Remap disaster last night!!!!!
29 May 2013, 10:38 AM
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Remap disaster last night!!!!!
So took my 2007 GB270 wagon in to a reputable subaru specialist yesterday for a remap and got a call this morning saying that whilst on the dyno the engine cut out and now wont start.
Been told the engine turns over but seems to have lost compression. Saying I am pis*ed off is an understatement but what can you do.
Cant understand how a car that has had a FSSH and has only done 57K miles can have an issue like this. Worst thing about it is the car was serviced by the same garage just 2K miles ago. Now dont get me wrong I am in no way saying the garage is at fault but I am just frustrated and wanted to vent a little.
Anyone else have this happen to them before and what do you think could of caused this. I am so dreading the thought of having to pay £3-4K for a engine rebuild.
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Been told the engine turns over but seems to have lost compression. Saying I am pis*ed off is an understatement but what can you do.
Cant understand how a car that has had a FSSH and has only done 57K miles can have an issue like this. Worst thing about it is the car was serviced by the same garage just 2K miles ago. Now dont get me wrong I am in no way saying the garage is at fault but I am just frustrated and wanted to vent a little.
Anyone else have this happen to them before and what do you think could of caused this. I am so dreading the thought of having to pay £3-4K for a engine rebuild.
BR
29 May 2013, 11:09 AM
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garage said the motor is turning over and the oil and coolant levels are spot on so they just as baffled as I am.
29 May 2013, 11:10 AM
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Lets hope said specialist help you to investigate the problem and get the problem sorted.
I am sure a "gesture of good will" would be very helpful to you
Hope you get it sorted out.
I am sure a "gesture of good will" would be very helpful to you
Hope you get it sorted out.
29 May 2013, 11:29 AM
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not sure on the gb270 pistons,
but from what im aware, the rings are an issue, in standard form ive been told they will take around 350bhp, the issue is when they lean out, get hot they dont like it.
hopefully its just a case of a piston going down,
then you can go down the route i nearly did:
mahale pistons £500
cossie head gasket £150
headbolts £150
clutch £225
bore and hone ???
plus labour for engine in and out, that setup will do 400bhp with supporting turbo,
see what they say, compresion and leak down tests needed ideally as were all just guessing at the moment
but from what im aware, the rings are an issue, in standard form ive been told they will take around 350bhp, the issue is when they lean out, get hot they dont like it.
hopefully its just a case of a piston going down,
then you can go down the route i nearly did:
mahale pistons £500
cossie head gasket £150
headbolts £150
clutch £225
bore and hone ???
plus labour for engine in and out, that setup will do 400bhp with supporting turbo,
see what they say, compresion and leak down tests needed ideally as were all just guessing at the moment
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29 May 2013, 11:29 AM
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This is the chance you take with a remap, if it goes pair shaped then you have no come back and yes whilst it seems unfair you are pushing more power out of the engine, and 2.5's are known for not being the most reliable unit Subaru ever made (even if it is a wrx).
The best thing the op should have had done is a full health check before the map was done to see if there were any underlying issues, that isn't up to the people who map the car, that is down to the owner.
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29 May 2013, 11:42 AM
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But what saying that the remap(could be over or under fueing all we know) has caused the engine to go? The tuner should have a duty of care to make sure the car is safe before hand to be remapped.
Did the engine go wrong before or after the map.
Did the engine go wrong before or after the map.
29 May 2013, 11:45 AM
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Why a gesture of good will?
This is the chance you take with a remap, if it goes pair shaped then you have no come back and yes whilst it seems unfair you are pushing more power out of the engine, and 2.5's are known for not being the most reliable unit Subaru ever made (even if it is a wrx).
The best thing the op should have had done is a full health check before the map was done to see if there were any underlying issues, that isn't up to the people who map the car, that is down to the owner.
Tony
This is the chance you take with a remap, if it goes pair shaped then you have no come back and yes whilst it seems unfair you are pushing more power out of the engine, and 2.5's are known for not being the most reliable unit Subaru ever made (even if it is a wrx).
The best thing the op should have had done is a full health check before the map was done to see if there were any underlying issues, that isn't up to the people who map the car, that is down to the owner.
Tony
If I was doing some work for someone and it went wrong I would certainly do all I could to help.
Even if the OP gets help with the diagnostics that would be a big help at this stage.
29 May 2013, 12:01 PM
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Agreed that it is done at your own risk and you have to deal with the consequences should something go wrong.
If I was doing some work for someone and it went wrong I would certainly do all I could to help.
Even if the OP gets help with the diagnostics that would be a big help at this stage.
If I was doing some work for someone and it went wrong I would certainly do all I could to help.
Even if the OP gets help with the diagnostics that would be a big help at this stage.
I guess these things just happen and I am sure that if the extent of the damage is costly the garage and myself would come to some sort of an agreement considering what's happend. Worst case scenario I take full responsbility for the damages but like I said these guys arent a mickey mouse organization and would be very suprised if they dont help out in some form.
