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Old Jul 1, 2016 | 11:02 PM
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Old Jul 1, 2016 | 11:24 PM
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Mr Taylor, this may bet the pale emperor, or the guy that was never in the Wonder Years?
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is the pale emperor Marilyn Manson ??
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Old Jul 1, 2016 | 11:40 PM
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is the pale emperor Marilyn Manson ??



And this?
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Old Jul 2, 2016 | 12:04 AM
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Marilyn Manson

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Correct. One of my pastor's favourite pieces of art. Weird eh?
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i thought it was prince?
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Correct. One of my pastor's favourite pieces of art. Weird eh?
It's true what they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.
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Old Jul 2, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's true what they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

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Originally Posted by neil-h
It's true what they say, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

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Have to say he makes a very good point. Although that being said, when appreciating a piece of art one often reflects on the motivation of the artist whilst making the piece.

As a side, a lot the behaviour/imagery used by Manson was purely for a stage persona. The man behind that is actually quite normal
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Perhaps the pastor didn't know that the art was produced by a Satanist.

He perhaps does know they by now, therefore, all he has to do is ask for God's forgiveness each time he feels anything great about that art. God will forgive him every time.
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Oh, charge your phone. 7% charge remaining is a disgrace! Get yourself a power bank, they're only cheap these days.
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I'd also like to say that divorcing a product from the author is a liberating thought but the product is a reflection of the author; that's if it's an honest one. Therefore, the author can not be excluded from the product. Specially with a piece of such an endogenous art.
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I find myself in agreement with Swati. I think the Pastor's assertion that one must "divorce the product from the author" is convenient in this instance and wrong. The art is the author, otherwise it's fraudulent, a facsimile.
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Perhaps the pastor didn't know that the art was produced by a Satanist.

He perhaps does know they by now, therefore, all he has to do is ask for God's forgiveness each time he feels anything great about that art. God will forgive him every time.
He did and does. Though Manson isn't a theistic Satanist and that's fairly key. Theistic Satanists are particularly sinister. Literally.
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He did and does. Though Manson isn't a theistic Satanist and that's fairly key. Theistic Satanists are particularly sinister. Literally.
Ok. MM must be a pretend Satanist; kind of metaphorically, I guess.

However, that doesn't cut it. If one likes a Satanist art form, there is an identification with that art form. In my view, accepting that one is merely a human with some Satan and some God in him/her is much more realistic than having to ask for God's forgiveness for something as innocent. One has a right to be somewhat Satanic.
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Originally Posted by Turbohot
Ok. MM must be a pretend Satanist; kind of metaphorically, I guess.
He is a Satanist, just not a theistic Satanist.

However, that doesn't cut it. If one likes a Satanist art form, there is an identification with that art form. In my view, accepting that one is merely a human with some Satan and some God in him/her is much more realistic than having to ask for God's forgiveness for something as innocent. One has a right to be somewhat Satanic.
We're all fallen, but Christ's disciples are commanded to become imitators of Christ and that involves shedding, through prayer and other rites, the old man.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
He is a Satanist, just not a theistic Satanist.
Ok.



We're all fallen, but Christ's disciples are commanded to become imitators of Christ and that involves shedding, through prayer and other rites, the old man.
Ok.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I find myself in agreement with Swati. I think the Pastor's assertion that one must "divorce the product from the author" is convenient in this instance and wrong. The art is the author, otherwise it's fraudulent, a facsimile.
Yes.
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