Classic to newage Sti - good idea?
21 August 2011, 10:15 PM
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Classic to newage Sti - good idea?
I have a UK turbo that i have owned for 6 years 80k on it. Following engine / suspension mods:-
VF28, remap, ported headers, exhaust, helix cutch / flywheel, sti 8 top mount. running 330 bhp / 328 torque
BC coilovers, sti rol bars, anti lift kit, polly bushes all round, alloy drop links.
looking to change to newage 05 plate sti with following mods:-
Prodive wheels, uprated exhaust / remap - same power as mine 330bhp.
Suspension standard.
Have not driven a newage since sold mine 6 years ago. Will car be as quick as classic, handles as good, as much fun. Is it a good move or a waste or money, just to get newer car? Thanks
VF28, remap, ported headers, exhaust, helix cutch / flywheel, sti 8 top mount. running 330 bhp / 328 torque
BC coilovers, sti rol bars, anti lift kit, polly bushes all round, alloy drop links.
looking to change to newage 05 plate sti with following mods:-
Prodive wheels, uprated exhaust / remap - same power as mine 330bhp.
Suspension standard.
Have not driven a newage since sold mine 6 years ago. Will car be as quick as classic, handles as good, as much fun. Is it a good move or a waste or money, just to get newer car? Thanks
21 August 2011, 10:32 PM
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Get out there and try one mate. I'm sure a std uk sti is probably slow as they're circa 265bhp? But something like a wr1 or newage with 330bhp is ok.
Personally I'd try and find a JDM 2.0 sti.
I've had various classics inc similar spec uk car to yours also an sti type r with 2.5 and 20g and I moved on to newage. I've got a bugeye sti JDM and it's impressive IMO. I haven't even felt the overwhelming need to hike the power either, it pulls like a train for a stock car.
Personally I'd try and find a JDM 2.0 sti.
I've had various classics inc similar spec uk car to yours also an sti type r with 2.5 and 20g and I moved on to newage. I've got a bugeye sti JDM and it's impressive IMO. I haven't even felt the overwhelming need to hike the power either, it pulls like a train for a stock car.
21 August 2011, 10:33 PM
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My 05 didnt feel as planted on the road with the standard suspension compared to the classic with all the white line gear. ( thats now been sorted )
The six speed box on the 05 has taken a bit getting used to for me as its the first time i have had one. Speed wise i have now had the 05 mapped up 355 bhp so it feels much like my classic did with 300 odd.
The six speed box on the 05 has taken a bit getting used to for me as its the first time i have had one. Speed wise i have now had the 05 mapped up 355 bhp so it feels much like my classic did with 300 odd.
22 August 2011, 12:58 AM
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I went the other way, Newage STI to Classic P1 and wouldn't go back. Stock ride is far better in a classic than a newage. I think the classic is more of a drivers car whereas the newage is good if you want a fast car that's still comfortable.
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Depends which model you go for, if you go for say an MY03 uk STI which is bog standard then your going to feel disappointed, if you go for an MY05 UK car then still disappointed with the power but better handilng, if you go for anything jdm from 2003 with a-dccd then your just going to be smiling all the time 
but an MY05 onward JDM would be the choice car to get even though they dont have the burble 
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but an MY05 onward JDM would be the choice car to get even though they dont have the burble Tony
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we have a classic and bug eye here.
My classic is 337bhp and puts a smile on my face. Its a drivers car and fun to drive.
The bug is modified with 18's, coilovers, decat system, panel filter etc and feels better built than the classic but its more of an all rounder like other lads say. We're getting it mapped on Thursday to give it a bit more fizz but its definately not as "raw" as a 300+ classic.
My classic is 337bhp and puts a smile on my face. Its a drivers car and fun to drive.
The bug is modified with 18's, coilovers, decat system, panel filter etc and feels better built than the classic but its more of an all rounder like other lads say. We're getting it mapped on Thursday to give it a bit more fizz but its definately not as "raw" as a 300+ classic.
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we have a classic and bug eye here.
My classic is 337bhp and puts a smile on my face. Its a drivers car and fun to drive.
The bug is modified with 18's, coilovers, decat system, panel filter etc and feels better built than the classic but its more of an all rounder like other lads say. We're getting it mapped on Thursday to give it a bit more fizz but its definately not as "unrefined" as a 300+ classic.
My classic is 337bhp and puts a smile on my face. Its a drivers car and fun to drive.
The bug is modified with 18's, coilovers, decat system, panel filter etc and feels better built than the classic but its more of an all rounder like other lads say. We're getting it mapped on Thursday to give it a bit more fizz but its definately not as "unrefined" as a 300+ classic.
