Oli89

Hi guys just thought I'd chuck a thread up here for some information and opinions.

Basically currently own a 200sx that's gonna be coming off the road for winter, so been eyeing up a turbo 2000 as a fun, cheap 4wd car. Simply put the turbo 2k works out a hell of slot cheaper than the other impreza models so really after some info on these cars.

So basically what kind of power can a standard engine put out? What kind of power will the drive train take? Any major issues? Most importantly I suppose is what kind of bang for buck can you get?

Say with my 200 is running 300bhp so I would be looking I imagine at 350-400bhp to give me similar smiles on my drives.

Cheers dudes!

muttleyturbo

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Having owned a turbo2000 before avoid the 97 and 98 models as they cannot be remapped without an aftermarket management as the stock ecu cannot be remapped currently unless you plan to spend money on that.

For 350-400 I would think you would need larger turbo and stronger engine internals (forged build)

I'd personally go for an import as 300bhp is easily achievable, start with the best base possible. Imports in my experience handle a lot better from stock and spec'd better from stock.

Oli89

Needs to be a uk model unfortunately due to insurance again that's one of the reasons I'm not going for a wrx for instance. I understan about needing more than likely turbo, injectors, remap (or aftermarket management) their most common upgrades.

More my point was, how will things such as engine, diffs, driveshafts etc take that level of power?

Cammy5106

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If you are wanting that sort of power you would prob be better buying a STi for a start.
You can get 260-280bhp on a UK 2000 Turbo without to much expense but if your wanting as much as 350-400bhp its going to cost you a arm and a leg..

Think standard mine was only about 215bhp give or take a few ponies but I was not after big power.

I have ordered loads of bits for mine for when I get back from offshore and its going to get remaped too looking for 270bhp with all the mods I have bought.

Samco induction pipe
Samco intake pipe
samco intercooler pipes
STI larger intercooler
Full decat with 3" exhaust
255 Walbro fuel pump
Forge turbo actuator
Prodrive ECU fitted by last owner but I will be remaping anyway so ignore this.

I am still thinking about what else to get for it before I get back and it has had a few bits done to it by last owner like the ECU and Air filter and handling kit and so on.

But I am hoping for around the 270bhp mark with a remap so fingers crossed..

muttleyturbo

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Surely a modded turbo2000 will be just as much to insure as an Import once all the mods are declared?

Cammy5106

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Yea agreed surely it would if you tell them that is

Oli89

Funnily enough it doesn't, my quote to change from my 300bhp to. Turbo 2k running (this was a guess) 270bhp with brakes coilovers etc was 300 quid a year more.

For an import it was 2700 more! Go figure.....that's standard aswell !

TonyBurns

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Welcome

Well your about to learn how bad classics are for modifying
Weak points....
Subaru Impreza Turbo 2000.
Strong points....
errrrmmm

Even with the later cars (MY99-00) and their "stronger" gearboxesm 300+ lbs of torque and your talking watch the box go at some point, most have done 80+k miles and these boxes do let go on standard power (though very rare), and if you want to upgrade to a PPG/Scooby clinic gearset, your looking at 4-5k and the PPG aint as strong as a 6 speed (which is cheaper than both the above).
Then you have the issue of the engine, its not strong, 330-350bhp tops and even then on an engine that old it could cause problems, a decent rebuild for the engine alone is 3.5k, thats minus turbo, ecu, fmic, brakes, clutch, gearbox, exhaust, injectors, induction/caik, wheels for the brakes to sit behind etc, its just not worth the effort when you can buy a new age STI for 5-6k and the next 2.5k-3k gets you 400bhp with no issues.

Its up to you but they are a bad choice for modding.

Tony

subaruian

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Hi welcome mate my t2000 will be up for sale in nxt couple of weeks it'd got fsh been looked after by neil at slowboyracing since I've owned it for last six years its running around 250 bhp its on 108k but when I got it it was 75k on clock so ain't bad for six years lol just had service etc new clutch 3 years ago I'm after 2k for her if you interested let me know

Ian

Btw it's a my00 with private plate worth 250

the hamster

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I'm running a UK2000 on an X reg (MY00) and have 337bhp/300lb/ft

This was done with a VF35 turbo, walbro pump, induction kit, front mount intercooler and sports cat exhaust system. The car was well cared for and the previous owner never did any diy himself, always went to Zen/Scoobyworld etc.

