Dealing with idiots,,
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Hey all i've had big end faliure so have been looking for a engine, This is my dealing today with a fellow. I couldnt belive his attitude, have a read and tell me if i was being unreasonable!
I get this phone number of a fellow off the net, he says his mate has an engine give him a ring. So i bell the dude, I'm told it's out of a 94 wrex 60,000 klm that has had a rear end shunt and he wants a grand for engine with everything on it (turbo, etc.) Fine i think, i could sell the box and turbo on and make some money back whilst keeping my engine to see what the damage is. (after all could be minimal) He lets me down with drop off day so i offer to go collect it, he declines saying no i'll drop it tomorrow. The lad finally turns up today with engine in back, beforehand i have spoken to my mechanic who is very wary and states that he can only do a visual check and make sure it turns.
I'm starting to worry that maybe instead of giving this fellow my £1000 cash i should give him £500 cash and £500 check post dated till wednesday to make sure that the engine is right, after all i'm buying an engine blindfolded really!
So we get the engine out of the van do a quick check and all seems fine though it looks like it's been dragged through a field. Then I ask lad who's engine it's claimed it is what i'd like to do, he's fine with it and says he understands. The other fellow driving had a right strop on. Immediately responds to the other lad "sack this you sort it" and went and sat in the van.
As we were exchanging details i produced my passport to prove whom i was and a utility bill to show i lived where i said. We agreed that it was to cover my back as it was a major risk and i didn't have anything that proved whom or where they were.
This lad in the van was getting more and more annoyed. He got out of the van and started going on, stating what if the check bounces? i replied well what if the engine is stolen or knackerd? well if you had of told me it was going to be half and half i would of made you pick it up, i've been pi55ing about all day for you yadda yadda yadda.. I stress that the check won't bounce or be cancelled should the engine be ok and that i had offerd to pick it up but whomever i spoke to had declined.
Things were getting quite heated at this point and he got back in the van ready for off just as he was about to pull out of the drive he stops. me and my mechanic were just like stunned at his attitude and just how much of a prat this lad was. He then gets out of the van again and demands my mechanics address which my mechanic asks what do you need my address for it's nothing to do with me i just work on the car? It's to do with your mate and him (me)
He then has a complete paddy like a little boy and says right forget it and tells his mate (whom is supposed to own the engine) to give me the money back and proceeds to get in the van wheelspinning it back up the drive and fling's the engine back in the van! I'm just stunned by the arrogance and immaturity of this lad and ask him to calm down and stop being stupid. No just forget it if you want the engine come up with the cash and wheelspins off down the road?!?!?!
I have never met such a ars3 in my life, was i in the wrong to want to guard my money? If the engine had been knackerd at least i'd of had the gearbox and turbo to sell on to make my money back.
Needless to say i have changed my mind and am now going for a recon engine at least that has a guarantee!
[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 6:23:39 PM]
I get this phone number of a fellow off the net, he says his mate has an engine give him a ring. So i bell the dude, I'm told it's out of a 94 wrex 60,000 klm that has had a rear end shunt and he wants a grand for engine with everything on it (turbo, etc.) Fine i think, i could sell the box and turbo on and make some money back whilst keeping my engine to see what the damage is. (after all could be minimal) He lets me down with drop off day so i offer to go collect it, he declines saying no i'll drop it tomorrow. The lad finally turns up today with engine in back, beforehand i have spoken to my mechanic who is very wary and states that he can only do a visual check and make sure it turns.
I'm starting to worry that maybe instead of giving this fellow my £1000 cash i should give him £500 cash and £500 check post dated till wednesday to make sure that the engine is right, after all i'm buying an engine blindfolded really!
So we get the engine out of the van do a quick check and all seems fine though it looks like it's been dragged through a field. Then I ask lad who's engine it's claimed it is what i'd like to do, he's fine with it and says he understands. The other fellow driving had a right strop on. Immediately responds to the other lad "sack this you sort it" and went and sat in the van.
As we were exchanging details i produced my passport to prove whom i was and a utility bill to show i lived where i said. We agreed that it was to cover my back as it was a major risk and i didn't have anything that proved whom or where they were.
