morpheus1870

Car: 2003 wrx sti uk PPP
Mods to add: walbro fuel pump & remap

How much should I expect to pay for an Ecutek remap, and want kind of power can I safely and reliably achieve with the current setup?

Would there be difference in cost between an on the road or rolling road remap and which is the better option?

JohnD

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Mapping costs vary from one mapper to another and if licenced or open source. Do a search online or through the traders section on this forum.
You should already have a Walbro pump as part of the PPP on an STi
An ideal mapping session would combine both rollers and road but certainly road conditions are more 'real life' but carry the slight risk of having to reach relatively high speeds for loading in the higher gears. Mobile mappers would obviously use the road.
A safe map along with a healthy engine and the Prodrive exhaust system should see you with 330-340
I'm sure a mapper or two will be along to advise you further.

JohnD

Carlh

EcuTek remaps are roughly 550 quid, though that includes license cost, so a second remap on an ecutek will only be about 250

There loads of mappers around. Dont go CHEAP - you will either end up remapping again which is of course more cost.

Go for someone locally if you can, that way, any issues, you can go back to them for tweaking.

PLEASE go to someone reputable, not just based on cost

EngineMapper @ Group B Motorsport

I do opensource mapping on these, £300 all in on the dyno near me if that helps. As said, the Prodrive cars usually don't produce 305bhp out the factory, more like 295, so 320-340 is a general goal on these as a good output to have.

Ecutek mappers charge £550+vat normally.

Graham

joz8968

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http://www.jollygreenmonster.com/newage.html

As EM above says, EcuTek £550 +VAT.

Can't go wrong with Simon - great mapper IMO. Travels to you, too...

morpheus1870

Is that for sure as I ordered one yesterday. I know the ppp comes with an uprated pump didn't know it was the walbro. Can anybody also confirm this.

morpheus1870

Think will stick a new pump in anyways, the original has been in there for some time, worth getting a new one for the sake of £70.

Cannon Fodder

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I believe the pump used at part of the PPP is uprated to around 190lph but definitely not 255lph, but with some of the recent quality issues with the Walbro pumps I wouldn't fit one of them either.

I know of at least 2 members local to me who have had their cars mapped with new Walbro 255lph pumps and they have had dangerously low fuel pressures, having spoken as well to a well known mapper he now recommends avoiding Walbro 255lph pumps like the plague.

dunx

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A rolling road is a good place to map a project car from scratch, but Simon (JGM) will come to you ( or Sheffield ) once he's finished his three week vacation...

Road mapping does the job, so many cars run fine on the dyno and then "det" on the road, IMHO.

dunx

morpheus1870

what would be a better equivalent model then rather than the walbro pump?

I have heard the Bosch ones are good, which one would you suggest?

morpheus1870

really! my previous sti's were all road mapped ecutek, never had an issue with them so maybe better of sticking with a road map and better pump. Thanks for the heads up dunx

Antony@indigo-gt

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We are doing Ecutek and a pump for £499 inc VAT

EngineMapper @ Group B Motorsport

I do both road and dyno. You have to use a bit of nouse when you map on the dyno to make sure you cover all bases, to be sure it can then be taken down the road and loaded to see if det persists. The problem with road mapping is you can't do a 5th/6th gear run all the way through unless you don't want your licence! Whereas you can on the dyno, which almost always shows up det that you wouldn't necessarily notice on the road because you never get to that sort of load.

Either way works, but in my opinion, regardless of method you need a very accurate way to tell improvements that are made. My bum cannot tell me I just made 2bhp more, but the dyno logger I use on the road and a chassis dyno does!

I offer the best of both worlds, happy to dyno tune it, then check it on the road for det just for piece of mind.

Graham

Cannon Fodder

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One of the RCM pumps is what I would suggest, but there are other alternatives as well like the Bosch units.

Alan Jeffery

As always, there's no accounting for some operators! We've seen some truly shocking "road mapping" going on.
As full time professional tuners, we use whatever means of data acquisition that are at our disposal, we happen to own our own dyno, so naturally, we use it!
I didn't think anybody charged £550 plus vat any more for Ecutek mapping at that level, although it's fair to say a full set up using Race Rom for the drive by wire cars has much more to it. We charge £500 INCLUDING vat, and as somebody said, beware cheap deals, especially from those who have only just started doing it.

juggers

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I've had a couple of cars mapped by Engine mapper and highly recommend him.
Why pay £200 more for Ecutek when you can have it done with open source which does the same thing.

morpheus1870

Sounds spot on mate, best of both worlds can't go wrong. Where are you based? PM Sent

leeturbo2000

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Fao Enginemapper if he/I were to get an open source map from you, if say after that a fmic was put on how much would you charge to "tweak it" compared to say JGM would we have to pay for a licence if we wanted to get it tweaked off someone else?( not saying we would but just curious as to later costs) CHEERS lee

Cannon Fodder

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Once an ECU has an Ecutek licence it is only paid once, after that you will only pay for the mappers time. So in theory you could transplant the ECU into another car and again only pay for a mappers time.

leeturbo2000

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Yeah but if its "open sourced" would the licence still have to be paid for else where?

juggers

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There is no license on open source it's free if you know how to map you can download it yourself and map your car.

Thats why it's cheaper, and the software is just as good as ecutek!!!

leeturbo2000

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I get that lol what im saying if I went to scoobyclinic , JGM etc(for a tweak cos something was added FMIC etc) after enginemapper has mapped it with open source would they tell me I need to pay for a licence or would it "overright" the licence?

s70rjw

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I've had both Ecutek and open source remaps.
Both do the job just fine in the hands of a reputable mapper.

53

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some would even say it was oddly similar

Cannon Fodder

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If your ECU has an Ecutek licence on it and it has an open source map written onto it then the Ecutek licence won't be removed. You could then later on take it to an Ecutek agent and have it mapped again with no licence charge.

HTH

leeturbo2000

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[QUOTE=Cannon Fodder;10168741]If your ECU has an Ecutek licence on it and it has an open source map written onto it then the Ecutek licence won't be removed. You could then later on take it to an Ecutek agent and have it mapped again with no licence charge.

HTH [/QUOTET

Thanks thats exactly what I was getting at lol was just curious really cos pay£300 to guy A then you go to guy B and its another £550 for another map! its not worth the 1st map, but yeah you cleared it up lol CHEERS LEE

Alan Jeffery

As a matter of interest, we map virtually every car with virtually every software and hardware system available. If you have a version 5/6 Impreza with stock ECU however, you can only map using Ecutek.

JohnD

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I was led to believe the PPP pump was indeed a Walbro. I've had at least 4 mapping sessions since my PPP days (2004) two of which were for engine modifications, and there have been no mention of fuel pressure issues. Currently lurking around the 400 mark.

JohnD

scatty

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scoobyworld have got an offer on there mapping at the moment....

the hamster

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Appologies for the hijack but......

My ecu has already been mapped by ZEN, MY00 with an ECUTek

Problem is, I need a map tweek as the engine has been replaced (for another standard my00 engine) and I want to drop from a Vpower map to run 95 RON as Vpower isnt available for 20 miles round here.

Can anyone do the map tweek or do I have to take it back to Zen?

I've emailed a few mappers but get no reply, its kinda doing my head in as I need to get an approximate cost for the work.

If anyone is interested in doing me a map tweek PM me details, I'm in Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire, LE13 1LS for all those mobile mappers. Cheers