Cosworth CS400
06 January 2013, 11:23 AM
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Funny enough I went for a spirited drive yesterday and forgot why I wasn't impressed by the CS400 so decided to pop in to Subaru Mangoletsi and drive No 8.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
I agree with most of your assessment to be honest, especially as you're keen on a much harder setup. I have to say the brakes on mine from new have felt very crisp but I am putting a set of APs on the rear too as I think keeping stock Brembos there is a bit lazy. The default setup prefers pretty soft pads which is also I think why a lot of people think the Pro-R Alcon upgrade feels a bit lifeless and they're pretty awesome systems too.
It is a car that'll murder an A road but is definitely much softer than an R205. It is definitely a much more agile car than my Blobeye but I feel compared to the JDM Spec-C variants that most of it is down to the bolt-on stiffness parts and the damper settings (both have modified Bilsteins). I'm using the R205 as a rough marker point for the direction I want to take mine in
The steering on the R205 has better feel from what I can recall and much more weight to it. The default feel of most stock Subarus JDM and UK (spec C variants aside) is pretty horrible as far as I'm concerned.As for speed and acceleration I would imagine a 400bhp R205 is quicker off the mark and easier to get moving in a hurry, with broadly similar in gear and top end due to the faster spool and more linear power delivery.
06 January 2013, 11:31 AM
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Number 1 is red - that's Andys from IM and they loaned it to me to drive before I bought mine (least I'm 99pc sure it was number 1!!)
Mine is number 75 and is silver.
I love it.....awesome car.
Mine is number 75 and is silver.
I love it.....awesome car.
06 January 2013, 12:57 PM
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Galaxy I dont think there is much in it tbh honest in a straight line can't see my R205 being any quicker. Would be great to get a cossie owner view on a back to back drive.I disagree that a cossie would only murder super cars on A/B roads I would imagine the cossie is capable on track am pretty sure it'll eat most super cars.
My ideal review would be a GTRMY11/MY12 as the benchmark EXO 10 FQ400, CS400, RS3 and perhaps the R205 or even an S206 NBR if there was one available.
I am doing Oulton park in a few a few weeks in you fancy it!
My ideal review would be a GTRMY11/MY12 as the benchmark EXO 10 FQ400, CS400, RS3 and perhaps the R205 or even an S206 NBR if there was one available.
I am doing Oulton park in a few a few weeks in you fancy it!
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06 January 2013, 05:55 PM
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06 January 2013, 06:45 PM
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That's not Andy's car, that's the first prototype press car that was written off on test. Putting two and two together that's also the car that let its engine go before it was going to be put head to head against Imy's R205.
Andy definitely has number one and it would appear to be red...
Andy definitely has number one and it would appear to be red...
06 January 2013, 08:21 PM
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Its even better now Tubby full Monster graphics,stick on roof vent,pink mudflaps,green neon undercar lighting and a dump valve so big I had to drill a hole in the bonnet.Oh and flock wallpaper on the dashboard.
06 January 2013, 09:30 PM
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I've done some homework on this Cosworth blowing up and it would appear that it either didn't happen or has been kept very quiet. If my Cosworth blew an engine I'd be posting about it on every forum known to man even though JDM snobs like you would take great pleasure giving me a very hard time about it.
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But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
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But it doesn't matter of course, they're all going to blow up because they don't have a nitrided crank balanced using a Japanese man's ***** on top of Mount Fuji and are only slightly quicker on a quarter mile than a super stripped out ten year old tin can.
Methinks you protest too much
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06 January 2013, 10:00 PM
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P01 was pre production - as others have said, was used for press stuff - I seem to recall seei g shots of p01 in the magazines - always thought it was not a great idea to have pre production cars used for the press ...
07 January 2013, 05:33 PM
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Press car 1 let go a few days before Evo were going to review it against my R205.
As far as am aware there were never 75 cars due to lack of demand I am pretty sure you will struggle to fill the register for 30 cars which makes it better for you.
Subaru UK/Cosworth tried to sell the unwanted stock to other righthand drive countries, including Malaysia, but they declined as Cosworth wouldn't warrant the engines not even for a year.
Funny enough I went for a spirited drive yesterday and forgot why I wasn't impressed by the CS400 so decided to pop in to Subaru Mangoletsi and drive No 8.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
Heres some pics
As far as am aware there were never 75 cars due to lack of demand I am pretty sure you will struggle to fill the register for 30 cars which makes it better for you.
Subaru UK/Cosworth tried to sell the unwanted stock to other righthand drive countries, including Malaysia, but they declined as Cosworth wouldn't warrant the engines not even for a year.