This lad in the van was getting more and more annoyed. He got out of the van and started going on, stating what if the check bounces? i replied well what if the engine is stolen or knackerd? well if you had of told me it was going to be half and half i would of made you pick it up, i've been pi55ing about all day for you yadda yadda yadda.. I stress that the check won't bounce or be cancelled should the engine be ok and that i had offerd to pick it up but whomever i spoke to had declined.
Things were getting quite heated at this point and he got back in the van ready for off just as he was about to pull out of the drive he stops. me and my mechanic were just like stunned at his attitude and just how much of a prat this lad was. He then gets out of the van again and demands my mechanics address which my mechanic asks what do you need my address for it's nothing to do with me i just work on the car? It's to do with your mate and him (me)
He then has a complete paddy like a little boy and says right forget it and tells his mate (whom is supposed to own the engine) to give me the money back and proceeds to get in the van wheelspinning it back up the drive and fling's the engine back in the van! I'm just stunned by the arrogance and immaturity of this lad and ask him to calm down and stop being stupid. No just forget it if you want the engine come up with the cash and wheelspins off down the road?!?!?!
I have never met such a ars3 in my life, was i in the wrong to want to guard my money? If the engine had been knackerd at least i'd of had the gearbox and turbo to sell on to make my money back.
Needless to say i have changed my mind and am now going for a recon engine at least that has a guarantee!
[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 6:23:39 PM]
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Your writing style is extremely difficult to read, but it sounds like you were in the right (although it would have been better if you had negotiated this first). Maybe it was nicked or dodgy in some other way?
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Idiot,
Sounds like it was knicked to me,he just wanted his money and no questions asked.Hope he didnt drop it off at your home address,people like that hold a grudge[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Sounds like it was knicked to me,he just wanted his money and no questions asked.Hope he didnt drop it off at your home address,people like that hold a grudge[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
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I think it must of been dodgy! lets face it £1000 is not a small amount of money! It was at another house not mine he doesnt have my address as he gave me my recipt back.
Sorry if it hard to read dudes my engish is a little
[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 6:25:29 PM]
Sorry if it hard to read dudes my engish is a little
[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 6:25:29 PM]
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Unfortunately there are too many idiots like that about. At least you didn't lose anything. The engine could have come from anywhere.
There is a breaker in Nuneaton who specialise in Scoobs if that is any help. Their web address is http://www.midland-impreza.co.uk/
Neil.
There is a breaker in Nuneaton who specialise in Scoobs if that is any help. Their web address is http://www.midland-impreza.co.uk/
Neil.
Sorry to hear that Crypt, it does sound a bit dodgy, although I suspect it should have been possible to run an hpi (or similar, aa are much cheaper) check on the engine number to cover yourself against it being stolen.
Unfortunately whenever you buy something second hand you always run the risk of the seller (or associate) being an ejit.
Hopefully you'll get a replacement sorted soon.
Unfortunately whenever you buy something second hand you always run the risk of the seller (or associate) being an ejit.
Hopefully you'll get a replacement sorted soon.
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Cryptwalk-not doubting your honesty or your story but I wouldn't hand over something so valuable until the cheque had cleared-how does the other person know you won't bounce it,you're hardly likely to say it will when asked.Oncde again NOT doubting your integrity but as a seller you have to just as careful.
You're probably best spending a bit more and getting one from a trader and at least then you have some comeback if it all goes wrong.
You're probably best spending a bit more and getting one from a trader and at least then you have some comeback if it all goes wrong.
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crypt,
your writing style seems fine to me
what a to$$pot!if thats his attitude tell the c*(t to go and F*£) himself up the ar"e with it
With such a expensive piece of equipment you really want to hear it running before parting with your £1000's.
it sounded very dodgy from the start.
Its like a few weeks ago we went to look at a motocross bike (3 of us)My mate cant drive so i took him and my bro came along because he knows a lot about mx bikes.
got to the place (Liverpool)only to be greated by "How many of you does it take to look at a bike"!!!WTF...your supposed to be nice,your trying to sell the F*(£$ng thing.