Tony
22 August 2011, 08:18 PM
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I,ve gone from a MY 00 UK classic (Vf35 etc) which I owned for 5 years and was a great car, to a MY 05 Jdm Sti. Instant spool and a great drive although no exhaust burble. I,d recommend the newage, especially in Jdm form. I,ve had 5 classics and in my opinion the newage is the best all rounder. Steve.
22 August 2011, 09:03 PM
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First Love - Maroon/red std UK turbo 2000 
2nd up:
MY54 UK STi PPP 305bhp. Bought brand new. First time I drove it I got out shaking, and promptly put down a deposit
3rd:
V-Ltd STi
Next up:
V3 Type R STi
V3 STi Wagon
Presently still owned after 4 years
Next weekend car:
04 JDM STi Andy Forrest mapped 370/360 lots of handling goodies
Mad thought at this satge - give up Subarus altogether
This car was sold after 1 month's ownership... and replaced with this which is my current weekend goto:
97 V-Ltd Type R. New Age short motor, 331BHP lots of suspension goodies
Phew - it's shocking to me when all laid out, and I think I've still missed one or two
So, why sell the Tony Burns best scooby of all, the mighty JDM, indeed why sell any of the new age cars, and why end up with a Type R (this one really is for keeps)?
Put simply the new age cars, and the JDM being the epitome, for all their sheer engineering refinement and the JDM's magical brilliance, just does everything too well, leaving little or nothing for the driver to do
Of all the Scooby's owned the V3 Type R was no doubt hugely the most fun and the reason I've gone back to one, and indeed kept the classic wagon. The Type R (and my wagon) is a ball, and a smile maker every time. The new age car smiles were very short lived. They stayed parked up in the garage not being used. I get up at 5-30 Sunday mornings to go out in the Type R.
Overall you just wont have as much fun in a new age car on UK B-roads
Having said all that, a new age STi wagon would be good as an all rounder, but the Type R stays
HTH's
2nd up:
MY54 UK STi PPP 305bhp. Bought brand new. First time I drove it I got out shaking, and promptly put down a deposit
3rd:
V-Ltd STi
Next up:
V3 Type R STi
V3 STi Wagon
Presently still owned after 4 years
Next weekend car:
04 JDM STi Andy Forrest mapped 370/360 lots of handling goodies
Mad thought at this satge - give up Subarus altogether
This car was sold after 1 month's ownership... and replaced with this which is my current weekend goto:
97 V-Ltd Type R. New Age short motor, 331BHP lots of suspension goodies
Phew - it's shocking to me when all laid out, and I think I've still missed one or two
So, why sell the Tony Burns best scooby of all, the mighty JDM, indeed why sell any of the new age cars, and why end up with a Type R (this one really is for keeps)?
Put simply the new age cars, and the JDM being the epitome, for all their sheer engineering refinement and the JDM's magical brilliance, just does everything too well, leaving little or nothing for the driver to do
Of all the Scooby's owned the V3 Type R was no doubt hugely the most fun and the reason I've gone back to one, and indeed kept the classic wagon. The Type R (and my wagon) is a ball, and a smile maker every time. The new age car smiles were very short lived. They stayed parked up in the garage not being used. I get up at 5-30 Sunday mornings to go out in the Type R.
Overall you just wont have as much fun in a new age car on UK B-roads
Having said all that, a new age STi wagon would be good as an all rounder, but the Type R stays
HTH's
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22 August 2011, 10:50 PM
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i went from owning import wrx to a type r sti then to a jdm newage sti, after writing off what was my pride and joy owing me silly money, i went back to a classic and i can honestly say that the drive and feel is so different, i prefer the drive of a classic hands down, it wasnt through choice i got another classic but in a way im verry happy with the choice.
22 August 2011, 10:55 PM
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Classic with 330 will nuke a newage sti with same performance, so u will need to up the newage's power a bit otherwise you WILL feel disappointed. But the newages grip is in a different league. Standard handling as with all standard scoobs needs improving, but it is excellent in the newage out of the box. I had 2 classics (1 had 260 1 had 360) before my newage sti which has 330, I wouldnt go back unless the classic was special i.e 450bhp+
22 August 2011, 11:30 PM
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I'm gathering from this thread that it's very much personal preference and driving style. I have a classic sti wagon at the moment and probably looking to change for a classic or new age sometime early next year. Always thought the new age were better for some reason but this thread has opened my eyes! Would love a type-r or jdm sti v5 or v6, as mines '95 pre-facelift. Great info guys!
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Well im totally the opposite to Bonesetter, ive a v5 sti type R and an MY03 Spec C, the one that brings me the most smiles is the Spec C (take note that all the JDM's from 2005 drive very similar, just the spec c is lighter).