I will keep you all posted as they doing the diagnosis tomorrow.
29 May 2013, 12:33 PM
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Have they done a proper compression check?
I also have a 2.5 WRX with 53k miles, the other day I lost all power in the outside lane of the M4. No dramatics, no smoke/noise/oil etc just cut out.
Turns out the fuel pump just give up the ghost, similar symptoms to yours would turn over and wouldn't start - obviously as the fuel pump was shagged!!
Anyway, put a Roger Clark Motorsports fuel pump on there and everything now fine.
You never know?
I also have a 2.5 WRX with 53k miles, the other day I lost all power in the outside lane of the M4. No dramatics, no smoke/noise/oil etc just cut out.
Turns out the fuel pump just give up the ghost, similar symptoms to yours would turn over and wouldn't start - obviously as the fuel pump was shagged!!
Anyway, put a Roger Clark Motorsports fuel pump on there and everything now fine.
You never know?
29 May 2013, 12:38 PM
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Have they done a proper compression check?
I also have a 2.5 WRX with 53k miles, the other day I lost all power in the outside lane of the M4. No dramatics, no smoke/noise/oil etc just cut out.
Turns out the fuel pump just give up the ghost, similar symptoms to yours would turn over and wouldn't start - obviously as the fuel pump was shagged!!
Anyway, put a Roger Clark Motorsports fuel pump on there and everything now fine.
You never know?
I also have a 2.5 WRX with 53k miles, the other day I lost all power in the outside lane of the M4. No dramatics, no smoke/noise/oil etc just cut out.
Turns out the fuel pump just give up the ghost, similar symptoms to yours would turn over and wouldn't start - obviously as the fuel pump was shagged!!
Anyway, put a Roger Clark Motorsports fuel pump on there and everything now fine.
You never know?
Anyway sorry to hear the bad news and hope it get fixed without too much trouble.
29 May 2013, 12:50 PM
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Suspect it might be the cambelt that has gone but they just dont know until they look at it tomorrow. They maxed out today on other customers cars so will find out tomorrow I guess. Could be anything at the moment
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29 May 2013, 12:53 PM
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As for the Dyno issues from the OP:
It seems too coincidental that last month the car didn't make as much power on Dyno as expected, and now it gives in.
They really need to compression and leak down test to see if its the dreaded 2.5 ring landing failure... Hopefully it's just electrical (e.g. Pump, or worse case a bricked ECU - in which case it's the garage's fault anyway), as that'll be much cheaper to fix!
Fingers crossed for you pal.
29 May 2013, 12:54 PM
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yeah i can when i turn ignition on but stand outside the door. But not repeatedly, ie you cant turn on/off over and over to keep hearing it. I have always noticed these things since had to replace one on my old R32, which it turns out does it every time the drivers door is opened.
29 May 2013, 01:31 PM
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You can hear it in the hawks. Well, I can hear mine at least.
As for the Dyno issues from the OP:
It seems too coincidental that last month the car didn't make as much power on Dyno as expected, and now it gives in.
They really need to compression and leak down test to see if its the dreaded 2.5 ring landing failure... Hopefully it's just electrical (e.g. Pump, or worse case a bricked ECU - in which case it's the garage's fault anyway), as that'll be much cheaper to fix!
Fingers crossed for you pal.
As for the Dyno issues from the OP:
It seems too coincidental that last month the car didn't make as much power on Dyno as expected, and now it gives in.
They really need to compression and leak down test to see if its the dreaded 2.5 ring landing failure... Hopefully it's just electrical (e.g. Pump, or worse case a bricked ECU - in which case it's the garage's fault anyway), as that'll be much cheaper to fix!
Fingers crossed for you pal.
29 May 2013, 03:02 PM
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The car should still start even if it has cracked a piston. I will just run lumpy ans belch out smoke possibly causing more damage, but it should still start. Mine ran with 2 cracked pistons.
did you actually do a proper compression test or just assume its low compression? I would be thinking along the lines of no fuel getting through for what ever reason or no spark. It could be a component failure like the pump or they may have altered something or switched something off while mapping.
did you actually do a proper compression test or just assume its low compression? I would be thinking along the lines of no fuel getting through for what ever reason or no spark. It could be a component failure like the pump or they may have altered something or switched something off while mapping.
29 May 2013, 03:10 PM
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The car should still start even if it has cracked a piston. I will just run lumpy ans belch out smoke possibly causing more damage, but it should still start. Mine ran with 2 cracked pistons.
did you actually do a proper compression test or just assume its low compression? I would be thinking along the lines of no fuel getting through for what ever reason or no spark. It could be a component failure like the pump or they may have altered something or switched something off while mapping.
did you actually do a proper compression test or just assume its low compression? I would be thinking along the lines of no fuel getting through for what ever reason or no spark. It could be a component failure like the pump or they may have altered something or switched something off while mapping.
They going to do this diagnosis tomorrow to assess the cause. The car has been with the specialist since yesterday morning and I have not seen it yet.
Awaiting their call tomorrow.