We looked at it and it looked a bit dodgy ,we told the guy we wanted to hpi the numbers before buying it.He pushed past us and threw the bike in the garage locked the door and told us to F%$k off!!!!!!
Silly Ba£"ard!!! nice sales patter
2 days later the son of the owner phoned my mate and asked if he still wanted to buy it!!!My mate told him where to go
your writing style seems fine to me
what a to$$pot!if thats his attitude tell the c*(t to go and F*£) himself up the ar"e with it
With such a expensive piece of equipment you really want to hear it running before parting with your £1000's.
it sounded very dodgy from the start.
Its like a few weeks ago we went to look at a motocross bike (3 of us)My mate cant drive so i took him and my bro came along because he knows a lot about mx bikes.
got to the place (Liverpool)only to be greated by "How many of you does it take to look at a bike"!!!WTF...your supposed to be nice,your trying to sell the F*(£$ng thing.
We looked at it and it looked a bit dodgy ,we told the guy we wanted to hpi the numbers before buying it.He pushed past us and threw the bike in the garage locked the door and told us to F%$k off!!!!!!
Silly Ba£"ard!!! nice sales patter
2 days later the son of the owner phoned my mate and asked if he still wanted to buy it!!!My mate told him where to go
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Then again the same goes for the buyer. He was hardly likly to say oh it's stolen or it smokes it's ar53 off is he? It was very dodgy this engine wassent the property of the lad whom had the problem. It's all about trust and i'm straight with people. What other way would you of done the deal?
It wassent like he said right come up, have a listen to the engine running in the car if you want it i'll take it out.
The way i did it their was a risk on both sides. I had given him my address with a utility bill to prove i lived there. Even my passport was shown to prove my identity. There was no problem with it i'm a straight guy period and i'd like to think there are people left in this world whom are the same.
It wassent like he said right come up, have a listen to the engine running in the car if you want it i'll take it out.
The way i did it their was a risk on both sides. I had given him my address with a utility bill to prove i lived there. Even my passport was shown to prove my identity. There was no problem with it i'm a straight guy period and i'd like to think there are people left in this world whom are the same.
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Crypt - I agree that you shouldnt touch it with a barge pole, however, look at it from their point of view ...... you must have given them the clear indication that you WILL have it for £1000.
So, they get the engine out from wherever, drive (how many miles?) just to be told that you have now decided to give £500 with a £500 cheque post dated. I have to say that I wouldnt accept that offer - not if the geezer had said he'll have it!!
However, as I say, I reckon you are best out of it mate
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So, they get the engine out from wherever, drive (how many miles?) just to be told that you have now decided to give £500 with a £500 cheque post dated. I have to say that I wouldnt accept that offer - not if the geezer had said he'll have it!!
However, as I say, I reckon you are best out of it mate
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Fair point but i couldnt risk losing a grand. If I had gone to collect it having heard the car running beforehand, had a address and he not put sold as seen on the recipt i would of gave him the grand no problem.
However when they turn up in shagged out van an scribble a recipt out with a address which they could of just made up i'm a little suspicious. Imagine me trying to get my money back had it been knackerd! 
[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 7:41:30 PM]
However when they turn up in shagged out van an scribble a recipt out with a address which they could of just made up i'm a little suspicious.
Imagine me trying to get my money back had it been knackerd! [Edited by cryptwalk - 4/25/2002 7:41:30 PM]
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Crypt I wouldn't have bought it.I can understand you being cautious and wasn't defending the attitude of the sellers mate-I was just trying to be objective(not objectionable)and pointing out that buying/selling second hand goods is risky for both parties if you don't know each other.
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cryptwalk
Like everyone else has said, you're well out of it.
I agree that perhaps the change in contract should have been re-negotiated prior to the seller turning up with the goods.
However, it sounds to me that you would have been high and dry if you had had any problems with the engine after handing over your money.
Have a beer and a smile...
Rich
Like everyone else has said, you're well out of it.
I agree that perhaps the change in contract should have been re-negotiated prior to the seller turning up with the goods.
