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20 September 2002, 11:15 PM
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Be warned, there are some real ***** around calling themselves Clifford Installers.
It cost me £150 to get mine reinstalled after a **** company installed mine and made a real pigs ear of it, also screwed up my ICE install (£350 to reinstall).Plus damaging my £32k brand new STi in the process.
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Ask for references and always make sure they are VSIB compliant (not a 100% guarantee tho).
It cost me £150 to get mine reinstalled after a **** company installed mine and made a real pigs ear of it, also screwed up my ICE install (£350 to reinstall).Plus damaging my £32k brand new STi in the process.
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Ask for references and always make sure they are VSIB compliant (not a 100% guarantee tho).
23 September 2002, 10:23 AM
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Be aware - The dealer "Motorguard" advertising in this list of messages is not an authorised Clifford dealer. You pay for what you get - the installs are s... I would have them an alarm on my mates RS turbo so no-way on something decent !!!
Be aware !!
Be aware !!
23 September 2002, 10:32 AM
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Reading the other threads, "Doctor Clifford" is associated with the shower from Motorguard - the NON-AUTHORISED Clifford dealer. Remember there is no come back via Clifford when the alarm system is purchased from these types of "dealers".
23 September 2002, 02:17 PM
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A VSIB approved dealer garentees nothing.
If I was looking to have an alarm installed,I would go by word of mouth and then contact the alarm manufacturer to find out if they are an authorised dealer.
At least then if anything goes wrong you can go direct to the manufacturer who will be interested to hear that a dealer is not installing their products to the required standard and something will be done about it.
I'll tell you a little story.
A few short years ago, I was working for a non VSIB dealer although we were approved dealers for all the manufacturers we sold, installing audio, security, central locking, electric windows, sunroofs and more. We had quite a few customers coming in who had recentley had Clifford alarms fitted by another dealer about 10 miles away. These customers were all asking us to take a look at there alarms to find out why they were playing up or not working. Some of the installations we saw were terrible.
All we could do was show the cars owners what we had found and tell them to go back to the dealer to have the problem/problems sorted. We couldn't touch the alarm because we didn't want to be held responsable.
One day a bloke brought his and his girlfriends cars in to us after paying this dealer to fit Clifford alarms on them both. I checked out 1 while a collegue looked at the other, what we found was disgracful so we decided to call Clifford whos local rep happend to be nearby so Clifford got him to call in on us and take a look at these 2 cars. To cut a long story short, Clifford made the dealer pay us to rip the alarms out, supply new looms and reinstall them. Clifford then stopped the dealer buying and selling Clifford alarms. They went bust soon after that.
If I was looking to have an alarm installed,I would go by word of mouth and then contact the alarm manufacturer to find out if they are an authorised dealer.
At least then if anything goes wrong you can go direct to the manufacturer who will be interested to hear that a dealer is not installing their products to the required standard and something will be done about it.
I'll tell you a little story.
A few short years ago, I was working for a non VSIB dealer although we were approved dealers for all the manufacturers we sold, installing audio, security, central locking, electric windows, sunroofs and more. We had quite a few customers coming in who had recentley had Clifford alarms fitted by another dealer about 10 miles away. These customers were all asking us to take a look at there alarms to find out why they were playing up or not working. Some of the installations we saw were terrible.
All we could do was show the cars owners what we had found and tell them to go back to the dealer to have the problem/problems sorted. We couldn't touch the alarm because we didn't want to be held responsable.
One day a bloke brought his and his girlfriends cars in to us after paying this dealer to fit Clifford alarms on them both. I checked out 1 while a collegue looked at the other, what we found was disgracful so we decided to call Clifford whos local rep happend to be nearby so Clifford got him to call in on us and take a look at these 2 cars. To cut a long story short, Clifford made the dealer pay us to rip the alarms out, supply new looms and reinstall them. Clifford then stopped the dealer buying and selling Clifford alarms. They went bust soon after that.
24 September 2002, 09:50 AM
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just one point. insurers often ask about the fitting of alarms like "was it fitted by an approved installer or vsib certified". so just be aware of that....guess it depends on who insures you and how much emphasis they place on alarms.Usually with a scoob you must have a cat 1 before they will give you a quote.
25 September 2002, 10:43 PM
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So if you know what you are doing - fit it yourself - then you know that a good job has been done..... I know you don't get your certificate, but you can get it checked at a local dealer for a small fee...
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25 September 2002, 11:17 PM
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I had a Clifford Concept 300 fitted by R-Tec a few months ago. When I switch on the microwave oven it sets off the alarm most of the time. Have yet to ask Clifford, can anyone help?
