to jump on the brakes but I had to stop as it was a large wagon I naturally blew the horn and flashed the lights 
The wagon driver jumped on the brakes got out and came towards the van (I am in France and the van is RHD) the pregnant wife got very upset as it was her side he was heading for
and of course it was my fault 
I think he realised it was a woman and went back to his wagon before I could even see him.
I rolled back a little so I could go around him if need be.
Now if he made it to the van I would have almost certainly knocked him on to the bonnet/run him over rather than risk an attack on me or the wife.
I have no doubt in my mind I would rather do this than face a knife/gun or whatever.
So you did the right thing give them the and drive off
The other day a wagon pulled out in front of me (it usually is
) not hard enough to jump on the brakes but I had to stop as it was a large wagon I naturally blew the horn and flashed the lights The wagon driver jumped on the brakes got out and came towards the van (I am in France and the van is RHD) the pregnant wife got very upset as it was her side he was heading for
and of course it was my fault I think he realised it was a woman and went back to his wagon before I could even see him.
I rolled back a little so I could go around him if need be.
Now if he made it to the van I would have almost certainly knocked him on to the bonnet/run him over rather than risk an attack on me or the wife.
I have no doubt in my mind I would rather do this than face a knife/gun or whatever.
So you did the right thing give them the
and drive off
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My pal was in the outside lane of a dual carriageway turning right at the tiny'ish raised, sloping walled roundabout. Some bloke was in the inside lane almost level with him and appeared to just come across without looking, forcing my pal to brake. The other bloke turned his body and blew my pal a kiss.
As they both stopped at the roundabout my pal gently nudged the back of this cars car and floored the pedal.
This guy shot up the roundabout wall and his car came to rest stuck on the roundabout with his rear end suspended in the air.
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Similar thing happend to me the other day.
2 lanes of traffic on a 40 mph zone.
We had stopped a lights i was about 5 cars back. I realised i need the left lane, i was in the right. SO i indicated and when the traffic started to move, slowly starting moving into the now clear left lane. I was perhaps going 5 mph.
Some complete twonk bollock, who was in the left lane booted his sh1ty primera as hard as the car would go just to stop me changing lanes.
And the then proceeded to shout and make hand gestures. I just looked at him gobsmacked, and proceeded to wind him up by looking connfused at him and saying pardon cant quite here u.
I mean all i had done was try and change bloody lanes, but he decided that his erratic driving wich nearly took my front wing out was ok
Few years back when i had my calibra a t0sser decied to chop acros two lanes on a round a bout and shot of at my exit causing me to do an emergency stop. When i beeped the horn at him, he pulled over wanting to fight.
Dont these people ever take a look at themselves, or do they go around in there own little world were they can do no wrong?
2 lanes of traffic on a 40 mph zone.
We had stopped a lights i was about 5 cars back. I realised i need the left lane, i was in the right. SO i indicated and when the traffic started to move, slowly starting moving into the now clear left lane. I was perhaps going 5 mph.
Some complete twonk bollock, who was in the left lane booted his sh1ty primera as hard as the car would go just to stop me changing lanes.
And the then proceeded to shout and make hand gestures. I just looked at him gobsmacked, and proceeded to wind him up by looking connfused at him and saying pardon cant quite here u.
I mean all i had done was try and change bloody lanes, but he decided that his erratic driving wich nearly took my front wing out was ok
Few years back when i had my calibra a t0sser decied to chop acros two lanes on a round a bout and shot of at my exit causing me to do an emergency stop. When i beeped the horn at him, he pulled over wanting to fight.
Dont these people ever take a look at themselves, or do they go around in there own little world were they can do no wrong?
Not being sanctimonious as I'm sometimes guilty of this too when I do use the car to get to work. On one crossroads the straight ahead/right turn lane is much faster moving than the left turn (only) lane. Normally I can time it perfectly and snitch in the left turn lane, but some days I lose and have to turn right or go straight on
. I never stop in the right lane with left indicator going though, winding everyone up, to try to push in though. Many regularly do this as they don't accept they lost the gamble (yes you, taxi drivers!!!). This doesn't apply in places new to you of course and these are lack of crystal ball situations - was this town new to you?D
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Where was this in Cardiff Dan? Gabalfa flyover where 3 go to two and may the best man/latest for work win?
Its becoming so much more common - I was on the Gabalfa roundabout a few days ago and a car pulled out on me rather than wait for me to go round. He got a flash of lights - I got people hanging out the car waving fists and shouting wanchor!!! Now what exactly did I do wrong there??? Lots of aggressive idiots out there - just let them get on with it and report them if its really bad.
What does get my blood boiling is getting knocked off my cycle in a bus lane and then called a c**t by the guy that did it. That's the only time I lashed out, much to his regret, but generally as people say a cool head is far less danger, stress and hassle.
D
Its becoming so much more common - I was on the Gabalfa roundabout a few days ago and a car pulled out on me rather than wait for me to go round. He got a flash of lights - I got people hanging out the car waving fists and shouting wanchor!!! Now what exactly did I do wrong there??? Lots of aggressive idiots out there - just let them get on with it and report them if its really bad.
What does get my blood boiling is getting knocked off my cycle in a bus lane and then called a c**t by the guy that did it. That's the only time I lashed out, much to his regret, but generally as people say a cool head is far less danger, stress and hassle.
D
It was about 200 yards past the Aston Martin garage where the road drops donw the hill. In the morning its 2 lanes into town and in the evening its 2 lanes out.
I cant believe how aggressive the raods are becoming.