I mean ive owned 2 classics and 2 new age (abeit the newage were/are both Spec C's), an MY00 classic from new which was good, not outstanding, had plenty of grip, vague steering at times, needed more performance (eventually had the PPP fitted back in 2001 which improved things) the 17 inch prodrive pd7's, uprated brakes etc, and yes, it was fun I think I clocked up around 40k miles before selling her for the Spec C, yet even having both the Type R and Spec C (ok the type R is off the road at the moment), its still not great.
Dont get me wrong, back in 1999 when it came out it was a very very good car, some people call it "raw", no its not raw, raw is an ariel atom, its just unrefined, it feels unfinished, it just doesnt hit the spot, though its not bad
it still has the fast rack steering (only the limiteds/STI RA's had the quick rack standard upto 1999), and its not that precise.
Yes the dccd is fun but most of the time you dont touch it, if its wet you may move it forward a couple of notches, but thats it, it sounds good nice burble, drives and pulls well, yet its not a drivers car, though it may have once been, its outdated (even the Spec C is pushing its sell by date, but its still more fun than any classic )
The things that make people think classics are "raw" are these:-
It feels quick
It takes ALOT of concentration to drive (which tires you out)
It has alot of grip, it doesnt have the best handling (people get these 2 mixed up or think grip=handling, it doesnt).
The rattles make you know its not well built, a must in a "raw" car
The brakes suck, another thing "raw" cars must have
You want an enviroment that you sit in thats nice, comfortable (ish), be able to go out for a blast, come back in, have a cuppa, say "damn it im off out again for another blast", pop back to the petrol station and off you go, you cant in a classic, especially after you have prised your fingers off the steering wheel
If you want cheap fun (to buy, not to run ) then get a classic, they are still good cars, if you want out and out fun, get a new age JDM (MY05 onwards) though the MY03-04 cars are still very good
Bonesetter, was that 2003 v-limited one that Pete from Prosport imported?
Tony
I mean ive owned 2 classics and 2 new age (abeit the newage were/are both Spec C's), an MY00 classic from new which was good, not outstanding, had plenty of grip, vague steering at times, needed more performance (eventually had the PPP fitted back in 2001 which improved things
) the 17 inch prodrive pd7's, uprated brakes etc, and yes, it was fun I think I clocked up around 40k miles before selling her for the Spec C, yet even having both the Type R and Spec C (ok the type R is off the road at the moment), its still not great.Dont get me wrong, back in 1999 when it came out it was a very very good car, some people call it "raw", no its not raw, raw is an ariel atom, its just unrefined, it feels unfinished, it just doesnt hit the spot, though its not bad
it still has the fast rack steering (only the limiteds/STI RA's had the quick rack standard upto 1999), and its not that precise.Yes the dccd is fun
but most of the time you dont touch it, if its wet you may move it forward a couple of notches, but thats it, it sounds good nice burble, drives and pulls well, yet its not a drivers car, though it may have once been, its outdated (even the Spec C is pushing its sell by date, but its still more fun than any classic )The things that make people think classics are "raw" are these:-
It feels quick
It takes ALOT of concentration to drive (which tires you out)
It has alot of grip, it doesnt have the best handling (people get these 2 mixed up or think grip=handling, it doesnt).
The rattles make you know its not well built, a must in a "raw" car
The brakes suck, another thing "raw" cars must have
You want an enviroment that you sit in thats nice, comfortable (ish), be able to go out for a blast, come back in, have a cuppa, say "damn it im off out again for another blast", pop back to the petrol station and off you go, you cant in a classic, especially after you have prised your fingers off the steering wheel
If you want cheap fun (to buy, not to run
) then get a classic, they are still good cars, if you want out and out fun, get a new age JDM (MY05 onwards) though the MY03-04 cars are still very good Bonesetter, was that 2003 v-limited one that Pete from Prosport imported?
Tony
23 August 2011, 11:23 AM
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Or get a well modded classic that will blow your Spec C in to last week the OP is talking about a 330hp classic or 330hp newage, not standard vs standard Tony 
I've owned both too before you start
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the OP is talking about a 330hp classic or 330hp newage, not standard vs standard Tony I've owned both too before you start
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Edit - my Spec C as standard was RR'd at 294hp ... was yours modded to get 316
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23 August 2011, 02:28 PM
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23 August 2011, 09:06 PM
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I have never owned a classic but must say my05 jdm is superb just fit panel filter and exhaust and have a remap and an easy 340bhp with no noticeable lag, it doesn't even feel quick to drive it does the Job that well, but look at the speedo and you realise you are in licence losing territory. Try one and make your own mind up, maybe it's my age but If by a raw car you mean it feels quick and is more noisy and a handful to drive I will stick with my newage but jdm only for me