Thanks.
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27 September 2002, 07:02 PM
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re; fastfox 13??
rs tubro?
who are you & if you had a problem with your alarm why have you not contacted me??
clifford dealer! your right we are not clifford dealers or the CITY OF BIRMINGHAM TRACKER DEALER or platinum toad dealers or sigma dealers or auto-watch dealers and wholesalers!
And between the 3 of us we havent got 32 years experence in vehicle security!
In fact we are a CAR WASH no PAINTERS AND DECORATORS
PLICK!
rs tubro?
who are you & if you had a problem with your alarm why have you not contacted me??
clifford dealer! your right we are not clifford dealers or the CITY OF BIRMINGHAM TRACKER DEALER or platinum toad dealers or sigma dealers or auto-watch dealers and wholesalers!
And between the 3 of us we havent got 32 years experence in vehicle security!
In fact we are a CAR WASH no PAINTERS AND DECORATORS
PLICK!
02 October 2002, 02:56 PM
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...one phonecall later. 
Full list of authorised clifford dealers in Birmingham, as of 2 October 2002, 14:45 according to Clifford's helpline (0800 929 949, press 1 for sales)... :
Quicksilvers, Sparkbrook, tel 0121 773 7000
Midland Car Audio, Pershaw Road, tel 0121 459 3131
That's yer lot.
I explicitly asked about Motor Guard, and they've never heard of them and therefore explicitly said that Motor Guard are not authorised Clifford dealers.
Doctor CLIFFORD, If you are authorised, I suggest you contact clifford ASAP and bollock 'em, then explain to us what's happened.
If you're not, suggest you look at your position legally as you could be accused of false advertising, or passing off. Note that I am not accusing you of this, I couldn't really care less but just want to see and end to this name calling.
FWIW, there's not only "ONE GOOD CLIFFORD DEALER". I know of one absolultely superb clifford dealer (step forward maximum impact). And no, I'm not associated in any way with them other than satisfied customer.
Cheers,
Nick.
Full list of authorised clifford dealers in Birmingham, as of 2 October 2002, 14:45 according to Clifford's helpline (0800 929 949, press 1 for sales)... :
Quicksilvers, Sparkbrook, tel 0121 773 7000
Midland Car Audio, Pershaw Road, tel 0121 459 3131
That's yer lot.
I explicitly asked about Motor Guard, and they've never heard of them and therefore explicitly said that Motor Guard are not authorised Clifford dealers.
Doctor CLIFFORD, If you are authorised, I suggest you contact clifford ASAP and bollock 'em, then explain to us what's happened.
If you're not, suggest you look at your position legally as you could be accused of false advertising, or passing off. Note that I am not accusing you of this, I couldn't really care less but just want to see and end to this name calling.
FWIW, there's not only "ONE GOOD CLIFFORD DEALER". I know of one absolultely superb clifford dealer (step forward maximum impact). And no, I'm not associated in any way with them other than satisfied customer.
Cheers,
Nick.
02 October 2002, 07:37 PM
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How many of you people bought your cars from subaru dealers?
If you didnt did they give you a warrenty ?
??????
Did they honour the warrenty?
yes
I have been fitting clifford for 10 years and i am still fitting clifford i employ 3 fitters ! in a new 6 car unit just outside the city center of birmingham
This ether means im ripping of every one who comes through the door or we do it right
Because otherwise i think we might have had a bit of a fire by now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOUR ALL WELCOME TO COME DOWN FOR A CHAT
OTHERWISE GO TO AN AUTHORISED DEALER AND PAY RETAIL PRICES!!
If you didnt did they give you a warrenty ?
??????
Did they honour the warrenty?
yes
I have been fitting clifford for 10 years and i am still fitting clifford i employ 3 fitters ! in a new 6 car unit just outside the city center of birmingham
This ether means im ripping of every one who comes through the door or we do it right
Because otherwise i think we might have had a bit of a fire by now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOUR ALL WELCOME TO COME DOWN FOR A CHAT
OTHERWISE GO TO AN AUTHORISED DEALER AND PAY RETAIL PRICES!!
02 October 2002, 07:52 PM
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OK OK i'll tell you what
iv met DR Clifford at 2 scooby meets now. i will go down and see his place and give you all a feed back of some sort. i'll tell you all if it looks good or dodgy, to the best i can.
From what iv seen of him he seems like a good man.
Better yet Dr Clifford fit me a free alarm and i'll tell everyone if i was good or not
Why dont you become a register delear?
