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05 January 2013, 11:46 AM
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Cosworth CS400
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05 January 2013, 12:20 PM
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No. 54 in silver, 2012 belongs to me. It has two homes in Lancashire and Warwickshire.
No. 1 is owned by Andy Edmiston at IM group. I'm terrible with car colours and can't recall what colour it is!
No. 8 in black at Mangoletsi Subaru
No.10 in black at Eaglesham Subaru
There were actually 77 cars.
Prototype P-01 was silver but written off testing by the motoring press (or so I am led to believe).
Prototype P-02 is privately owned on the Isle of Man, in black. This car was the one that showed a clean pair of heels to a Nissan GTr and Lexus LS-F at Cholmondeley in 2011.
As far as I am aware there is still one car that has not been sold - the garage in question want that price for it and would not budge when I enquired back in September. I gather twelve cars are abroad, I know one is in Italy.
I'll get some numbers on other cars out there
No. 1 is owned by Andy Edmiston at IM group. I'm terrible with car colours and can't recall what colour it is!
No. 8 in black at Mangoletsi Subaru
No.10 in black at Eaglesham Subaru
There were actually 77 cars.
Prototype P-01 was silver but written off testing by the motoring press (or so I am led to believe).
Prototype P-02 is privately owned on the Isle of Man, in black. This car was the one that showed a clean pair of heels to a Nissan GTr and Lexus LS-F at Cholmondeley in 2011.
As far as I am aware there is still one car that has not been sold - the garage in question want that price for it and would not budge when I enquired back in September. I gather twelve cars are abroad, I know one is in Italy.
I'll get some numbers on other cars out there
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Said car was driven by a rally driver, the others were not, so it was down to the fact the others were amatures and the rally driver wasnt (note one Mark Higgins who then did the run round the Isle Of Man course).
Not really a fair comparison, now put the cosworth on the Nurburgring and see what it can do, different matter (as that record was set by Tommy Makinen
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05 January 2013, 01:24 PM
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I've done some homework on this Cosworth blowing up and it would appear that it either didn't happen or has been kept very quiet. If my Cosworth blew an engine I'd be posting about it on every forum known to man even though JDM snobs like you would take great pleasure giving me a very hard time about it.
I've never been able to find any mention of it happening and none of the dealers and specialists I've spoken to in Cheshire are aware of a Cosworth dropping an engine - but can tell me that 330s and Type UKs have.
The highest mileage Cosworth is the surviving press car that was thrashed for 28,000 miles including Motorsport events and is still running strong. She pulls like a train!
But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
I've never been able to find any mention of it happening and none of the dealers and specialists I've spoken to in Cheshire are aware of a Cosworth dropping an engine - but can tell me that 330s and Type UKs have.
The highest mileage Cosworth is the surviving press car that was thrashed for 28,000 miles including Motorsport events and is still running strong. She pulls like a train!
But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
05 January 2013, 01:26 PM
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I've done some homework on this Cosworth blowing up and it would appear that it either didn't happen or has been kept very quiet. If my Cosworth blew an engine I'd be posting about it on every forum known to man even though JDM snobs like you would take great pleasure giving me a very hard time about it.
I've never been able to find any mention of it happening and none of the dealers and specialists I've spoken to in Cheshire are aware of a Cosworth dropping an engine - but can tell me that 330s and Type UKs have.
The highest mileage Cosworth is the surviving press car that was thrashed for 28,000 miles including Motorsport events and is still running strong. She pulls like a train!
But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
I've never been able to find any mention of it happening and none of the dealers and specialists I've spoken to in Cheshire are aware of a Cosworth dropping an engine - but can tell me that 330s and Type UKs have.
The highest mileage Cosworth is the surviving press car that was thrashed for 28,000 miles including Motorsport events and is still running strong. She pulls like a train!