Cost me £1900 with tax and mot but prices have risen a tad on classics so budget £2-2500

Oli89

That sounds pretty good hampster. Tbh that kinda power levels I could live with quite happily and from the look of parts doesn't work out too expensive

Well from sounds of it I'll be looking into a turbo 2k soon. Hopefully should be buying in October since that's when my 200 will come off the road to hibernate

Cheers!

the hamster

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forgot to say, I have a VF35 turbo and ECUtek remap too which are £800 together.

Paul&bon

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Here's mine.
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-444...l#post10201443

Not trying to sell it to you but just to show you the mods to get to 300bhp.
The ecutek remap is £600 for the first time then £150 after that.
Injectors are 440's as standard and I have a VF30 turbo.

Good luck with your choices but it will be cheaper for you to get one modded already.

fastmike

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just one other point..... UK cars rust whereas JDM cars dont seem to

sonicvr6

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or get a jdm sti thats been regestered as a gl :P

Oli89

Hmm seems reasonable, agreed getting one someone has done all the hard work on is cheaper but on the other aide of things a monkey could have done it running ridiculous boost etc costing you more in the long run. Hopefully with a standard car it's been a bit more cared for.

MattyB1983

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My rear arches would disagree

f1_fan

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Sorry mate, but that generalisation just isn't true. It all depends on how they have been looked after and how long a JDM has been in the UK and whether it has been undersealed properly.

My UK T2000 has no rust and the rear arches are rock solid yet Tony Burns JDM has had arch work done (just using yours as an example Tony) so you can't really make that claim.

You just have to properly inspect whatever car you look at.

As for the rest of it do read Tony's post carefully. He speaks a lot of sense. You could put mods to get 300+ hp on your car and get away with it or you may be one of the unlucky ones which will mean a big bill.

mr terzo

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I have a 98 uk terzo running 326bhp 310ft/lbs torque. My car has a 196,000miles on the clock. It's been running these figures for over 64,000miles. I believe it has more to do with how the car is looked after. Regular servicing is the key. As said earlier you will need an aftermarket ecu. I use a apexi power fc, power enterprise 550cc injectors and a td05 turbo, fmic , exhaust and ramair induction kit.
My car gets used daily and is still running it's original engine and gearbox. Get driven hard at times but always warm it up and get the oil upto temp before giving a bootfull

MattyB1983

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You my friend are one of the lucky ones. For every one of you there are 10 others who haven't been quite so lucky.
The OP is looking for a UK classic running between 350 and 400, those in the know will know that this costs £££££, and lots of it for a reliable car. I'm afraid to say that pushing a classic to above 350 with standard internals and box will end in tears, 9 times out of ten anyway.
Personally, if your looking for a bit of fun for the winter months then forget the 350/400 figures. Buy a nice car with under 300bhp and a well setup chassis and braking system. That will provide lots of cheap smiles chap.

MattyB1983

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I will just add though,
When you've got a stripped down classic running 400 there is nothing else like it. It costs alot of monies (as I know from personal experience) but it all seems worth it somehow.

Terminator X

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Says the man looking for 400+

TX.

Edit - aarrgghh, you got your 2nd post in before me

Cammy5106

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Matty is right as near 300bhp is plenty of fun in a classic, like I said if I get close to the 300bhp with my stuff and still have a reliable car I will be over the moon..

ditchmyster

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A well set up 300bhp classic is a match for pretty much anything out there in the smiles department, and at £2k for a nice one no need to mod.

Just take your time and pick a good un preferably from someone off here in the know

JamieJerkovic

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I have a turbo 2000 for sale mate. Pm me if your intrested

Oli89

So would 2-2.5k be the right kind of budget for a tidy one off of here with an ok spec?

Any of you ever use them thru the snow as that's the main reason I'm after 4wd as I have been told even with winter tyres I won't be able to reach my workshop due to it being 10 miles of un-gritted country lanes

JamieJerkovic

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Mines on for 3k .. I paid a lot more than that for it like last year lol. Mines got fsh, 12 months mot, 6 months tax, 71k, ppp kit.. Full leathers very clean inside and out, well looked after! Rolling road 255bhp 246ftlbs torque. Full decat but I have them included in the sale. Sat on eibach pro springs basically brand new.