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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 06:32 PM
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Over a million signed a petition today wanting to stop Trump from having an official state visit.
Because of the 90 day ban ? What a bunch of *****.or perhaps muslims or perhaps both.

Or are they Sun newspaper readers that believed the front page headline that the 90 day ban might affect mo farrah lol.

Or perhaps they listened to the radio and got led to believe it was just an indefinite ban .with no good reason

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And? 16 million people didn't vote to leave the EU...
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That was a bother/not bother to vote occurence.' 63 million haven't bothered in this instance, hardly a revolt by the nation
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Interesting read. Liberalism is dying a slow agonising death....
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/d...-the-atlantic/
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Old Jan 30, 2017 | 11:20 PM
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Some very interesting body language / facial expressions going on here.
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'Watersportsgate' lol
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
Interesting read. Liberalism is dying a slow agonising death....
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/d...-the-atlantic/
Rod Liddle has the BIGGEST chip on his shoulder

he rails against the metropolitan elite

but scratch away the hyperbole he is simply a chippy northerner
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Rod Liddle has the BIGGEST chip on his shoulder

he rails against the metropolitan elite

but scratch away the hyperbole he is simply a chippy northerner

A northerner? His views are therefore worthless! Unfortunately there are many southerners, me included, who largely agree with his 'chippy' views.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 08:06 AM
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A northerner? His views are therefore worthless! Unfortunately there are many southerners, me included, who largely agree with his 'chippy' views.
I'm happy with that too

chippy is as chippy does
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
I'm happy with that too

chippy is as chippy does

Ha ha, what on earth does that mean?
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Rod Liddle has the BIGGEST chip on his shoulder

he rails against the metropolitan elite

but scratch away the hyperbole he is simply a chippy northerner
But he makes a very good point. We have pampered celebs apologising on behalf of the country and making promises that they never keep, from Lily Allen and Bob Geldof promising to take in refugees, A listers promising to leave the US to the ridiculous promise of performing sexual acts for votes. Then we have the madness in the name of political correctness, with the BMA advising not to use the term "pregnant woman" in case if offends intersex and transgender men, "gender neutral" toilets in primary schools so that they're more "inclusive" for the tansgender and non binary, the banning of words and terms used every day in case if offends somebody, and many feel they have to walk on eggshells if they mention "Muslim" in a conversation without fear of being labelled an Islamophobe, xenophobe, racist, etc. It seems many of these snowflake millennials are so very easily offended by anything these days and make a career of protesting at anything that doesn't agree with their ideology and espousing the right to freedom of speech whilst at the same time shutdown those who disagrees with them.

It think people, myself included, have grown tired of the culture of OTT political correctness and the constant wailing of these liberal elites. Whether or not he has a chip on his shoulder or is a Northerner is neither here nor there, but then most who voted Brexit were Northerners.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Rod Liddle has the BIGGEST chip on his shoulder

he rails against the metropolitan elite

but scratch away the hyperbole he is simply a chippy northerner

Born in Kent transplanted to the North...no wonder he has a chip on his shoulder
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
But he makes a very good point. We have pampered celebs apologising on behalf of the country and making promises that they never keep, from Lily Allen and Bob Geldof promising to take in refugees, A listers promising to leave the US to the ridiculous promise of performing sexual acts for votes. Then we have the madness in the name of political correctness, with the BMA advising not to use the term "pregnant woman" in case if offends intersex and transgender men, "gender neutral" toilets in primary schools so that they're more "inclusive" for the tansgender and non binary, the banning of words and terms used every day in case if offends somebody, and many feel they have to walk on eggshells if they mention "Muslim" in a conversation without fear of being labelled an Islamophobe, xenophobe, racist, etc. It seems many of these snowflake millennials are so very easily offended by anything these days and make a career of protesting at anything that doesn't agree with their ideology and espousing the right to freedom of speech whilst at the same time shutdown those who disagrees with them.