Funny enough I went for a spirited drive yesterday and forgot why I wasn't impressed by the CS400 so decided to pop in to Subaru Mangoletsi and drive No 8.
The 2.5 engine was lazier and just didn't have the same crisp response as the 2.0 ltwinscroll setup on my R205. And the brakes are pathetic you can't even tell you have AP's which is ODD as I know AP's are sh't hot however I have had the 362mm frnt and 330m back setup on my Spec c RA. The brakes can be sorted with some nice pads and the handling was great however the set up again is different to the R205. It's more suited to UK roads and A roads. When the power does come in it's strong however up top in the rev range and did feel slightly quicker than the R205 however I would imagine that being down to the torque curve.
Heres some pics
07 January 2013, 11:17 PM
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Haggle and you could probably get it into the 20s. 8k miles is not far after the first scheduled service the car has barely been run in. Some of those Cosworths are going for a song at the moment, I think there are seven for sale at the moment.
Got to say those cars look awesome next to each other, shame about the Focus RS in the background spoiling it
Got to say those cars look awesome next to each other, shame about the Focus RS in the background spoiling it
08 January 2013, 04:44 AM
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Haggle and you could probably get it into the 20s. 8k miles is not far after the first scheduled service the car has barely been run in. Some of those Cosworths are going for a song at the moment, I think there are seven for sale at the moment.
Got to say those cars look awesome next to each other, shame about the Focus RS in the background spoiling it
Got to say those cars look awesome next to each other, shame about the Focus RS in the background spoiling it
08 January 2013, 02:32 PM
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The first one to break the 8 minute mark was the protype for the MY05 Spec C RA, that did the lap in 7.59 (standing start) so its pretty quick, the road car used exactly the same setup, same as the TM tested car, that would include the Bridgestone RE070 tyres and STI suspension (same map, no added power).
Not quite the driest track but here is the vid anyway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2To_5XjIaMk
Tony
Not quite the driest track but here is the vid anyway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2To_5XjIaMk
Tony
08 January 2013, 07:24 PM
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I would be surprised if a price around 30-flat couldn't be agreed maybe just under. Walk in with a deposit or decent trade in toward the end of this month and I reckon that car would go for a song!
If anyone wants to know how desperate dealers are to sell, ask Unity in Peterborough to give you a price for theirs brand new and then ask them with no messing around the lowest price they'll do you. That car is approaching one year since registration and they want to shift it!
A similar 8000 mile old version went in Newcastle a couple of months ago afaik for £30k flat. It's not far off two years old and has approaching 10k on the clock... and hot Imprezas just aren't in vogue at the moment.
If anyone wants to know how desperate dealers are to sell, ask Unity in Peterborough to give you a price for theirs brand new and then ask them with no messing around the lowest price they'll do you. That car is approaching one year since registration and they want to shift it!
A similar 8000 mile old version went in Newcastle a couple of months ago afaik for £30k flat. It's not far off two years old and has approaching 10k on the clock... and hot Imprezas just aren't in vogue at the moment.
10 January 2013, 10:23 AM
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Corrections and actual facts
Right, there is a lot of guessing going on here about what cars were made when and how many etc etc so against my better judgement I thought I should set the facts out.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
10 January 2013, 04:17 PM
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Right, there is a lot of guessing going on here about what cars were made when and how many etc etc so against my better judgement I thought I should set the facts out.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
any pics o this white P-000?
10 January 2013, 05:19 PM
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Right, there is a lot of guessing going on here about what cars were made when and how many etc etc so against my better judgement I thought I should set the facts out.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
These are the cars that were built:
1 x pre production dev '00' car assigned P-001 in dark grey (black) this car completed 20k+ development miles at Cosworth before being handed over to IM to become a show/press car. Reg "OCL"
2 x FULL production press cars assigned P-01 and P-02 built for IM before any of the customer cars were built. Neither press car has had a complete engine failure although being press cars they have had a few smaller issues. To my knowledge neither have been written off. It was these 2 cars that were used for all the magazine testing and Top Gear filming etc
75 x production customer cars assigned 1-75. Obvioulsy some of you know which ones these are as you own them
Finally there is one more car which very few know about and that is the white "000" car kept by Cosworth which is the original concept car running 500BHP assigned "P-000". This is now owned by the engine builder who built the CS400 engines.
I hope this clears things up a bit.
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Regarding pictures I will speak with my engine builder and see if he is happy to put some up. Please understand that will be his choice.
Regarding updates - we are working on bringing some updates to the car through the official dealer network. This will be done in partnership with a well known dealer franchise in Warwickshire and will be available later in the year.
Cheers