Ray
iv met DR Clifford at 2 scooby meets now. i will go down and see his place and give you all a feed back of some sort. i'll tell you all if it looks good or dodgy, to the best i can.
From what iv seen of him he seems like a good man.
Better yet Dr Clifford fit me a free alarm and i'll tell everyone if i was good or not
Why dont you become a register delear?
Ray
02 October 2002, 10:19 PM
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I Have a small "In Car" business down in Swindon, That was established in 1992. Through dealer trips and having worked for several manufacturers previous I know many people. I have spoken to many people about "Doctor Clifford", out of curiosity alone and all have given the same response. These comments vary from menace at the politest to very rude comments. Are these fair I ask myself, or are these hard working guys just trying to make an honest living guv. Well "Doc", looks like you might of kicked off on the wrong foot here to me. There aint no harm in eating some humble pie and admitting you were wrong in coming out all guns blazing and saying daft things ("motorguard are the only decent Clifford installers"). True you may be able to warranty the Clifford system yourself, but if you're "********" alarms out for silly money you won't be in business in a years time to be in a position to offer ANY warranty. There are always going to be lean times in business and dealers who set out to win business by slaughtering prices in a desperate bid to get customers, will not have enough " meat on the bone" to get them through a difficult period, leaving their naive customers hung drawn and quartered !
02 October 2002, 10:24 PM
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I Have a small "In Car" business down in Swindon, That was established in 1992. Through dealer trips and having worked for several manufacturers previous I know many people. I have spoken to many people about "Doctor Clifford", out of curiosity alone and all have given the same response. These comments vary from menace at the politest to very rude comments. Are these fair I ask myself, or are these hard working guys just trying to make an honest living guv. Well "Doc", looks like you might of kicked off on the wrong foot here to me. There aint no harm in eating some humble pie and admitting you were wrong in coming out all guns blazing and saying daft things ("motorguard are the only decent Clifford installers"). True you may be able to warranty the Clifford system yourself, but if you're "********" alarms out for silly money you won't be in business in a years time to be in a position to offer ANY warranty. There are always going to be lean times in business and dealers who set out to win business by slaughtering prices in a desperate bid to get customers, will not have enough " meat on the bone" to get them through a difficult period, leaving their naive customers hung drawn and quartered !
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
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I Have a small "In Car" business down in Swindon, That was established in 1992. Through dealer trips and having worked for several manufacturers previous I know many people. I have spoken to many people about "Doctor Clifford", out of curiosity alone and all have given the same response. These comments vary from menace at the politest to very rude comments. Are these fair I ask myself, or are these hard working guys just trying to make an honest living guv. Well "Doc", looks like you might of kicked off on the wrong foot here to me. There aint no harm in eating some humble pie and admitting you were wrong in coming out all guns blazing and saying daft things ("motorguard are the only decent Clifford installers"). True you may be able to warranty the Clifford system yourself, but if you're "********" alarms out for silly money you won't be in business in a years time to be in a position to offer ANY warranty. There are always going to be lean times in business and dealers who set out to win business by slaughtering prices in a desperate bid to get customers, will not have enough " meat on the bone" to get them through a difficult period, leaving their naive customers hung drawn and quartered !
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
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I Have a small "In Car" business down in Swindon, That was established in 1992. Through dealer trips and having worked for several manufacturers previous I know many people. I have spoken to many people about "Doctor Clifford", out of curiosity alone and all have given the same response. These comments vary from menace at the politest to very rude comments. Are these fair I ask myself, or are these hard working guys just trying to make an honest living guv. Well "Doc", looks like you might of kicked off on the wrong foot here to me. There aint no harm in eating some humble pie and admitting you were wrong in coming out all guns blazing and saying daft things ("motorguard are the only decent Clifford installers"). True you may be able to warranty the Clifford system yourself, but if you're "********" alarms out for silly money you won't be in business in a years time to be in a position to offer ANY warranty. There are always going to be lean times in business and dealers who set out to win business by slaughtering prices in a desperate bid to get customers, will not have enough " meat on the bone" to get them through a difficult period, leaving their naive customers hung drawn and quartered !
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
You aint been going long "Doc", but nobody likes to see people go down, so concentrate on doing things which are sustainable LONG TERM. Your customers are LONG TERM investments.
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Oh that clears it up then. You're not an authorised dealer, so Clifford won't back your warranty although from what you're saying, you'll back it up through your company. That's fine, that works, as long as everyone knows the score.
Cheers,
Nick.
Cheers,
Nick.
03 October 2002, 02:10 PM
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This thread will now be locked as the confusion has been cleared up, and I am fed up with my inbox being max'ed out with RTM emails! 
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