It think people, myself included, have grown tired of the culture of OTT political correctness and the constant wailing of these liberal elites. Whether or not he has a chip on his shoulder or is a Northerner is neither here nor there, but then most who voted Brexit were Northerners.
Would you give-up on liberalism because some liberals are stupid? I propose you educate the stupid rather than join them by implying a lurch to the far-right is an antidote to the far-left. Polarisation has been, is being and will be an absolute disaster for the planet.
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
But he makes a very good point. We have pampered celebs apologising on behalf of the country and making promises that they never keep, from Lily Allen and Bob Geldof promising to take in refugees, A listers promising to leave the US to the ridiculous promise of performing sexual acts for votes. Then we have the madness in the name of political correctness, with the BMA advising not to use the term "pregnant woman" in case if offends intersex and transgender men, "gender neutral" toilets in primary schools so that they're more "inclusive" for the tansgender and non binary, the banning of words and terms used every day in case if offends somebody, and many feel they have to walk on eggshells if they mention "Muslim" in a conversation without fear of being labelled an Islamophobe, xenophobe, racist, etc. It seems many of these snowflake millennials are so very easily offended by anything these days and make a career of protesting at anything that doesn't agree with their ideology and espousing the right to freedom of speech whilst at the same time shutdown those who disagrees with them.

It think people, myself included, have grown tired of the culture of OTT political correctness and the constant wailing of these liberal elites. Whether or not he has a chip on his shoulder or is a Northerner is neither here nor there, but then most who voted Brexit were Northerners.
sure he makes some valid points

But I have been making his points on this forum (and elsewhere) for the 10 odd years - he seems late to the party

Free market dogma and privatization - check, I have been laughing at the fact that few people realise hpw much of the UK assets have been sold off - the majority in the last 5 years

The left behind – check, I have been posting about wealth inequality and the appalling social mobility of the UK and the US

I posted about America having the social metrics of Sierra Leone no less – and made the observation that we will inevitably follow where the US tread (the last time we made a pact with the US it did not end well!!!)

The banking elite – check – in fact I made a post over 8 years ago on one of the many banking threads saying that it was clear the Banks had won the argument because no serious attempt at reform was really implemented – May Gove Fox et al leading the charge to resist any attempt to

And just to sit there and blame bob Geldof and the media (presumably with a touch of the Illuminati thrown in) is intellectually bankrupt and above all fvcking lazy

so yeah I get it - in fact I have been getting it for the last 35 years

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Originally Posted by jonc
But he makes a very good point. We have pampered celebs apologising on behalf of the country and making promises that they never keep, from Lily Allen and Bob Geldof promising to take in refugees, A listers promising to leave the US to the ridiculous promise of performing sexual acts for votes. Then we have the madness in the name of political correctness, with the BMA advising not to use the term "pregnant woman" in case if offends intersex and transgender men, "gender neutral" toilets in primary schools so that they're more "inclusive" for the tansgender and non binary, the banning of words and terms used every day in case if offends somebody, and many feel they have to walk on eggshells if they mention "Muslim" in a conversation without fear of being labelled an Islamophobe, xenophobe, racist, etc. It seems many of these snowflake millennials are so very easily offended by anything these days and make a career of protesting at anything that doesn't agree with their ideology and espousing the right to freedom of speech whilst at the same time shutdown those who disagrees with them.

It think people, myself included, have grown tired of the culture of OTT political correctness and the constant wailing of these liberal elites. Whether or not he has a chip on his shoulder or is a Northerner is neither here nor there, but then most who voted Brexit were Northerners.

How would you classify the Welsh?
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
sure he makes some valid points

But I have been making his points on this forum (and elsewhere) for the 10 odd years - he seems late to the party

Free market dogma and privatization - check, I have been laughing at the fact that few people realise hpw much of the UK assets have been sold off - the majority in the last 5 years

The left behind – check, I have been posting about wealth inequality and the appalling social mobility of the UK and the US

I posted about America having the social metrics of Sierra Leone no less – and made the observation that we will inevitably follow where the US tread (the last time we made a pact with the US it did not end well!!!)