But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
You dont have the same sources ive got then
and yes, one did let go with less than 2k on the clock, and yes they want to keep it quiet (and you wonder why they reduced the mileage on the warranty from 60k to 36k? )And yes i can see you are jealous of us JDM owners, should have gotten one instead of a cosworth
Tony
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05 January 2013, 01:34 PM
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I have no doubt that with over 400bhp a stock Cosworth would go round the ring faster than 7.55 in the hands of professional drivers. Until someone takes one over there and does that on a clear dry track it's going to be very much a matter of opinion. I'm pretty sure if one was to fiddle with those adjustable dampers and put more aggressive tyres on it (not the comfort option PS3s) it'd be quicker still.
The one Tommi drove round the Nurburgring was a modified version wthat dry aggressive tyres that is reasonably similar to the S206, but with a more aggressive setup. I think the RA-R did it in 7.58 ten years ago so I would hardly call a three second improvement a massive advance. It's underpowered and there is no substitute sometimes for raw power.
The one Tommi drove round the Nurburgring was a modified version wthat dry aggressive tyres that is reasonably similar to the S206, but with a more aggressive setup. I think the RA-R did it in 7.58 ten years ago so I would hardly call a three second improvement a massive advance. It's underpowered and there is no substitute sometimes for raw power.
05 January 2013, 01:42 PM
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Really?
You dont have the same sources ive got then and yes, one did let go with less than 2k on the clock, and yes they want to keep it quiet (and you wonder why they reduced the mileage on the warranty from 60k to 36k? )
And yes i can see you are jealous of us JDM owners, should have gotten one instead of a cosworth
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You dont have the same sources ive got then
and yes, one did let go with less than 2k on the clock, and yes they want to keep it quiet (and you wonder why they reduced the mileage on the warranty from 60k to 36k? )And yes i can see you are jealous of us JDM owners, should have gotten one instead of a cosworth
Tony
As for engines, I'll take your word for it and try to find out more about it. I have an email from Cosworth telling me that they are not aware of any failures of the CS400 short block configuration as late as October of last year.
However I am aware of a spec C hatch that let go its head gaskets here in the UK last year and was rebuilt in Leicestershire. It's going to happen with high performance engines as I found out with a 997 911
05 January 2013, 01:43 PM
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The first one to break the 8 minute mark was the protype for the MY05 Spec C RA, that did the lap in 7.59 (standing start) so its pretty quick, the road car used exactly the same setup, same as the TM tested car, that would include the Bridgestone RE070 tyres and STI suspension (same map, no added power).
Not quite the driest track but here is the vid anyway
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Not quite the driest track but here is the vid anyway
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05 January 2013, 02:18 PM
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Well thats not the full story though is it?
Said car was driven by a rally driver, the others were not, so it was down to the fact the others were amatures and the rally driver wasnt (note one Mark Higgins who then did the run round the Isle Of Man course).
Not really a fair comparison, now put the cosworth on the Nurburgring and see what it can do, different matter (as that record was set by Tommy Makinen)
Tony
Said car was driven by a rally driver, the others were not, so it was down to the fact the others were amatures and the rally driver wasnt (note one Mark Higgins who then did the run round the Isle Of Man course).
Not really a fair comparison, now put the cosworth on the Nurburgring and see what it can do, different matter (as that record was set by Tommy Makinen
)Tony
There were a lot of professional drivers there and plenty with pedigree around Mark Higgins ability though few better.
Justin Law who was a professional driver recently in the FIA GT championship was significantly slower than the Cosworth in a Lancia Delta WRC car (and an RS500).
The LFA was driven by a professional racing driver who used to race in the Porsche GT series and is a professional instructor in several classes.
The lass that marginally won in the Lamborghini is also an experienced professional driver in competition racing.
I can't say I've heard of some of the others in the other cars but it was hardly a field of Sunday drivers Mark was racing against. That Cosworth is a very quick car!
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Yes got a bit off topic but I'm not going to have our cars bashed by the JDM junkies and put up with that.
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I think you should look at some of the discussions on the CS400 before you think you are being bashed by the JDM crowd, and the fact that Prodrive wanted to produce something similar (note better) for less money (but I.M. wouldnt let them) 2 years earlier (also note the Cosworth is a 2009 model year?), its the fact that the CS400 is nowhere near as good as it should have been to start with (note the test drive of the evo 9 400 on top gear and the similarities in power delivery).
Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money
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Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money
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05 January 2013, 03:54 PM
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I think you should look at some of the discussions on the CS400 before you think you are being bashed by the JDM crowd, and the fact that Prodrive wanted to produce something similar (note better) for less money (but I.M. wouldnt let them) 2 years earlier (also note the Cosworth is a 2009 model year?), its the fact that the CS400 is nowhere near as good as it should have been to start with (note the test drive of the evo 9 400 on top gear and the similarities in power delivery).
Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money)
Tony
Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money
)Tony
05 January 2013, 04:40 PM
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I think you should look at some of the discussions on the CS400 before you think you are being bashed by the JDM crowd, and the fact that Prodrive wanted to produce something similar (note better) for less money (but I.M. wouldnt let them) 2 years earlier (also note the Cosworth is a 2009 model year?), its the fact that the CS400 is nowhere near as good as it should have been to start with (note the test drive of the evo 9 400 on top gear and the similarities in power delivery).
Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money)
Tony
Its not having a go at you, but this is really not one of I.M's best efforts (especially for the money
)Tony
I've only got one pic of my car the day after I picked it up before I realised IM had forgotten to fit the front spoiler before sending it out... she's filthy at the moment so will get her cleaned up and have a shoot soon
Agreed in parts Tony but as I have said before, the Cosworth has been designed to be a fast road car and is as a result a comfortable place to be - far more comfortable than any other Impreza I've been in. If this had a VW or BMW badge on the front it'd win every award going.
Most of the criticisms have been that the Cosworth is too soft. It is soft especially if you step into it straight after driving a Blobeye as I did when I picked it up. But my Cosworth would annihilate my old Blobeye in every area. I agree it doesn't feel as sharp as some of the other models out there in stock form but in the same way none of them have as much raw power. But with a few choice mods can create the car you want either way. In fact you could just lower it a bit with a spanner and you'd have something much more aggressive.
Subarus are very much cars for tuners hence the reason I'm stiffening mine up a bit, I'm hardly going mental but I'm having a fair bit of my work done by the excellent dealer I bought the car from in Cheshire. The top mounts and front brace I fitted myself (anyone else get covered in bruises working on their own cars by the way?) have already transformed the steering feel, as has lowering the adjustable dampers a little. If you want something with 400bhp and a stiff setup you're going to have to do some work regardless of whether or not you buy UK or JDM and what you end up with will be better or worse according to owners preferences and opinions.
If we're going on press reviews then the JDM brigade should have a look at what the motoring press here and abroad has been saying for the last three years about Evos and Subarus both JDM and UK. I completely disagree with them I'd rather have a Cosworth or R205 than any overpriced German configuration. Unfortunately the four wheel drive rally-breds not in vogue at the moment (probably due to the decline of the sport) yet one of the dullest cars I've ever driven is seen as the current benchmark for performance and enjoyment. The car buying public these days is not interested in driving a car that requires heavy maintenance or a lot of work to get the performance out of it. Just look at Imy's Pistonheads advert to see how people absolutely slated the R205 without any idea of what it is.
06 January 2013, 08:46 AM
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Press car 1 let go a few days before Evo were going to review it against my R205.
As far as am aware there were never 75 cars due to lack of demand I am pretty sure you will struggle to fill the register for 30 cars which makes it better for you.
Subaru UK/Cosworth tried to sell the unwanted stock to other righthand drive countries, including Malaysia, but they declined as Cosworth wouldn't warrant the engines not even for a year.
Funny enough I went for a spirited drive yesterday and forgot why I wasn't impressed by the CS400 so decided to pop in to Subaru Mangoletsi and drive No 8.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
Heres some pics
As far as am aware there were never 75 cars due to lack of demand I am pretty sure you will struggle to fill the register for 30 cars which makes it better for you.
Subaru UK/Cosworth tried to sell the unwanted stock to other righthand drive countries, including Malaysia, but they declined as Cosworth wouldn't warrant the engines not even for a year.
Funny enough I went for a spirited drive yesterday and forgot why I wasn't impressed by the CS400 so decided to pop in to Subaru Mangoletsi and drive No 8.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
Heres some pics
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