However, it sounds to me that you would have been high and dry if you had had any problems with the engine after handing over your money.
Have a beer and a smile...
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crypt,
He sounded like an ****. I would have told him to suck my dick, lick my ***** and eat my ***. Then again, i am generally a rude b@stard!
By the way, am looking to get my first scoob and wondering why so many have big end failure?? any answer?
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He sounded like an ****. I would have told him to suck my dick, lick my ***** and eat my ***. Then again, i am generally a rude b@stard!
By the way, am looking to get my first scoob and wondering why so many have big end failure?? any answer?
The beer idea is always a winner!
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Possibly floyd but then again maybe they could find another mug to rip off? I dunno mate either way i just know this lad had a attitude problem and i wassent going to take the risk. The trust was needed one both sides and he was unwilling to take the risk, such is life.
The trust was needed one both sides and he was unwilling to take the risk, such is life.
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Bks i was about a second away from taking him out i don't belive in small talk.
In answer to your question I really don't know it's a problem though no doubt.
Beer the answer to all lifes little problems.
In answer to your question I really don't know it's a problem though no doubt.Beer the answer to all lifes little problems.
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Crypt
The concerns you have about the condition of the unit are valid but so is the point about changing the terms of the deal on delivery.
Like you I'm straight with people had I arrived with an engine to be offered a post dated cheque I would have been worried. An address gives the option to put windows through, torch the motor or beat the living daylights out of the buyer. It doesn't ensure you get your £500!
You really needed to sort things before the gear arrived on the drive. But why didn't they didn't want it collected? Easier than humping the stuff around, and when the so called driver becomes arsey about the deal, it's time to walk away.
IMHO you're well out of that m8.
The concerns you have about the condition of the unit are valid but so is the point about changing the terms of the deal on delivery.
Like you I'm straight with people had I arrived with an engine to be offered a post dated cheque I would have been worried. An address gives the option to put windows through, torch the motor or beat the living daylights out of the buyer. It doesn't ensure you get your £500!
You really needed to sort things before the gear arrived on the drive. But why didn't they didn't want it collected? Easier than humping the stuff around, and when the so called driver becomes arsey about the deal, it's time to walk away.
IMHO you're well out of that m8.
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Dont good things go with good people?
If that was his attitude, then imagine what he would have done if you got the engine and there was a prob with it and phoned him!
Hope you get on the road soon m8
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If that was his attitude, then imagine what he would have done if you got the engine and there was a prob with it and phoned him!
Hope you get on the road soon m8
Cheers
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I personally wouldnt have taken a post dated cheque after youd agreed to pay the whole amount in cash. But then Id never accept a cheque and let the goods go before it had cleared unless I knew the customer well.
The fact that he knows who you are and where you live will not stop the cheque bouncing and as far as hes concerned he may have had as much trouble getting the extra £500 out of you as you seem to think youd have getting the cash back out of him had the engine been knackered!
If Id have driven a long way to deliver an engine and the buyer refused to pay the full amount as agreed then Id also be extremely pi55ed! You can hardly blame the bloke and the fact that you said youd pick up is irrelevent because it doesnt alter the fact that you changed the deal at the last minute without checking with them that it was ok first.
Sorry if thats not what you wanted to hear but look at it from their side, you are so quick to assume they are dodgy but your the one who wants to pay by cheque and take the goods immediately!!
[Edited by bren - 4/27/2002 9:50:54 AM]
The fact that he knows who you are and where you live will not stop the cheque bouncing and as far as hes concerned he may have had as much trouble getting the extra £500 out of you as you seem to think youd have getting the cash back out of him had the engine been knackered!
If Id have driven a long way to deliver an engine and the buyer refused to pay the full amount as agreed then Id also be extremely pi55ed! You can hardly blame the bloke and the fact that you said youd pick up is irrelevent because it doesnt alter the fact that you changed the deal at the last minute without checking with them that it was ok first.
Sorry if thats not what you wanted to hear but look at it from their side, you are so quick to assume they are dodgy but your the one who wants to pay by cheque and take the goods immediately!!
[Edited by bren - 4/27/2002 9:50:54 AM]