The banking elite – check – in fact I made a post over 8 years ago on one of the many banking threads saying that it was clear the Banks had won the argument because no serious attempt at reform was really implemented – May Gove Fox et al leading the charge to resist any attempt to

And just to sit there and blame bob Geldof and the media (presumably with a touch of the Illuminati thrown in) is intellectually bankrupt and above all fvcking lazy
Yep.
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Originally Posted by Paben
How would you classify the Welsh?

Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind
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Old Jan 31, 2017 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
sure he makes some valid points

But I have been making his points on this forum (and elsewhere) for the 10 odd years - he seems late to the party

Free market dogma and privatization - check, I have been laughing at the fact that few people realise hpw much of the UK assets have been sold off - the majority in the last 5 years

The left behind – check, I have been posting about wealth inequality and the appalling social mobility of the UK and the US

I posted about America having the social metrics of Sierra Leone no less – and made the observation that we will inevitably follow where the US tread (the last time we made a pact with the US it did not end well!!!)

The banking elite – check – in fact I made a post over 8 years ago on one of the many banking threads saying that it was clear the Banks had won the argument because no serious attempt at reform was really implemented – May Gove Fox et al leading the charge to resist any attempt to

And just to sit there and blame bob Geldof and the media (presumably with a touch of the Illuminati thrown in) is intellectually bankrupt and above all fvcking lazy

so yeah I get it - in fact I have been getting it for the last 35 years
Well here's a perfect example of the self agrandising liberal which Rodd Liddle writes about. Give credit to yourself for all those views you posted about whilst criticising and shutting down those who disagree with them.
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Yep.
Yep in the same way the liberal elites in Hollywood are equally intellectually bankrupt and lazy in blaming Trump for society's ills for example. Hollywood is rife with sexism and racism, just look at the pay disparity between male and female actors in general or how ethinic minorities are portrayed in films.
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How would you classify the Welsh?
With respect and without causing offence, the Welsh.........
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Originally Posted by jonc
Yep in the same way the liberal elites in Hollywood are equally intellectually bankrupt and lazy in blaming Trump for society's ills for example. Hollywood is rife with sexism and racism, just look at the pay disparity between male and female actors in general or how ethinic minorities are portrayed in films.
Yes, hypocrisy everywhere, Jon, but surely if you recoil at illiberal and incompassionate principles it is absurd to sympathise with the illiberal and incompassionate. It's not a choice between mung bean munchers and the anti-Christ! One can reject both. How I lament the passing of the Third Way in Anglo-American politics!
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Well here's a perfect example of the self agrandising liberal which Rodd Liddle writes about. Give credit to yourself for all those views you posted about whilst criticising and shutting down those who disagree with them.
lol,

ok i will make another prediction

Brexit will be a disaster - but mainly for the people that voted for it (so in a way has an element of natural justice about it)

and ditto Trump


so happy to revist in another 7years

it will be interesting to see who gets the blame
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With respect and without causing offence, the Welsh.........


With respect (exhibiting none) and without causing offence (while actually offending an entire nation). Good going, and JTaylor lives in their midst yet finds it amusing. Better hope the local Taffs don't find out!
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The Empire Strikes back

112,100 and rising (100,000 target met)

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

All a bit silly now.
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@ Paben:

See that little blue sliver in the South - they're my "local Taffs".

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@ Paben:

See that little blue sliver in the South - they're my "local Taffs".


That won't let you off the hook: you were mocking the Welsh in general not how they may have voted. Watch out for the approach of flaming torches!
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With respect (exhibiting none) and without causing offence (while actually offending an entire nation). Good going, and JTaylor lives in their midst yet finds it amusing. Better hope the local Taffs don't find out!
Faux offence and speaking on behalf of an entire nation.....Snowflake alert!
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That won't let you off the hook: you were mocking the Welsh in general not how they may have voted. Watch out for the approach of flaming torches!
Revisionist.
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Revisionist.
lol I used that very term on another forum


we are seeing historical revisionism acted out in real time
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